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HAHAHAH is banker trying to sell you a loan from the big four. <moderator: delete abuse>. when you say that there's not many creditable lenders out there that will beat NAB, ANZ or CBA on rates / fees etc. most non bank, credit union or building societies will beat any of the big four on rates, fees and everything else, which is the reason not one major bank won an award when the bank v non banks went head to head.
Aperry what factors are you speaking off. If its the fact that real estate experts keep talking about an undersupply in australia. Well in case you and all the other sheep dont realise, that is all propaganda to keep them in a job. In 2006 and 2007 they where saying the same thing in america and in uk. They where saying they have an undersupply of housing and need to double the amount of houses being built just to keep up with population growth, now they have an oversupply, how does that happen. its all propaganda to keep real estate people in jobs. if we have such an under supply then why is there around 10k properties in south east queensland vacant and unable to be sold. why is it the same in western australia and in outer sydney. we actually have an oversupply of housing and the price to earning ratio is way over the trend so tell me who is going to be buying houses if they can not afford to pay it. Come on guys stop being sheep and following the blind sheppard cause he will just guide you over the cliff. The only reasons prices didnt come down in 2008 like it was predicted wasnt the first home buyers grant but the introduction of the new laws governing international investors buying in australia. They came in and bought at any price, but now the government has cracked down on that and changed the laws again so there is noone left to buy.. i think 20% drop within 1-2 years then stagnate for 5-10 years until earnings to price come into trend.
If you can secure a good price on a property that will deliver good net yields then i mwould go for it but i would want to secure a price that is at least %20-30 discount because i beleive that is how much they will come down within the next few years. SO if u can secure that price and get a tennant in there for a few years paying a good rent then ull be laughing when most other investors will be crying.
I know ur not having a dig at me personally banker and im not taking it personally. I actually like this converstaion because i like to hear and read other peoples opinions.
I know that the majors have some loans that will be better at someting than non banks but what i dont agree with is when u say non banks and credit unions are all a rip off and everyone should stay away. I mean if CANNEX are giving awards to these guys when they where in direct competition with the banks then you have to achknowledge that non banks and credit unionS are a good and safe bet for anyone wanting a home loan and in most cases will offer better deals that the major banks.
Anyways enough of this topic. .. i have another question for you. What would be the best way to enter the mortgage brokering business. Im looking to get into that industry but i am unsure of which way or which broker to go to.
Thanks
Further more i find i really amusing that CANNEX have rated ratebusters loans and the best loans in the country but yet u say they are not. SO your saying that CANNEX doesnt know what they are talking about.
Here is just a few fees associated with commonwealth bank introductory rate loan. You have to dig a lit further if u want to find the exit fees. So your starting to see that all the majors charge the same fees as the non banks and in some cases more fees.
Rate Lock (only available on 1 Year Guaranteed Rate)
There is a $750 fee for each Rate Lock.
Establishment fee
The up-front establishment fee is $600.
Loan Service Fee
The monthly loan service fee is $8.
WARNING: This comparison rate is true only for the examples given and may not include all fees and charges. Different terms, fees or other loan amounts might result in a different comparison rate.
- Fees and charges associated with certain loan options that may or may not be used by the lender, such as early repayment or redraw fees
BANKER please stop it. Here is your NAB recommendation. This is just the early exit fees that u keep talking about that only exist with non banks. Well here is your NAB recommended loan and down the bottom this is what it says. Now you tell me is this not similar to the rate busters, mortgage house or any other non bank lloans. Please stop blowing hot air its creating a bubble and we know what happens with bubbles
1. Introductory Rate Home Loan is only available to new NAB home loan customers. Fee waiver applies to: one NAB credit card per customer (approval is subject to NAB's credit assessment criteria).
