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    Humpz wrote:
    Hi Guys,

    Our goals are to of course, own our own home, and I would also like to build up our portfolio over time to include investment properties. The crossroads we are at at the moment is – what to do NOW.

    We will be leaving locality in two years time, likely to the ACT (with work).

    We currently have approx 33k in savings, growing week to week.

    I am eligible for tier 2 Defence Home Ownership Assistance (Subsidised up to home loan of around 260k @ $280/m or a lump sum payment which would be in the ballpark of $13,500 – consisting of four years subsidy payments lumped)

    The only problem I see with the DHOAS is that I am limited to the NAB, Defence Force Credit Union or the other ADF Credit Union for finance.

    We are currently renting at $220pw.

    220 p/w = 11,440 down the drain each year * 2 years = $22,880.  or a $105,000 loan over 20 years at 8% p/a

    You can't buy much with $105,000 so it might be prudent to pay rent until you have to move to ACT
    Then buy in ACT $350,000 to $600,000 you may need to borrow more than 260k in canberra.
    You may have to look at a unit.

    Humpz wrote:

    I will be debt free in about 12mths time, however the few grand I owe is interest free.

    I am a little nervous about the market at present, and whilst I know you are all likely to say that getting into the market is the important part, due to our circumstances – holding for 5+ years may not be as simple as it is for others (due to moving around a bit)

    When you move to canberra a lot of people in your situation do the following.
    Buy house / unit –
    pay off as much as possible while at Canberra .
    Then move
    Rent out Canberra property

    Buy a another property in new location
    pay off as much as possible while at new location.
    Then move
    Rent out old location property

    Buy a another property in new location
    pay off as much as possible while at new location.
    Then move
    Rent out old location property

    (Previous accidental property investors in Defence force API Magazine)

    Humpz wrote:
    I am not sure whether we should purchase a home here, now, live in it for a couple of years and then venture off to the ACT in two years time, possibly renting out what we have here and trying to start again in the ACT.

    Depends on how much properties cost at Here. You may be able to buy a Unit and try to pay off as much as possible in the two years and then rent it out and use it as collateral for the Canberra purchase.

    Humpz wrote:
    I have also considered continuing to rent and purchasing an IP in the ACT and letting it accumulate some equity between now and our eventual move.

    I thought of this but wasn't sure if you would get the subsidized help from the defence force if you do this ?
    You need to check if this is allowed for the subsidized help.
    I think you mean you would move into IP in two years time if so you need to get valuation done for capital gains tax cost base for PPOR cgt exemption status and your records.

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    We are considering taking the $240,000 as cash and buying property.

    You have to pay off the margin loan !! You do not have $240,000 cash you owe $325,000 !!

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    You have really answered your question by " you have 18 months before retirement".
    Capital gain takes time and you may do a renovation and find the market price for the finished reno is not adequate to make a profit.
    So there is a risk that at your time in life you may not be prepared to take.


    You are in a real predicament

    If you sold all your shares you still have to find $85,000 to pay off the debt shortfall.

    Hopefully you have other assets to sell or borrow (not with a margin loan) against to pay off the extra $85,000

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    I have never heard of an annual membership fee before. Usually you get charged a percentage of the purchase price once they find you a property. Have you had a look at Cameron Bird in Queensland

    http://www.jamesbuyeradvocates.com.au/about_us.html                             1 to 2%
    http://www.morrellandkoren.com.au/cost1.html                                             1 to 2%
    http://www.leadingedgeproperty.com.au/services.aspx#1                            $500 to $1500 upfront fee

    Maybe you should do a search on buyers advocate

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    short term bridging finance.

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    That would be giving financial advice which can only be given by a licensed financial planner.
    What you need to look at is your risk tolerance.
    Usually if you do not like losing all your money you put in into a number of investments to spread the risk this is known as a diversified portfolio of investment.
    If you want a hands off approach a managed fund or a number of managed funds could be worth you investigating.
    see https://invest.etrade.com.au/InvestmentProducts/ManagedFunds/Default.aspx.

    Some car parks are in this price range.
    http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=106107916&f=20&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=89340271&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1257932642

    http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=105680331&f=120&p=10&t=res&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=89340271&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1257932642

    These are only examples of what is available I have no idea what returns these investments yield.

