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- Mortgage Hunter wrote:
this is the DANGER of using one loan and mingling deductible and nondeductible debt!. At the very least you should have had splits to clearly delineate the two amounts.
The only thing you can do is to sell the IP – pay down the debt and start again using a fresh NEW loan. You can sell the IP to a spouse or a trust but it will incur stamp duty.
there is no easy way out of this situation.
Just out of curiosity Simon is it not possible to renegotiate the loan at this stage into a split loan in the proportion that it was actually used. You can then concentrate on paying down the non deductible debt and if that inheritance eventuates you can just pay down the home loan.
Paying stamp duty again is a pretty hefty price to pay at this stage I think.
Thanks
Elka
Well it certainly follows your motto Steve
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Remember that success comes from doing things differently.**********
I just hope for them that it's removable.
Hello Browny
Unless you're in wiggles position (i.e. close at hand and a handyman) you normally give your PM permission for repairs up to an agreed on amount. Anything above that they need to contact you.
The exception to this is if it's something urgent or dangerous. If the toilet is flooding or the electricity has fallen out or something then he will get it fixed at once and normally tell you later.
Do you have an agreement with your PM about repairs?
Hope this helps
Elkawriggles wrote:The only reason i thought of selling the F'ston south home because like i said we would be mortage free. We could live off my wifes wage easily and be able to bank $1000 (my wage) a week in savings to do something else in 6 months to a year.
Hard decision, but i can see your points as well.
Could we still borrow against out home in Frankston south even though we borrowed against it for the invest property in frankston?You can burrow up to 80% of the house valuation. i.e. $368K – $160K ( current loan).
Whether you should is of cause another question.
Good luck
ElkaOr better still put all of it into a 100% offset account against your loan and just pay the mortgage out of this offset account.
You can stay home with your baby for as long as you like.
All the profit from your IP sale will be being used to reduce the interest on your house loan.
You retain the flexibility to use this profit later to buy another PPOR and all the current loan becomes tax deductible when your current home becomes an IP (as discussed in your other thread).Good luck
ElkaHello Breammaster
I'm not sure why none of the MB's on the site, who are usually really helpful, have answered you so I'm going to have a bash. Please remember that I am not a MB.
Actually I think you can probably do it both ways though they are not equally good in my opinion.1. Take out a loan for $300K with the security being both your home and the IP. This is called cross colateralisation and is not the best method as it ties up both your properties on the loan. Also, as this would be a 100% loan I don't know if LMI applies even though you have enough security.
2. Take out a LOC against your home of $60,000 and then a loan of $240K against the IP
3. Increase the loan on your home by $60,000 making sure that you use a split loan facility so the interest on the additional amount is easily identifiable as this will be tax deductible as it's for an IP. Then you take out a loan for $240k against the IP.
I think the last method would be the cheapest as I believe the interest rate on a LOC is higher than the interest rate on a residential loan.
I think if you use a savvy MB they will be able to offer you professional advise and it should be free. There are several on the forum that are investors if you don't know one.
If I'm wrong will someone please correct this.
Hope this helps
Elkasienna1 wrote:at the end of the day after rent comes in and after tax reduction etc we will be required to pay roughly an extra $60 to $100 per week which we will take from the investment loan for $65k which will then be about $25k and if all goes right after about 4 years rent should have increase to take over the payments and also we should have another 4-5 investment properties all generating income.
Hello Sienna
I don't want to add to the negativity but really have to ask you this.
Do you really believe that the rent on your residential IP will go up by $60 -100 per week over a 4 year period? Maybe in a boom town but I have never seen such an increase without a renovation in that time period.
I also got lost as to how you were planning to finance the other 4 – 5 investment properties over this time period and why you believe they would be generating income when your first IP is negatively geared.
I'm not trying to shoot you down. I just really want to know.Cheers
ElkaHello jaybean
I live overseas in an appartment house where one of the owners received permission to use an area that was roof space. He turned it into a very nice room.
I don't know the legal procedure but can tell you that the process he used was to put it on the agenda for the next body corporate meeting and present his case. The reason that everyone voted yes was that he was the only one who could profit from this space. No one else had access to it so why deny him.
You may have a chance. Your advantage is that your in a small block so you only have 3 other owners to persuade. Maybe you can get some professional advice to address the issues raised by crashy (fire safety,noise) and then get together a good presentation.
Maybe speak to the owner of the other top floor unit first. He may be interested in doing the same thing, if not now then in the future, in which case you will already have 1 vote.
Good luck
ElkaHello pasandbec
If you do decide to sell then put the profits into an offset account coupled to your PPOR loan, not into the loan itself.
