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    Hello DraconisV

    You are certainly determined to understand all this before you get to the stage of buying aren't you. Good on you.

    Basically your example is:-

    1. Buy PPOR                (and live in it long enough to establish it as your PPOR)
    2. Move out and use it as IP while renting or living with parents (i.e. not buying another PPOR)
    3. Sell it 5 years later and buy another PPOR. 

    In this case your first PPOR would be CGT free based on the 6 year rule which says that you can rent out your PPOR for up to 6 years without effecting it's CGT free status. If you sold after 6 years then you would be proportionally liable for CGT as per the formula in the post above.

    However, in your situation, if the 6 years were nearly up, you could move back into your PPOR for awhile (I don't know the minimum) and then the 6 years would start again.  

    As far as your second question is concerned, here is a link to a thread where the calculation for CGT was well explained by Jefftheunit

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/general-property/4320795?highlight=depreciation#comment-154254

    The incidentals of purchase and incidentals of sale in his post are the buying and selling costs.

    Hope this helps

    Elka

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    Hello Show me the money.

    Do you know a lender who allows a 100% offset account with a 3 year fixed loan?. If so, I am interested to know which one.

    Thanks
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    Thank you both for your responses. I have emailed my builder as per your suggestion crashy and will see what he thinks.

    Cheers

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    Hello pasandbec

    All selling costs, including the ones you mentioned, are deducted from the sale price for CG calculation.

    If you lived in the property as your PPOR for the first year and then rented it out for 4 years then the calculation of taxable CG would look  something like this:-

         CG (over the 5 years) X 4/5        except that the ATO calculates it in days and not years as here.

    You would then get the 50% discount.

    However, there are some things to remember.

    The difference between what you paid for the house and the sale price is not the CG. It's a much more complex calculation and takes into account both the buying costs (including stamp duty) and selling costs as well as depreciation.

    A very important thing is… when did you buy your new PPOR. For example if you rented for a year before you bought then you would still count the first house as your PPOR in that year and the calculation would then be CG X 3 / 5.

    The other thing is I believe you can choose which place to treat as your PPOR. It may be that you had great CG on your first PPOR but less on your current one. Or you intend to live in your current one for a very long time. In both those cases it may be worth while to treat your first house as your PPOR for the whole time and so pay no CGT. Of cause this has disadvantages for your current PPOR so you really need to discuss all this fully with a good accountant.

    Hope this helps 
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    Hello Paul

    How far along is construction? Are you quoting finished product when you value it at $500K ?
    Is it possible to value it quickly in it's "as is" status to reduce the SD liability?

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    Hello Martin

    I'm in the same situation as you are in as much as I am currently renovating 2 places long distance. It's very frustrating having to pay for things that you would be able to do yourself if you were there. However the most important thing is to have people you trust to do the job for you.

    Have you only had one quote done? I must say it seems pretty rich to me. If you like I can PM you the name, telephone number and email address of a builder who I believe is honest and has been doing some of the work for me. It's worth getting a quote from him I think.

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    Hello

    It looks like no one knows the answer to this. Why dont you ring up the city council of the area you are interested in and just ask…. then post it here for us please.

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    Hello sjordan

    I don't know which state you are in but here is a link with the addresses of all the state revenue offices.
     
    You might like to read about stamp duty and land tax. Please note that your home (PPOR = primary place of residence) is land tax excempt.

    http://www.ato.gov.au/corporate/content.asp?doc=/content/8792.htm

    This page is on the Aust. tax office site which is definately a good source of information.

    These are two reasons why the RIA (justly) complains about the taxes on property.
     
    The other two are GST ( goods and services tax. I think like your VAT?)
     and CGT (capital gains tax) which, although not land/property specific, certainly effect the price of properties. You can read about them on the ATO site

    However, council rates are reasonable and are used to pay for things like parks and facilities within parks, infrastructure repairs, drainage repairs and improvements, rubbish collection etc.

    Hope this helps 
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    Sorry, DraconisV,  I don't know if it's possible to charge more than one months rent but if I had to guess I would say no (at least in Vict.). I've never had an agent ask if I wanted a bigger bond from a tenant.  

    I just looked up the REIV leasing and managing authority document and it gives two options for bond. 1 month and other …  but I'm guessing the other is for less.

    Your best protection is:-

    1.  An excellent PM
    2. Good landlords insurance.

    Cheers

    Elka

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    Hello whyalla

    $1500 ???? You've allowed it to slide too long and now it's an amount that may be a problem for the tenants to pay in one go.
     
    Maybe get your PM to send them a last reminder together with what the consequences are of being in breach of the lease. You may like to offer them the option of paying it off in instalements. i.e 3 X $500 if you think they may need it.

    I would also have a serious talk with your PM if I were you. If you can't get better management then change.

    I assume you hold one months rent as bond but who wants to have to go that route. 

    Good luck
    Elka

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    Hello Jade

    May I ask why do you specifically want to deduct it from the rent? As it's in the lease, they are liable. Get your PM to send them a copy of the water bill with a "please pay" next to the water consumption amount. The PM could even include a copy of the relevant section of the lease, just as a reminder.
    Or have they refused to pay? If so they are in breach just as if they had had not paid the rent or part of the rent, surely.

    It's orgaised better in Melb. I get the service bill and the tenant gets the usage bill directly. No hassles.

    Hello DraconisV

    Gas and electricity are different. The tenant gets these utilities connected and disconnected and receives the bills directly. Nothing to do with the landlord.

    A far as breaking water restrictions, I don't know for sure but would imagine it's a case of "he who sins, pays". i.e the tenant if they get caught will get the fine directly.

