Should be interesting to see what happens. There is no actual reporting system to show what foreign investors are purchasing or how much. This is because the govt took out reporting for this. I think the actual figures will come out eventually and the govt will have to pull the plug on this of face a backlash of titanic proportions. REA are making a killing so no one is going to kill the cash cow by blabbing.
This should be an interesting wait and see. KRUDD has obviously made a pretty good deal with China, you guys buy all our metal and buy as much property as you can. He will get slaughtered at the next election though if mummy, daddy, susie and johnny think that they wont be able to buy a house because everyone who lives overseas owns them.
So I will be totally optimistic about this three days of info. If I can't find one tip or whatever that is worth the $500 I'll be surprised. Come on Wealthy come to Sunny Melbourne (lol) and enjoy the hype. I'll bring my checkbook and we can spend all our money on spruiked up wares and hats that say "world's greatest property investor"!
Funny Ben!
I think I'll try and pin a picture of my Avatar on me somewhere so people can boo and hiss me when I walk through the crowd heheh!
Seeya all there I think the war stories and tales of the ones that got away will be more than worth the rest of it!
I can't even shop! Gah! Miscommunication between us and architect means that strata titling on units will take another couple months. Do not want to cross colateralise so have to do my time. At least I wasn't selling, good thing to learn a lesson on this one.
Good on you for running a mile from a dud. (or a renovators delight lol). Melbourne is a %&^# of a market so I am a little nervous of starting an 18 mth project in a rabid market, the couple of months buys more research time.
My numbers are 13, 21, 33, 7, 6, 27 and 30 I will never ever win, I never play! I am ok at roulette though, Crown Casino has bought me dinner a few times
Aww Sonya, not coming? Boo! Eventually when I am in your state we have to catch up to trade tales! I'll bet you a $10 that you can't record anything or photograph!
Plenty of CF+ properties in regional areas for under 200k. If you are looking at 4 years + you should see a decent capital gain on a house in that time. Plus as Richard has said a million times you can leverage a lot higher on a house than one of these duds.
Hm! Good to know. If Carl door knocks someone, even if he has used RP data to source the property, to try and get options etc is that still a breach? Or are we bordering on a criminal gray area?
Hi good plan. Melbourne is rife with the pay anything mentality. I am at the stage of door knocking, the only thing I think is that dragging my two screaming kids around with me may work against me !
Will the local council give you postal details for the company names etc? When we where developing our block our company name was on the planning sign, council gave next door neighbors our address (just happened to be home address wont do that again) and they turned up on our doorstep to complain about plumbing. Ps not my problem. If they are giving out our details maybe they will give out others.
I think this would be a way more productive way to get property, it will involve time and hard work and you should document it so others can learn from it when you nail it. (probably charge for the privilege )
It is really worth doing! You need to do as much research as possible before you even start looking at anything. This research involves picking an area for instance and then "crunching the numbers". Nobody develops for free, so you need to make sure that the area you pick has a easy chance of developing, inexpensive building and easy, profitable selling.
The beginning would be phone calls and stacks of em. You can pick a property (I will assume you have already seen something that has sparked your interest). Ring the council ask about subdivision, ask about restrictions, ask anything even if they treat you like an idiot who cares! You have to start somewhere.
Google architects, ring and find out how much they charge to draw plans and working drawings, how much they will charge to take the application to council etc. There are some great guys on this site who are more than happy to help you get started with tips and ideas. They can advise you on what can go on a block maybe 2, maybe 3. maybe single story, maybe double.They can also help you to cost for building and introduce you to builders.
Do you have cash? You will need cash to pay for application fees, drawings, interest while you are holding the property (meet shortfall in rent, or pay when property is demolished and new dwellings being built) demolition etc.
Talk to bank get a pre approval or no then go shopping.
Search through the forum for subdivision etc and have a good read. Good material is also API small development guide and Ron Forlee Residential development book (where are my royalties I have plugged this book to death!!!!)
Then when you have researched the crap outta this thing then get cracking and do it! No ifs no buts no maybes. Get the big picture set in your head and go for it.
I never really saw the house on our block I only every saw the ghostly outline of the 3 units that are there now.
Was this the Elite pack coz that's how I got my tickets….? It'll be great to know other forumites are there so we can put stuff on the forum later, questions theories, etc.
I'm really hoping I don't have brain freeze after cramming in so much through 3 days!
Yeah I was a bit worried but I found some old posts that said that the three days were ok. I know what you mean about child minding! I think my sister in law will hate me later I think even if I get one new thing from the three days it will be worth it.
Could be just the fact that most people who work for Westpuke are there just to collect a pay check. Everyone has their own agenda and people and products they want you to use or buy. It is just funny from a people watching point of view to see the agenda at work by some one guiding someone toward a poorer performing investment!
