so you are an interest and principle person. I thought I was a dying breed. Although the “smart money” argues for interest only — and I do understand the logic behind this concept — I also like the idea of owning, (even if slowly) an increasing share of my property.
Hi,
Razor Ray’s initial question concerned the advantages in setting up a trust. Although the replies have been interesting, I felt some detail was missing.[blush2]
Are trusts always the optimal solution? Are there any negatives associated with trusts. I have heard about hybrid trusts — what are they?[worried]
This afternoon I ordered Dale Gatherum Goss’s publication on trusts and will purchase a copy of Nick Renton’s book. But in the interim I really would welcome some tales from the trenches in terms of your experience with trusts. Are they worth it. Have they proved tax effective. Any and all thoughts would be welcome.
thanks Jet Dollars — API magazine is great. Look forward to reading each issue.
Boyler Room — I read Steve’s newsletter and also Michael Yardney’s. Both are informative. Thanks for the tip regarding your newsletter. Will subscribe ASAP.
C’mon everyone[sleepyanim]. There must be many more practical newsletters out there.[blink].
Hi,
first of all you need to select an area rather than attempt to cover all Australia.[blink] Visit this location and get to know prices (in other words, what represents value for money in your price range). Then speak to all the agents — identify one or two who you believe will work in with your requirements — not flog any property, but meet your clear specifications (as detailed as possible). [biggrin] Let the agent know you are a serious buyer and that you might make a number of purchases in a short time.
Make sure you spend as much time as possible on the web understanding the market. See if any of the agents in the area have a newsletter — often a useful way of keeping up to date. Before you fly interstate ask the agent to send you photos of the property (interior and exterior, especially kitchen and bathroom), rent history and recent sales data on the area. Check out council plans for the area etc.
If the agent does attempt to sell you unsuitable properties,[baaa] move on to the next one until you find someone who understands and supports your needs.[thumbsupanim]. Above all it is you who must manage the process. [rambo2]
Hi Bennido,
I know I will be shot for making this statement — but I believe in a social conscious — making money is not the be all and end all of owing property. [rolleyesanim]
I have a tenant who has been in a unit for 10 years. She has a disability and therefore her income is limited. At the moment she is around $27 to $30 per week below the going market rate.
I justify the low rent in the following manner — if I had tenants coming and going every 18 months (or less), then I would have to repaint and refurbish to bring the unit up to scratch each time the unit is put on the market. Then of course there are the letting and advertising fees which must be paid to the property manager; and the other issue of course is downtime — if the new tenant doesn’t move in as the other moves out there will be loss of income. Over the course of 10 years, all the above costs would mount up to more than the monthly loss of income (tenant below the market rate).
So you really need to weigh up all facts –not just look at interim issues but the long term view. Perhaps being a good guy is possible, even if it means leaving the tenant in place, keeping the rent at a lower level — yet in the long term there will be more dollars in your pocket.[smiling]
Just my thoughts. Having read earlier posts, I’m sure my comments will raise a few eyebrows. [blink] Anyway, I am able to sleep at night, knowing that I have treated my tenant with respect, fully aware and supportive of her circumstances.
why not concentrate on an area or region rather than trying to locate properties around Australia. [blink][blink] Then if you find a few of interest, hop on a plane over a weekend and follow up. The advantage to this strategy is that you will build up some relationships with local agents; also you will develop a level of understanding of property values in an area and know if you have found a great investment or one which is mediocre.[biggrin]
Once you feel you have exhausted one area, pick another and start the process again.
Hi all,
thanks for your replies. Its more than just understanding the conveyancing process — I really would like to get a handle on contracts — what they really mean[bulb]. I have bought a couple of properties off the plan and the contracts usually weigh a few kilos — really difficult to get through and remain sane.[blink] However, its best to wade through these documents — to prevent future problems or at least have an understanding of what the future might bring.[eh]
So keep the information coming. Are there any legal firms out there producing newsletters on property. That would be one way of keeping up to date with all aspects of property not just contracts.[suave]
Hi,
you have to take the good with the bad.[tired] In some years expenses per property are hardly anything, but next year the onslaught is neverending. With a smaller property, painting, new carpet plus usual expenses (council etc) can wipe out profit for the year. Its happened to me twice. You just have to take the highs with the lows — and always have a little something in reserve to deal with the latter.