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    Hello MArcus10

    Nice problem to have.  

    Your PPOR debt is certainly the killer as I guess you are paying out around $4K per month on it and none of it is tax deductible. Of cause an option you haven't mentioned would be to move out of your home and rent much cheaper elsewhere in which case you would not only have the rent to help pay the mortgage but all expenses would be tax deductible including interest and depreciation. Doing this for up to 6 years would still keep it CGT free.

    However, I don't know your situation, age, kids etc. and that's a very emotional decision which only you can make.

    However, looking at the question you asked I don't think it's primarily a matter of looking at "what should I sell which reduces the most debt". What I mean is that it's not just a numbers game.

    I think it would be a case of going back to the reasons you bought the property in the first place and then seeing if it has performed as expected and what you believe it's going to do in the future. Then dispose of the ones that have not performed or have reached their full potential for the forseeable future.

    What was the purpose of the land. Were you going to build for investment? If so, is it no longer profitable?

    By my calculation if you sell the land you can clear most of your PPOR debt though the CGT bill will be hefty I assume.
     ( It may be worth your while getting some advice about both of you making a tax deductible contribution to your super to reduce your tax bill. Better in super than in the govt. coffers. It depends on your other income of cause.)

    I assume IP3 is your latest buy. Is the reason you bought it no longer valid?

    Unless you see no future in IP1 and IP2 any more why would you sell these?. Do you no longer see capital growth in the properties?  If you've reduced your monthly PPOR mortgage repayments to about $1K – $1.5K then $300/mnth to carry the properties should not be a problem. I really don't see any reason to sell those except underperformance. If you sell the blocks of land you will have enough equity in your PPOR to borrow aginst it for further investing anyway. 

    Just my thoughts
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    Hello C2

    Are Changing places real estate the people you are looking for?

    http://www.changingplaces.com.au/

    Hope this helps
    Elka

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    Hello Chris

    Also something to consider in your calculations is that if you turn your PPOR into an IP rather than sell it, you can rent it out for up to 6 years (as long as you are renting and haven't bought another PPOR) and it still maintains it's CGT free status. You can even move back in before the 6 years are up and then move back out and start another 6 year period.
     
    If you decide to go the route of pulling equity out of your PPOR for deposits on other IPs (irrespective of whether you move out and make it an IP or not) go to a good MB who will help you set up all loans so that they are all stand alone. Also one who is savvy about property investing may be able to advise you on structures (trusts etc) or in whose name to buy the IP's.

    Good luck
    Elka

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    Hello black tulip

    Here are a couple of sites you can brows and a book to read. There is not much around about commercial property investing.

    http://his-best.biz/

    http://www.propertyupdate.com.au/articles/49/1/Residential-Or-Commercial—Which-is-right-for-you%3F

    The book is called "How investing in commercial property really works" by Martin Roth and Chris Lang which is worth a read.  

    However I would think that buying the property for your own business would be a whole different thing. For one thing you would know your own requirements as far as size, vacilities and location was concerned and for another you wouldn't have to worry about the property being vacant for a long time. 

    Hope this helps
    Elka 

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    Hello simpsd

    Yes definately get a depreciation schedule done. With a new place the deductions will be considerable.

    While your renting it out all expenses will be tax deductible including interest on loan, insurances, rates, water, management fees etc.

    Make sure you take out landlords insurance also.

    If you come back to your home before 6 years are up, it will stay CGT free.

    Have fun in London
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    Hello Troy and jc1979

    Some of the costs of buying an IP are tax deductible over a period of 5 years and some just form part of the cost base for calculating the capital gain if you sell. This is not dependent on the state you live in as it's an ATO ruling.

    Acquisition costs form part of the cost base but borrowing costs are deductible over a five year period or the term of the loan, whichever is shorter.

    Here is a link to the ATO site about this topic

    http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/66031.htm&page=8&H8

    Hope this helps
    Elka

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    Hello Jeff

    Good that you've shared that as there have been people on the forum who have asked advice about "pretending" a place was their PPOR while they renovated it without actually living there. No flies on the ATO unfortunately.
     
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    Hello jc1979

    I think your friend misunderstood his accountant.

    Alternatively, it could be a case of broken telephone. You know, it's that game where you sit around in a circle and someone whispers a sentence into the ear of the person next to them who then repeats it to the person next to them and so forth until you get to the person who originated the sentence. The fun part is hearing the original sentence and then hearing what it has become. 

    But to get to your question. To avoid paying CGT you need to

    a) not currently own your own home
    b) buy a property which you intend to have as an IP
    c) move into it before you rent it out and establish it as you PPOR (home)

    Then you can move out and rent it for up to 6 years without having to pay CGT if you sell. 
    This will only work if you do not buy another property as your PPOR for that period.

    What is sweeter is that if you move back into the property within the 6 year period then move out and rent it, the six years starts again.

    I'm not an accountant so your friend should go back to his for clarification, just to be on the safe side.

    Hope this helps  
    Elka

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    Hello Seanmig

    The CG on which you will be tax will be calculated by first working out the CG over the 10 years and then only charging for the percentage of time it was rented. .i.e. 3/10th of the total CG over the 10 years. You will of cause get the 50% discount.

    However, if after turning your PPOR into an IP you have not declared another place as your PPOR it can even be totally CGT free.

    If your not averse to a little reading the ATO site is very informative.
    Here is a link to a good place to start.

    http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/36883.htm

    Naturally you should speak to your accountant too.

    Hope this helps
    Elka

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