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    dirty sanchez wrote:


    Lets say In a few years we plan to move into the IP.

    Change of status CGT event if you plan on claiming this property as PPOR otherwise you can rent out original PPOR for 7 years and keep it as PPOR CGT Status but then you can't claim IP2 as new PPOR CGT status. Can't claim PPOR for two properties at the same time. Capital gains tax implications.
    PPOR


    CGT exempt


    Rental – no longer CGT exempt
    Value600k


    Valuation needed 700k 


    Sell 800k
    100k CGT exempt


    !


    ! 100k capital gains tax liability

    dirty sanchez wrote:


     Remortgage the  loan #2 $400K to P+I + offset, take our $300k cash into the new account.

    Change of status CGT event if you plan on claiming this property as PPOR otherwise you can rent out original PPOR for 7 years and keep it as PPOR CGT Status but then you can't claim IP2 as new PPOR CGT status. Can't claim PPOR for two properties at the same time. Capital gains tax implications.
    IP2-rental —- —- CGT liability-


    PPOR – CGT exempt
    Value500k


    Valuation needed 600k 


    Sell 700k
    100k CGT liability


    !


    ! 100k capital gains tax exempt

    If you do not get valuations done when you sell in the future you will have a hard time working out the previous values of the properties to work out capital gains tax liabilities and exemptions.

    Once you file a tax return from the new IP address now PPOR it will most likely be your evidence that your PPOR has shifted.
    However you may need to inform the state revenue office of where your PPOR is for land tax purposes.
     

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    You mentioned ceiling insulation in the subject line – You want to look into the government rebate on ceiling insulation. I posted a topic in heads up on it . Got no idea how much ceiling would cost probably go to bunnings and get plaster board price and work out how many sheets you would need for the area. 

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    What is your goal.

    Capital Gain – may be a problem

    Positive cash flow with building write down depreciation  maybe possible.

    With $300 k you may find it hard to enter a city property market.

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    However if that tree was infested with grubs and a symptom of this is sap leaking out of it an arborist report may confirm that the tree is dangerous to life due to the risk of the tree falling down.

    Its just that I had a blue gum tree in this poor condition and had to have it cut down due to the safety risk. But it wasn't heritage but it was a big tree.

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    I am reading a book called The Great Depression Ahead written by Harry S Dent jr
    This is going to happen also due to demographics
    However this is an American book and it doesn't take into account immigration. As Australia has a larger percentage of immigration when you divide new immigrants / Total Population of the country.

    This is a protection factor for Australia as immigrants are usually of a child rearing age and have larger families which creates demand for property and demand for consumer goods.
    However in the USA you have a much larger percentage of the population (Baby Boomers) who are retiring and selling their properties and also reducing their cost of living thus causing less demand for consumer products.

    Also when industry finally wakes up to itself they will find that they should have been taking on new low skilled employees over the last 5 to 10 years and training them up for when the mass retirements are going to occur from the baby boomers over the next 2 – 5 years..
    So when in the future a mass training program will be required the productivity will be lower and help bring on a recession or depression.

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    No qualification needed, Suggest you read a lot of books maybe check out Australian Property Investor magazine at newsagents each month.
    http://www.businessmall.com.au/property-investing.html

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    cana05 wrote:
    Thanks everyone for your answers. I guess I will need to contact the tax man so he can resubmit the variation form.


    To duckster:
    If you increase the rent by $5 per week then you need to
    decrease your negative gearing loss by $5 * 52 minus real estate agent commission increase)
    A whole $260 a year.

    Does this mean we get $260 more per year and if we want to stay negative we need to spent it basically on the house? Or put it towards super?
    We are on fixed loan for another 8 years.
    My next question is can my husband still claim the same depreciation for the house if it becomes positively geared?

    Thanks

    If hubby sticks the $260 into super in would be a voluntary contribution and would not change the positive gearing to negative gearing.
    However if you (wife) are on a low income and hubby puts money into your super annuation account on your behalf you may qualify for the

    Superannuation spouse contribution tax offset

    http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/19144.htm

    If you spend the $260 per year on an improvement via a small redraw loan via increased interest charge or on a repair or improvement that is a tax deductible expense you will be reducing your net property loss as opposed to net property income.