In relation to costly repairs.[thumbsdownanim Firstly, an older property, particularly a budget one (your word), will tend to throw quite a few repairs at you — and these tend to be the more expensive ones such as the plumbing referred to in your post. My second comment is, who did the building inspection. Weren’t any of these things identified. [surprised]
Perhaps next time you are in the market for a property consider something built in recent years? Also I would have a chat with archicentre — tell them about the problems you are experiencing — ask them if they should have been identified as part of a building inspection.
On the top left of the page you will see “reports by area”. Click on australasia. When the page loads you will see a report under General Residential “Australian Residential Markets – North queensland market overview”. The report was compliled in 2002 — there doesn’t seem to be anything more recent on Rockhampton. Perhaps give them a call and see if any other data is available. Hopefully the report will be of benefit to you.
Hi,
why don’t you start talking to a few agents to check out the good and bad areas to invest in. Give them an idea of what you are looking for and see what response you get. See if you can get back copies of the Midwood report — will provide some useful background data on Rockhampton. Will also give you some idea of other areas to invest in. Speak to the town planner regarding issues such as flood plains. When you get to Rockhampton, don’t forget to speak to the locals. Often the best source of advice.
Lots of luck with your first investment property. Enjoy the journey.
Hi Peter,
just a thought. Perhaps you could get in contact with the peak body for both accounting and financial planning and ask their advice for suitable training programmes. They should be able to steer you in the right direction to ensure you pursue recognised qualifications, suited to your needs.
Regards,
Helen
Hi,
couldn’t buy sight unseen — too conservative. Going the buyers agent route is OK although I haven’t done so. I just feel if you spend a great deal of time looking into an area, and then additional time searching for the right property — then a site inspection seems a logical conclusion to the process. Web advertising can be misleading; agents on the ground want a sale for their vendors. Nobody cares if you buy a lemon.
Anyway, given the differing views expressed it seems that a number of members on the forum have had a great deal of success with acquisitions, sight unseen. Each to their own.
Hi,
what is the purpose of buying a property which might be positively geared if in the future you can’t find any decent tenants (or worst scenario NO TENANTS). On top of that your post indicated nil capital gain. This type of property won’t add very much value to your portfolio and could be a lemon in the not too distant future.[thumbsdown2]
The other property although negatively geared offers you a better option — good tenants (hopefully), substantial capital gain, some tax breaks — and in the future once paid off (or at least nearly paid off) an ongoing income stream.
The alternative — is you insist on going the positive cash flow route is to keep looking[cap]
Anyway, just my thoughts. Hopefully others can shed some additional light[light] on your dilemma.
Hi Purse,
thanks for the reply. I am aware of the book “Clauses Made Simple” by Robert Balanda. I felt this book was directed at the property industry. The blurb for the book states “an ideal reference source for those in the property industry. No business broker, agent or solicitor can afford to be without this resource”. I thought it might be too technical for my use. [blush2]Thanks for bringing it to my attention again. I will have another look at this publication.
I would NEVER consider doing my own conveyancing — or handling any legal matter.[dunce2] All that is best left to the experts. But I felt that in order to be an effective investor I should understand the legal process. In the past when I have received a contract I have attempted to understand key points in terms of application and interpretation. But unless you have some sort of formal education, understanding is at best minimal. [eh]
In my view investing is more than just buying quality property. Its also ensuring that you protect your position to minimise negative consequences.[8] Hence my interest in furthering my understanding of the legal process. Also, I have found in the past that if you do ask your solicitor questions, the final account for conveyancing goes up exponentially!!!! In one case I paid $600 over and above the original quote just because I asked a few questions. [!]
So an understanding of contracts etc not only would save me time and money, but as noted earlier improve my overall investment expertise.
Thanks to those who have responded. Any further ideas would be welcome.[biggrin]