2. Additional prepayments above this amount during a fixed rate period may attract prepayment fees and economic costs. If you prepay the loan in full during the fixed rate period, a prepayment fee is payable and economic costs may also be payable. For NAB Introductory Rate Home Loans contracted between 24/4/06 and 22/10/06, the Early Exit Fee is payable if you repay the loan within three years of the settlement date. For loan contracts issued on or after 23 October 2006, the Early Exit Fee will be payable if the loan is repaid in full within four years of the settlement date.
Information current at 25/5/2009, subject to change.
Fees and charges are payable. Terms and conditions apply and are available on request from NAB
Banker you know that the only reason nonn banks stopped lending was because the wholesale lending stopped so they couldnt tap any money to finance and lend to customers and that the only reason the majors gave cheaper rates during the crisis was so they could get more of the market. In other words get them while they are down and then lift rates later once they are in. Right now they hold alot of the mortgage loans in their books so they are lifting rates at will and the customers just stay and take it because they are to afraid to venture out because of all the publicity and propagande being fead to them from the majors about the non banks and credit unions.
cannex awards for mortgages 2010mortage of the year: ratebusters
best lloan for first buyers: state custodiums
best loan for investors: professional mortgage providers
best new product: homestarEvery single one is non bank or credit union so how can you say majors offer better deals.
And im not sure about MH almost going broke. I know that the ceo was taken to court over some money owing to a former partner but it was all cleared from what i heard. Banker answer me this. If these non banks or credit unions are so bad then why did most of them get bought out by the majors during this GFC. They wouldnt buy something if it wasnt good. Come on if it wasnt for the non banks and credit unions the banks would be charging over %10 with early fees of $10000 at least/ Its thanks to the non banks and credit unions that banks are starting to become more honest.
why wouldnt the existing customers get the same as the new. all they have to do is refinance. …….Look ive looked over most the lenders rates and fees and i can see alot more non bank and credit unions offering better loans. most majors have higher rates and have some fees involved if u want all the spiks and speks that most non banks and credit unions offer. The majors rely on this scare tactics to lure customers into their loans. they state that non bank and credit unions are unsafe and untrustworthy but in the end you go to any property or finance magazine and they all say that credit union or non banks offer much better deals. Come on banker your name says it all. You work for a bank so ofcourse your going to blow their trumpet.
LOOOOL i can tell u work for a major bank. We all know that the only reason most of those non bank lenders stuffed up was because of the GFC. If ur talking about exit fees then just look at the major 4, if u want to see higher rates just look at the major 4. All u have to do is have a look at resi, Mortgage house and a few more to see how much better their deal are than the major 4. The problem is that the GFC caught everyone of guard and that includes the major 4. The major 4 where just lucky that they had australians hard earnedmoney in their accounts that they could use to bail themselves out of trouble or else they would be going down the same road and the non banks.
well then maybe its good time to go for a non bank lender. They always have better deals
Hey everyone.
Look anyone that says we arent heading for some really tuff times is only kidding themselves. Yes u can still find some bargains out there like catalyst did but they are far and few between. If u can find a bargain with good rent returns then take it, only an idiot wouldnt take it regardless of world conditions. Dont buy it expecting to make a profit on a quick resale because that wont happen for a while. Now its only a matter of yields. My mother bought a property 4 years ago on the gold coast and the price hasnt moved in 4 years. Now to top things off the tennants want to negotiate the rent so she is being forced to accpet less return even though interest rates are going up. She isnt in a good position and she isnt alone in this scenario. From my understanding is that the gold coast is going to suffer alot from an oversupply, lack of jobs and high prices. I remember when i first moved up to the gold coast in 2000. We had alot of people move up those first few years but 6 months after moving up they moved back to sydney or melbourne because they couldnt find good work. Some even purchased properties because it was so cheap compared to sydney or melbourne but in the end they where either forced to sell for a lower price or the bank repossed the properties and sold it at cost price. I know because a friend bought 2 or 3 from banks at low prices. I dont have any properties because by the time i earned enough to actually think about purchasing the prices where at all time highs so i hesitated now ive got alot more liquidity to play with so ill be looking for bargains when they come. Meanwhile im earning 6.51% ( UBANK) on my money.
speaking of rental subsidies and grants. What are the rental subsidies and grants on offer in each of the states of australia? Which state offers the better deal for investors? I heard that qld offers up to $10000 a year on subsidies for investments properties. Does anyone know how it actually works. Thanks
is this just an iphone application. I just hate anything apple so was looking to get a samsung or lg smart phone which also has apps but wanted to know if this was available for it as well. I might just have to bite the bullet and get myself a monopolised apple product
hey dwolf.