Valid point! I guess the only thing that would put me off buying somewhere like Point Cook (even though looks like ok option) is there doesn't seem to be a scarcity factor. There seems to be many more planned land releases in the area and the housing options are all house and land packages in planned estates. This is not necessarily a bad thing. My own investing strategy is for development of existing older houses into units so looking out that side isn't really an option. If I do buy and hold it needs to be something on a sub-dividable block which is often restricted on new blocks.
But having said all that every one has a different strategy. The depreciation on a new property is great and if the rent is neutral/positive cashflow then it may fit many people's strategy. As long as the cashflow and growth is there I don't think people should be put off by Western suburbs (in any state…) By the way the Eastern suburbs are the ones people look down on in WA so really a good investment is in the eye of the beholder!
Here's what i got emailed today (sorry don't know source). Re Melbourne market.
Melbourne still soaring with 84% clearance
NATALIE PUCHALSKI
April 19, 2010
MELBOURNE'S property market continued its incredible run at the weekend and because of strong demand, shows no signs of slowing.
This weekend, 739 out of a reported 875 auctions resulted in a sale, producing another high clearance rate of 84 per cent.
Though it's usually the weakest quarter, the first three months of 2010 were at their strongest since 2003, according to the REIV.
Melbourne's median house price dropped just 2 per cent to $524,500, while unit and apartment prices grew by 2 per cent to a record $450,000.
The median price of houses sold at auction rose by 4.4 per cent to $720,000 and apartments increased by 3.5 per cent, putting more stress on buyers.
REIV chief executive Enzo Raimondo said the most demand and the greatest price increases were being felt in some of the most expensive suburbs.
"The largest increases in median prices were recorded in Malvern East, Brighton, Frankston South, Footscray West, Ascot Vale, Glen Iris, Kew, Camberwell, Surrey Hills and Blackburn – six of which have a median in excess of a million.''
This weekend, almost 100 properties sold for more than $1 million, with another 10 selling for more than $2 million. Two subdivided blocks of land in Toorak at 4 Trawalla Avenue fetched more than $5 million each at auction.
There were seven bidders for 5 Ross Street, Kew, which went under the hammer for $2.26 million, $260,000 above its reserve.
Noel Jones group chairman Adrian Jones said the house was going to be demolished; part of an increasing trend towards viewing inner suburban property ''purely in terms of land value''.
Ruth Roberts, of Woodards, said one of their properties at 21 Manchester Grove in Glen Huntly was on the market for private sale for three weeks without getting an offer.
It was then put to auction and attracted six bidders, selling for $917,000, above its $860,000 reserve.
JPP Buyer Advocate Catherine Cashmore said the only way to cool the market was to increase supply, and this would take time.
Malcolm's Real Estate chief executive Frank Hellier said 1 Maude Street, Cheltenham, had five competitive bidders, who pushed the price to $778,500, past a $630,000 reserve.
''I think if the interest rates continue to increase, it might take the edge off the market in the next six months,'' he said.
If I had a million I know where I would be buying……
Yeah I am totally with the rip off bit with the holding cost. I wouldn't settle until I could take control of the property and if the property is not ready for four months then settlement will be four months. They are just getting you to help foot their interest bill.
This is where you need to really do your homework. What state are you in? Are you close to this area? If not it will make it harder for you to check the facts and figures without going there. I would make a heap of phone calls before anything else. Ring several realestate offices in town. Is the price about right for that sort of thing in that area? Is the rent the right price? Are the figure projected or real figures for today? Check the demographics, is there a large population, is the town growing, what else is there, big brand shops, high schools, jobs? The list goes on.
Ring your accountant and ring a separate bank etc regarding the finance options.
If they will not give you any info to take away be wary. If they want to you sign right there and then be wary, if they suggest negative gearing as a great option for you be wary. There are plenty of ways to invest directly in property and any one who is giving you advice should not be trying to sell you something. I smell a spruik (please anyone correct me if I am wrong).
I would be more inclined to hang around here for a while (especially if you have no investment properties as yet) speak to the great mortgage brokers who practically live here they really know their stuff. Look at some properties on realestate.com and post some of them and ask for opinions. These opinions are free and most people here are not trying to sell anything.
There is plenty of property in the country and there may be better options than dipping into your pocket every week. Grab a copy of Steve McKnights book and have a really good read as he is all about positive cash flow property rather than negative. Another good read is any of Margaret Lomas' books (she also is on pay tv on Monday nites).
Good luck feel free to post questions and someone will try to answer them
Gee Kate…. you might be limiting your investing really. That really lets out quite a big list of properties. There is a lot of things i wouldn't live in, but if someone else will and they will pay me to do so then I won't say no. Due dilligence is about making sure what you are buying is a good investment. If the pretty house/unit/flat is a good investment then fine but most of the time they aren't as good as the uglies. I also wouldn't live in commercial property but it would make a good investment. Sonya I'll leave the rest up to you.
I personally like the fact (apart from the fact that he wanted you to get a lower return) that he said you should go for negative gearing because it would be better for you. Umm running at a loss isn't really good for anyone……?! Must be less paperwork or easy for him to get paid for or something…….