If you then use the money in the offset account to buy a new PPOR and turn the current PPOR into an IP then all the interest on the loan will be tax deductible.
If you pay down the loan and then redraw to finance the new PPOR then the interest on the redrawn amount will not be tax deductible as it will have been used for private purposes.Hope this helps
ElkaHello robster
I found it strange that no one responded so I thought I would.
Just in case you didn't go to look at the site recommended by scullyman in the thread "Any good spread sheets out there?", I thought I'd post it for you again in your thread.
http://www.sourcewealth.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=46
As scully said, you do have to register but it's free and in the tools section you will find a spreadsheet called Cashflow analysis tool which has a very detailed renovations spreadsheet as part of it.
Hope this helps
ElkaCongratulations Linda. Which was your story?
So which story won. I just checked Amandas site but couldn't find any results posted.
Elka
Hello John
On reading the original post by websearch1161 it seems that he used his PPOR as security for the loan. He did own this house outright but now has an 80% LVR loan on it which was used to finance the IP within his super fund.
Can you explain a little more about transition to retirement pensions please.
What can you take out, for how long and what are the tax implications?Thank you
ElkaHello forgetful
I don't know which example you are using. I have 2 of Steves' 3 books but not the last one yet so without actually knowing the details of this example I will try to explain.
Knowing that Steve mostly buys cash flow positive investments he did not have to pay out the $1000 per month that you used as extra savings into that mythical bank account. By this I mean that the rent from the house was greater than all the expenses including mortgage repayments.
Put another way, his out of pocket costs were probably zero per month while yours, in your comparison, are $1000 per month.
Therefore a more accurate comparison is
Lets say Steve put in the 20% deposit, had no monthly costs and sold to make a nice profit of $72679 5 years later.
You put the same amount into a bank account, had no monthly additions, earned 6.5% interest (let's be generous) how much did you end up with after 5 years?
Even if a property is negatively geared (i.e not self supporting) you can still make a profit. The trick is to find a property that will appreciate faster than the out of pocket holding costs.
Don't forget, not all property automatically makes money. The trick in investing is to find the ones that will.
Can you please tell me what the outgoing rent ($43316) is in your post? I got lost there.
Hope this helps more than it confuses
Elka
Hello Crystal
Good luck. I would love to know the outcome so please post it.
Elka
Hello RichLee
If you have a trust it makes sense to set up an account in the name of the trustee. I have a company as the trustee so that's the name on the account. The type of account is up to you. If you have an offset account linked to your mortgage then this seems like a good place to have the rent deposited into otherwise the best interest you can get.. Keep your personal accounts separate from your IP accounts Makes life much easier specially at tax time.
The tenant pays the rent to the property managers office and then they transfer it to your nominated account each month. This way they keep track of the incoming rent. The PM should deposit it into your account as soon as they get it ( not once a month at the end or something ) and send you a statement. You can ask them to pay things like council rates, water, property insurance, landlords insurance etc. out of the rent. All these will show on your statements. In Melb. this is all part of the service. I don't know in other places so ask if this costs extra.
Good luck with your first IP.
Elka
Hello Gen
Thank you. Will do.
Cheers
ElkaHello Linda
Thank you for your offer but my time frame does not allow for the time it would take to get it this way.
regards
ElkaHello Cresta76
This is a small addition to my previous post.
If you decide to increase the mortgage on your old PPOR to clear the personal loan then make sure you do it as a split loan to keep the personal debt separate from your IP debt. At the same time organise a 100% offset account linked to the personal debt part of the loan and put all your wages and rental income into this account.. You can then use this as your working account paying all expenses, both personal and investment, from here. This will save you lots of non deductible interest and help you get rid of this loan much quicker.
If you don't understand this then maybe you should use a MB to set it up for you correctly. If you don't know one who puts your interests before his own then there are a few on this forum who may be able to help you.
Hope this helps
ElkaGreat improvements. Love the new features and the look of the site. Love the spell check.
One suggestion.
I wonder whether it is possible to limit the use of an avatar to one member only .
I have no idea how difficult or possible it is technically but maybe you could remove it from the list offered as soon as someone uses it.I seem to be seeing 3 Steves and at one stage 2 Qlds007.
Elka
Hello Ken
Seems to me that buying the next property as your PPOR is the smart way to go exactly for the reasons you've mentioned. Sounds like a good strategy to me while it lasts.
The only thing to watch is I don't how many of these "buy PPOR, reno and sell" houses the ATO will allow you to do before they decide that your running a business doing this and tax you accordingly. I guess your accountant will have a better idea of this.
Hope this helps
Elka