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    i think a contrasting colour would be better.  I think you should go with the brown if the house is going to be cream at the front too.  If you were leaving it as the natural brick then cream would be good on the fence. 

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    Are you planning on painting the front fence? It seems to be the last obviously ugly bit in the front yard. Since you've got the for sale sign up already it might pay to fix up that fence earlier than later if you're doing it at all.

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    Thanks for replying, James.  I actually meant to reply to my own thread in case anyone else read it.  My accountant said you could by residential property as an IP without preventing yourself from getting FHOG in future, and this was backed up by the conveyancer I've been dealing with.

    I'm in NSW.  She sent me a link to the eligibility requirements.  I'd only seen a page on the federal site about it, which i recall as being a bit more vague about eligibility and which had left me thinking I wouldn't be eligible.

    http://www.osr.nsw.gov.au/pls/portal/url/page/osrhome/tax_prof/firsthome/fhogs#a2

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    Xenia & Marc,

    Thanks for the advice.  Regarding building inspectors I'd considered the conflict of interest.  Yes i'll find one myself then.  I don't think dummy bidders are very likely as the vendor is local government in this case.  I'm still in the process of doing due diligence to figure out what it's actually worth and if i can make money from it.  The agent's already told me they always sell these (government) properties at auction.  I'll ask for a copy of the contract of sale today.  Thanks again.

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    I didn't know either.  This webpage gave me an idea:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/australia/qld/cairns/200610/s1776530.htm

    Another site defined it something along the lines of "Buying and holding large blocks of predeveloped land in the path of progress".  I take that to mean that a strategy is to see which boundaries civilization is pushing and buy as much cheap land in that area as you can, then wait until it appreciates as the suburbs expand around your holdings.

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    Sounds like you are steaming ahead.  Keep up the posts and pictures.

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    Well, you could try explaining the situation to the tenant and see if you can do something for them in exchange for renegotiation to a shorter lease. If you offered to knock $30 per week off the rent for the 5 months that'll cost you around $650, and they get $120 of their bond back immediately (since you can hold max 4 weeks rent as bond – in nsw at least). You could offer to let them break lease on a weeks notice any time in that lease period without penalty, and contribute some amount of money towards moving expenses. If it costs you $1000 to get them out would the deal still be worth it? Of course you don't want to throw money out of a deal, but if it's still worthwhile even so… I'm sure someone more experienced could give you more options than i can think of.

    Is it possible to terminate a lease if you buy a property to reside in yourself?

    There's still the empty sink fund matter, of course. I don't think there's anything you can do with that other than take it or leave it.

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    KA010 wrote:
    There is tenant who will be residing in the property for 10 months and because of this I will have to pay $8450 in stamp duty where if he had only been there for 5 months and 29 days I would pay no stamp duty. I also did not read the disclosure statement of the body corporate, there is no $$ in the admin and sinking fund as he use to own the 6 units and has only just created a body corporate a couple of months ago.

    Is it possible that you could turn this deal around by getting the current tenant to negotiate on a new 5 month lease at a lesser rent? Or could you push the settlement date back further to make their vacancy fall within a workable time frame such that you can avoid stamp duty? I don't know under what terms stamp duty applies so this might not make a difference. Are you applying under first home owners grant, which i guess means you'd have to occupy within 6 months?

    It sounds like you've done some work getting this far and it would be a shame if there's no way to resurrect the deal.

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    blueheeler wrote:
    I do understand that but, ur using someone else's "money", not yours, someone elses . I cant see where you have lost out on this transaction, 60-40% ratio is pretty good.

    In the simplest possible terms, if I loan you $10 today and want it back in a week's time (next friday), would you rather:

    a) pay me $1 every day until friday (total $7), and then repay my $10 on friday
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    b) pay me nothing until friday, then pay me $20.

    If you picked shared equity finance then you just lost $3.

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    blueheeler wrote:
    Sorry if im confusing the subject but if the 20% deposit from Equity Finance Company is interest free then i see a great savings. This is not an expense it's a savings.


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    You're not being charged the loan interest on that 20% but when it comes time to sell you're going to pay 40% of your capital gains to the lender (40% is the cut adelaide bank wants of any capital gains, according to some googling). That's what elka was illustrating a few posts back.

    If you don't get any capital growth from your property then it essentially would be a free loan – you just pay back what they loaned. If your property increases in value by 100,000 then they get their principal plus 40,000

    Using Elka's example of a $255k house, 20% is 51k. If i borrow on a "normal" loan, and picking an average interest rate of 9% over 15 years I would pay $84k of interest over that 15 years. Suppose instead of borrowing that 20% from a traditional lender i get a shared equity loan.

    For the shared equity loan to work in my favour, 40% of my capital gains at the time i sell must be less than $84k – ie. in 15 years my property hasn't increased by more than $210k. If the property has increased by more than that then i would have been better off getting a normal loan rather than shared equity.