Yeah the reason i didnt buy in 2001 was because i was young and stupid because if i had bought in gold coast back then it would be worth almost 2.5x what i would have paid and the rent would have been more than enough for me to purvhase another one. Not to worry ive learnt alot in the last 10years and i am hoping to begin my property investing very soon. Im cashed up now and just hanging for the right property.
hey hschmid yeah ive seen alot of those stories in the last year. I actually know a few developers who have gone belly up because they couldnt sell their properties and the banks came knocking and some of those apartments are still available for sale. Do you invest urself schmid or just recruit and market other companies. Who are u recruiting for right now.
Im currently in the building industry and i can see what is going on in the developers minds. They simply arent building because they arent selling. in 2009 and early 2010 most of the people buying where foreign investors who would pay anything for a house but now the government has put laws in place to stop them from over paying and shutting australians out of the market. The effect of this is not many people are buying now because australians cant afford to buy. What alot of people dont realise is that the building industry employes a huge amount of the australian workforce, either through direct jobs in the construction phase or inderect jobs like retail, real estate, banking, mining etc etc. So we can expect unemployment to increase over the next year. Look at gold coast. I lied there for 10 years and was in the construction industry there during the boom, now its dead and about %50 of the population are struggling to pay bills because of it. They didnt deversify into other industries and now alot of people are suffering. I saw a property for sale just last week for $550k negotiable that 2 -3 years ago sold for $850k of the plan. thats all ready around %30 drop so anyone that thinks property prices wont fall are just being delusional
LOOOOL what i see here is investors who purchased properties in the last 10 years. The last 10 years have been unprecedented, they will not happen again for another 20 yers or more. The reason for this is because prices of properties compared to peoples earnings are almost double what they should be so people can not afford to buy. Further more if people arent buying then developers arent building thus a huge proportion of the working class will not have funds to support themselves so how will they be able to buy property. The government will not be introducing any more housing stimulus because their objective now is to bring the housing prices to a realistic level. Another factor is immigration has just been cut to 1/3 of the previous lvls so that around 200k less people entering australia and less properties needed. Everything is pointing to a downturn so anyone who thnks otherwise are just making the same mistakes that stock market investors made when all the signs where there in 2006-07 that the market would crash but still thought it would keep going up. I dont bleive prices will come down %40 but i do beleive they will come down around %20 and then stagnate for a few more years until the earnings to price ratio lvl out to an affordable lvl. If i had bought property in the last 2-3 years i would sell now and place my money into a term deposit for 2-3 years but if i had bought 7-8 years ago i would hold it becauase more than likely ur all ready in positive guearing and u can afford to sit and wait.
Hey Greg Reid. i think your model of a service fee upfront and then a refund on the commission is a really good strategy, this way the client and urself make money and no one losses. the problem is that banks might start to not offer the upfront commission and then the client will suffer but none the less i think your model is really good.
hey mortgage detective if bank ceo's didnt get paid millions of $ in bonuses then they could make the interest loans cheaper nd the borrower would get better deal. Your argument is tottally thoughtless. Without the commissions brokers get there would be no brokers thus there would be no better deal for borrowers. If tradesman didnt get paid for doing a service then the cost of building a house would be much cheaper thus the borrower would benefit. Can you see how ridicullus your argument is. The bottom line is brokers do a great job and are very important in keeping banks honest and allowing smaller banks or credit unions to make money also and not just have 4 players in the market where thus they can manipulate the rates they charge us. Brokers will never fade or die because consumers and lenders need them.