I think there are still some basic strategies that work in today’s market. Buy an unrenovated property that already has positive cash flow then renovate to increase cash flow and add in some capital growth is one that might be a good starting point.
I don’t know that I’d say a strategy that works now will work for the next 10 or even 5 years. Things change, people change and so does your investing. I’m not doing the same things in property I did 10 years ago, and I’m planning for huge change and opportunity even in the next few years.
I think people get too hung up on the ‘I’ll do this then RETIRE!!! I’ll never work again!! I’ll be rich!’ It’s not so quick and easy and also if you retire, then what? Sit at home watching DR Phil? You’ll still need to ‘DO’ something and that’s where the online business etc comes in. You may not want to work for the man, but you may still want to do something.
I’m not in love with vendor finance either, but if it worked for me in a deal I wouldn’t say no.
Steve Keen – Wrong. Analysts – Wrong. Kochie – Always Wrong. A bunch of scaremongers from USA – Wrong.
GOM – Right. Everyone who still bought property in the last 3 years – Probably right.
The two issues we may now have in Oz is the banking system, and demographics.
The banks wish to see the status quo continue and keep property at the same prices by offering limited lending. If you are going to stay in the same house for 30 years and the same job 30 years then Mr Bank Manager wants to know you! Construction finance….. that's whole other basket of fish.
It'll also be interesting as Gen Y and the next gens start to come into the banking scene what will happen. They'll be used to change and flexibility, will the current housing system (difficult to easily trade/move/sell property) be something that gets a revamp in the next few years.
Oh and the Grey Tsunami – I'm voting this myth busted.
Those are my things to watch for the next 3 years!
Freckle – hope you got your Google on, taking on the Geelong Gal.
Cotton On owns themselves, Cotton On Body, Cotton On Kids and Typo, Factorie and now Supre.
Typo especially I think is one to watch for market growth as it offers a unique product.
Personally as a Holden girl I’m sad, but I don’t think it’s the end of the world for either the workers or GM. Our market is a drop in the ocean compared to USA and the Arabic Nations (the car I drive was released there with bigger engine and better spec), why produce a more expensive product… Unfortunately this is the way the world works.
Oh, and don’t pick me Freckle, It’s been a long couple months.
Firstly find an architect/Draftsperson or hand holder to help you through this process.
I recently met the team at Pillar and Post (Christianb and Breece are members of this forum) and the are great at holding a beginners hand through the process of due diligence and working out what will fit on a block.
The problem is, you haven't told us what suburb, what zoning, are there overlays on the land, where is the sewerage, storm water, etc on the site. What is nearby? Are there any covenants on the block such as single dwellings in that suburb only.
As for how much, as a percentage profit, I don't normally look at deals (for development) under 25% return, the risk of hitting snags and issues doesn't make it worth it. I know experienced developers who develop in the same suburb over and over work at 15-17%.
How much to build? How long is a piece of string? IS the block level? What finish are we talking, 25 sq is a big townhouse, does it have to be that big? Double storey or single? the list goes on.
You can do development, you just need to go in with your eyes wide open and knowing everything you can about it first, and don't rush! There is always another deal!!
Being both a tenant and a landlord, I've never changed the locks as landlord and never had a landlord/PM change the locks for me.
The exception to this of course is when I'm renovating. I'll change the front door lock, generally coz I'm changing out the whole door anyway. I have had ex-tenants visit during renovations and it's a nice feeling to know that they can't just waltz in the front door.
As a tenant you can ask for the door locks to be changed at your expense, I must say most suburbs I have lived in I haven't bothered.
I have been robbed recently and they broke the fence and smashed a window, so a dinky thing like a having a key wasn't really going to worry them!
As the landlord it is up to you what 'extras' you do, tenants don't expect the locks to get changed out each year/6 mths with a tenancy change.
I like the electronic option, I'm thinking keyless entry on the next house
Plenty of lovely ladies on the forum are on the investment track with kids in tow (some of the guys too ).
You'll need to think about risk. How much are you prepared to play with, and what happens if that goes pear shaped? Are you happy with just cash flow positive properties or do you see yourself carving out a new niche and career for yourself over the next few years while you are home with the kids? What skills do you have so that you can manage the properties, investments, people to make it work, do you need to learn some new ones?