    In Elka's case the property is now worth $920k. That's $455k more than the property would have been worth if it had only increased in value by $210k – the bank is getting 40% of that $455k! I'd rather keep that extra $182k (40% of 455k) in my pocket.

    Someone pick me up if i've got my maths wrong here. :)

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    If it's the land you're after and not the house are you going to put in an offer now based only on land value (presumably with clauses that the council lets you tear down and rebuild an approved dwelling)? Sounds like this guy might need some money to cover his legal bills soon. That whole thing sounds like a big mess. I'm laughing as i type this :)

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    @wintertail: enlightening post – i'd wondered about doing something like this myself.  Seems like peril at every turn.  I rent at the moment and am thinking about looking for a 3 bed place (to buy) and renting out the remaining 2 rooms to offset repayments.  I haven't found a suitable place, but my eye's open.

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    Wish you were in sydney!  I'm inexperienced but keen, though i probably wouldn't feel comfortable dealing long distance with someone.  Sydney prices have been a bit crazy too at most of the auctions i've been to.

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    Are you going to apply for a owner builder licence or a normal builder's licence? I did a quick search for the normal permit and came up with:
    http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/building/builderstradespeople/building.html

    In NSW, 2 years "relevant industry experience experience" plus a tafe certificate or advanced diploma is required. I think a certificate 4 is half the school year to do (not sure about that).

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    Jase and Flic wrote:
    BUT….. I am a male and not naturally gifted in color selection, so quite open to advice!! My ideas have mostly come from looking at other modern looking houses and seeing what is popular in them. I am trying to do what is most popular, not what I personally like.

    I've been reading a book titled Emotional Design: Why we love (or hate) everyday things (Don Norman). It's quite an interesting read. One of the things it touches on is colour, although I am sure that there are texts that cover the points it makes in more depth. It mentions that childrens' playground equipment is often in highly saturated or primary colours (eg. bright reds and yellows) and that such colours appeal to something primal within us that is instinctively compelling, unlike the acquired tastes we all develop over the years. You could make use of that in your development – some bright red and yellow annuals in the front garden, perhaps during open inspections some bright (but tasteful) artwork hung in the living room which I assume will be otherwise coloured in safe, neutral colours. Maybe a small vase with some bright coloured flowers in the bathroom.

    There's probably a heap of reading about this sort of thing out there on the web, if you're interested in looking at the problem from a different perspective than safe & neutral. I don't have any links to share, unfortunately.

    Keep up the posts. I'm enjoying following your progress.

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    L.A Aussie wrote:
    I used to work in sales several years ago, and part of our training was to start with the most expensive product first and work down, so "selling up" is a normal sales strategy in all industries.

    Isn't this where the "rule of threes" comes into play? eg. show them something a bit slummy, something a bit expensive, then something about what they're looking for in quality and price and they'll overlook the shortcomings.

    I haven't worked in sales so I haven't got immediately applicable experience to draw from. I know from my days of working in a call centre doing tech support (thankfully long behind me) I was most inclined to help the customers who'd clearly tried to resolve things themselves and just explained the whole situation. Evasive or lazy customers were unlikely to find techs that would go out of their way to help them. I assume this is the case in a lot of industries.

    Perhaps Jon would comment about this point: I suspect that you are more inclined to hold the hand of first buyers or go a bit further to push a deal through for an investor if they have clearly tried, within their means, to make the deal work. A first buyer might not know all the ins and outs of buying property but they can still demonstrate that they've sunk time into working out what they can afford to buy. If I were the agent i think i'd be inclined to help those who help themselves.

    Relating to the original point, I think if you're dealing with an agent who is just trying to fulfill the role of intermediary they probably appreciate anything done that makes it easier for them to tie down a deal.  Naturally it all comes down to price in the end and a figure at least close to what you'll really pay probably helps.  (note my lack of expertise in this area – just some thoughts)

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    If you want somewhere online to host photos then I suggest http://www.flickr.com – it has a mix of photographers and "normal" people putting up their photo albums and stuff.  Free and easy to use.  It's the youtube of photos, if you want to look at it that way.

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    I'm in the IT industry and I enjoy the work i do more days than not. When I am financially free I will probably start an IT security consulting business and additionally spend more time indulging in my sport and computing-related hobbies.

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    Thanks for the feedback.  I've thought about looking at the 'gong too, but i'm starting at goulburn under the guidance of someone in the know.  Maybe i'll make a trip to wollongong (or perhaps even nowra) depending on how i go in goulburn.  Hopefully the situation isn't too dire in goulburn as far as water goes – got to be a reason for vendors to sell low so maybe temporary water shortages are a good thing.  Might be a big maybe :)

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    I hadn't heard of those shows.  Just thought I'd chime in and mention that you can find clips of them on youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=property+ladder&search=
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flip+this+house&search=

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