Yeah! I think all the profit was going, going, gone. But really the figures for that whole area are stuffed! Buy a block for $640k, Spend 800k building 4 TH's, 200k for holding costs, approvals & drawings etc, and contingency. sell price $520k the return is 20%. BuT…………..the land is $640+ how much do they really want? How much do builders cost in WA? Can I really sell for that price? How long are approvals taking?
BTW, current project will be done on 22nd Feb, already have one leased, have someone looking today, had 3 inquiries yesterday! Rental market just fine where we have built!
Yeah I got both of those and they were good. The property secrets exposed one is ok too, Michael Yardney's book was ok but I really wonder if he is still able to live off equity nowadays.
Google 'business mall', online bookshop has STACKS of great property books and better yet delivers to your house etc, no trying to get it, they will have it and many other great books. Get a subscription to API magazine while you are there, it'll help you get some extra info every month. Enjoy the reading!
I have to say I may as well just cut and paste some of my previous comments here. I bought 1 sight unseen and would do it again. Due diligence! End of story. If you have studied and area, town, street and know enough about it then you can make an informed decision very easily.
Building and pest inspections generally help you out getting a much broader view than what the agent may be telling you. You can't tell the back windows need doing from the pictures but the inspector will tell you.
Sometimes the agent is very helpful telling you that he would REALLY rather that you saw it first and that a single guy lives there. It's great when the agent tells you how bad an area is and how they wouldn't buy anything there because then you can look at what they have pointed out as a "nice" place to buy and get something that is probably in between the two that will suit your portfolio.
Don't be worried, chanel the fear instead into googling, making a few phone calls and seeing what you can dig up!
Hehe JacM, what ur not up for some spruiking? What about some marketeering? There's plenty for everyone, after all there's one born every minute (supposedly )
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"GULP"! So long everyone I've had my fun, I'm off to 'Carousel' in June! Better get some properties now lol. BTW has anyone tried soylent green? I've heard it tastes just like chicken.
Sorry just thought of a new scheme that could be implemented. First caravan buyers scheme! The grey army could just wander round the country, meaning that the population in some areas would sky rocket, and there may be a slight problem with congestion and the over 70's, but hey! lol!
The problem with importing the young people is that they already have families to pay for back in the country of origin. I'm sure that many dollars they earn will be invested in the families they already have not in the oldies here that no one else wants to pay for. Yes I know they will pay tax etc. The other problem I foresee is Mother-in-laws. Multi-generational housing means that people would have to live with theirs.
How would you like to live in retirement Scott? What about you Wealth? Plenty of flash new retirement homes with picture of "older" people drinking wine, and laughing on a tennis court! You could go for the sardine option, developers could build terrace houses again but this time the whole ground floor could be shared living space and people could retire to a "sleeping capsule"! I'm scaring myself here!
Awwww cry me a river! BTW I said last post! Also just one thing and I promise I'll leave you alone, not really what you want but I'll do it, how many properties do YOU own Ummester? Just coz you dragged me back in, nope not Dan!
Wealth I get what you are trying to say. Do you think that land values will change and that bank valuations will now change to suit the change of house and land size? Do you think valuers will now start counting more on other parts of a property like newness of build, build quality, really anything other than land size?
Does this mean that rickety old houses on big blocks will be devalued based on the house and not valued up based on the land as the case used to be? I see what you are getting at with tiny houses being valued quite highly even though there is no associated yard (maybe small courtyard)
Do you think this will cause the slums or will it give people more of a sense of community? Maybe people grew tired of living in a way that isolated them from others in the community – you go in your box, I'll go in mine.
I think that as land becomes scarcer people will be conditioned to think that a 650sqm block is "a private oasis" or a manor! Look at some of the giant blocks (acreages) that the really old houses sit on these would have been the norm 100 yrs ago, now population growth has made it so that eventually we will live in each others pockets. Better start getting on with the neighbors better, for when we all have to live in the same house lol!
Can you post bits of your report when done or is it covered by a million confidentiality clauses? Just for interest.
"Lunatic fringe Australians worried about a non-existent house price “bubble” are delivering 20,000 brochures in Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s electorate to mark Australia Day."
So instead of just ignoring any more posts on this "how long is a piece of string thread" I've been sucked into it. Last post on this.
According to the ABS bread in 1970 cost 21c, 1999 $2.33. (sorry cant find quick figures for 2009) Has everyone stopped buying bread? And before you say but you need bread to live, you also need a house to live. I don't see shanty towns springing up here and there. I do not see "trailer parks" where the poor congregate to live. Yes the govt will throw money at this to stop this sort of thing happening which is why Australia is very different to other countries. So according to the ABS website,
Between 1974 and 1994, on average, prices increased 4.5 times. In the same period, disposable household incomes increased 5.5 times.
So will this happen in the future? Or will the price of everything outstrip disposable incomes? Even I, the emotional, opinionated person that I am can Google facts to support my arguments.
I think by talking to older people I may find I get quite an opinionated, emotional response rather than a studied, scientific report.
I've enjoyed the debate but for me I'm done. I honestly believe that in 10 years time that people will still be buying houses, the majority of "average" Australians will aim to purchase their own home, and my kids will be saying "Wow you got that for how much? that's so cheap!" but in reality they will be earning enough to be able to comfortably make repayments on a property.
Enjoy your day I am going to enjoy the last of the sun for today.
All point of views are valid, contrary or otherwise. Investment is not a religion rather a passion which will in turn elicit passionate responses.
When there are similar postings made by people who have only posted once or twice and they all seem to be in agreeance then my inner cynic wonders why they would come to a site and a forum so obviously pro investment. Negative spruikers? Recruiters for the unwavering Steve Keen? Please don't tell me that there aren't people with a vested interest in creating a fear of the market and inducing people not to buy.
I believe that a forum is for everyone, but I also get tired of the same old argument that pops up that the sky is falling, the world is flat and that developers and investors are greedy, greedy pigs. While it is a persons right to a view point and to post it it is also my right to post a rebuttal and a choice of humor rather than a straight antagonist post is sometimes a nicer way of getting a point across.
I'll check out the links as information costs nothing but generally I don't believe everything I read and see. Also the hyper-inflationary comment…..how much did food cost years ago? Cars? How much was the average wage? Maybe if commentators had seen house prices etc today they would have called the current situation hyper-inflationary. Inflation is a part of life and it will not go away it can only be managed, therefore prices will rise.
You could talk about how now is the wrong time to invest, how much money you don't have and how you don't like money, property or shares or investing! I think you may even have 5 or 6 people who would regularly want to catch up with each other to out doom and gloom each other on "the market"!
You could also move out of your homes ( for many reasons including because the house price is inflated and so is the rent) and live in caves! This could be the answer to getting away from devils such as property investors and evils such as making money! It would probably free up space on this forum for people who GENUINELY want to know and learn and gather creditable information from like minded people who are not out to gain something in return.