It's hard for anyone to suggest exactly what you should do, it'll take you a little time to figure it out yourself. You at least have a goal, now you can work backwards from there. eg. completion of Goal, step, step, step, jump in the deep end, overcome fear, feel confidence, strategy, explore all options (cash flow positive, renos, development), no idea start. I'm not sure that makes sense….
Ask yourself questions, hard questions. Ask hubby questions, what if he doesn't agree?
It can be done, sometimes it'll get a little messy, or hard, but stick at it.
Let us know how you get on, you've made a good start by becoming part of the community.
How long will govt bureaucracy take? Maybe check out the planning maps on land.vic.gov.au on any blocks you are looking at. I checked one of mine yesterday and it was updated on the 27th June with no changes, so I'm guessing not everything will change, or maybe just in name only…
The best thing to do if you already own land or are looking at purchasing is finding a architect/drafty who is really up to date with changes and can work with them.
The gottchas – if it's not in writing it doesn't exist.
So 4 bedrooms, do you think the house can accommodate 6-8 strangers comfortably?
I'm not a huge fan of boarding houses it seems like one huge headache for no much more return.
You'd really want to crunch the numbers on this to make sure that going through all the fire rating/council hooey/ insurance issues/ etc is worth that extra $100-$200 a week.
Find someone who will manage it first, talk to them about common issues before you take any steps. Talk to some insurance companies, what is the cost of insuring it, can you get insurance easily what does it cover? Talk to your current tenants, will they be happy sharing with as many as 6 other people at any one time, people may be happy to move in when you only have one or two other tenants but might jump ship when it becomes crowded.
Lastly, you can ask for bond which is held by the Bond Authority. I don't like your chances of asking for 'cash just incase you don't pay rent' please check the red book for renters (get a copy off a property manager – sorry I don't know the link) this must be given to all tenants at the beginning of their lease.
Yep get the contracts reviewed by a solicitor (preferably in the same state, so they know the ins and outs). You should be able to add clauses, get your solicitor to write some for you so they are nice and legal, it is then up to the vendor whether they accept the contract with those clauses.
Check through the inclusions list very carefully, don't assume it comes with something (eg, flyscreens) just because the display property, or pictures have them. Check the clauses carefully, such as sunset clauses to see timelines, get your solicitor to flag anything they think you should read carefully and understand before signing.
Some of the other guys on here should be able to offer up some ideas too
You could also talk to the guys at Pillar and Post (formerly brutal art). They are in Melbourne and have been great contributors to this site for a long time. If I remember rightly Ash from Stacey surveying can also hand hold (or recommend someone) to take care of the process of gaining an approval.
Thanks Jacqui – I've been renovating for clients now so haven't had time to jump on here for ages!!!
See how you go with the property manager, you might find thy don't need or have time for the obligation of being your project manager. You might be able to talk one of your tradies into overseeing the renovation for you at a price.
I have met some real rubbish ones. I went to an open and basically got told to get out as the property was looking like being sold that weekend (at auction) well duh. That's why you have an auction.
It's not just agents, had a waitress give me a lecture for 10 mins on why it wasn't her fault she gave my meal to another person and refuse to give me a $10 refund. People are people, some function well, others not so great.
Unless the house is a crazy bargain, that you can never buy again (ha) vote with your feet. Theres always someone else who will treat you with respect, take the time and at least offer to meet you at another time if they are busy.
The guys are right, you could build lots of things, depending on what suburb, zoning, overlays etc.
Can you give us a hint on the suburb? And I'd definitely say give Pillar and Post a ring and have a chat. The other even you can go to in June is Rookie Developers D-Day, Troy Harris runs a day course on developing and crams as much info as he can in. Email – [email protected] for more details, it's worth going to some of these things if you haven't developed before, you may meet some like minded people, make some contacts etc, and it's in the Eastern suburbs.
With regard to the long term, you may be 'planning' on holding it for 10 years but what if this doesn't work out for you? With development and renovation you need to make sure you make a profit (or worst case break even), even if you had to sell tomorrow. If you develop and in 2 years time need to sell for a life emergency or for any reason, then you need to make sure you can get out with a healthy amount of money in your pocket.