    You  need to seek financial advice from a licensed financial advisor on buying shares with borrowed money as as it is a risker method and may not suit your situation

    With a higher risk factor you can borrow money from the house loan with a split loan and put in into shares that pay a dividend and be able to claim the interest of $260 a year as an expense used to earn dividend income.

    might be worth discussing with your tax man/ agent as a possible method.

    Hubby can claim depreciation if the house if positively geared. You just have to have tax already paid on other incomes.

    You can reach a situation when you own a lot of properties were your total depreciation is greater than the amount taxable on your income. So as an example you earn $60,000 p/a but depreciation is $54,000 a year . anymore depreciation above $54,000 would be in the tax free threshold as the first $6000 earned is tax free. Also you have different tax rates in each wage bracket so tax saves reduces as depreciation reduces your taxable income to below the next previous tax scale.

    on a tangent

    If you do not increase the rent by small amounts each year your tenant gets use to no rental increases and then when you put the rent up a small amount your tenant leaves the property or abandons it (happen to me) . So it is a good idea to condition the tenant to having modest rental increases each year rather than suddenly having a massive rental hike 6 years later when you realise you need to raise the rent to get up to market rent.

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    Hi
    I had a female friend who was in a slightly similair situation and she found a house that needed someone to house sit in, so she is paying rent but it is a lot lower rate than she might have had to pay and is sort of like a care taker for the property..

    http://mindahome.com.au/
    http://www.housesitworld.com.au/sitmelb.htm
    http://melbourneexchange.com.au/classifieds/Housesitting-Melbourne-Find-Housesitter-/5013.html
    http://happyhousesitters.com.au/http://www.houseminders.com.au/
    http://www.houseminders.com.au/
    http://www.aussiehousesitters.com.au/
    http://www.housesit.directoryoz.com.au/

    If they are prepared to move they may be able to get vendor finance
    here is some examples of this
    http://www.ownyourhome.com.au/Resources/post/Interest-Free-Housing-Loans.aspx
    http://www.vendorfinancehomes.com.au/
    http://www.realestate.com.au/doc/Resources/Invest/vendor-finance.htm
    http://www.yourestate.com.au/properties_9_QLD_1.php
    http://www.renttoownhome.com.au/

    You might find more than this above list by googling Vendor Finance
                                                                                     or
                                                                         googling Rent to Buy

    P.S
    The subject line you have used has another meaning you may not be aware of !
    Do a search in Wikipedia on the subject line if you are unaware of the other meaning.

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    If you have a credit limit on any of your cards the mortgage lender will take this as an item to reduce how much you can borrow even if the credit card is empty of debt. You may wish to reduce the credit limits on both credit cards or on the one remaining credit card.
    The personal loan will be an item that also reduces how much you can borrow for a house loan !
    However the personal loan should have a lower interest rate than the credit cards.

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    Its a new type of back massager isn't it ?

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    It is a serviced apartment complex you book in for the night . It probably incurs high management fees for you the owner .
    see http://www.questknox.com.au/index.site.home.property.21.html

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    if you have a good deposit and a low LVR you can get a bad credit loan and when your credit rating improves you refinance to a cheaper interest rate loan.
    http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=oSN&q=non+conforming+bad+credit+loan&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU&aq=f&oq=

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    Albert84 wrote:

    About 2 months ago, and while living in my new PPOR, I withdrew the extra money I payed on the first house (~ 12k) with the intention of paying it off the PPOR mortgage. I have since realised the ATO doesn’t like this.

    Which brings me to my question/questions?

    What’s the penalty for drawing that money off the 1st home? Should I pay it back?    

    As it was two months ago the penalty is that you have a real headache .
    What your penalty is – You cannot Claim the Portion of the IP loan that was the redraw amount interest charges as a tax deductible expense because you used it for a private purpose rather than for an investment purpose.
    If you claimed the redraw portion in your last or any previous tax returns then you will have a problem with the ATO.
    If you did the wrong thing with your tax return then you could pay a penalty fine up to 25% of what is owing  and interest on the money owing to the ATO
    See web links at end of this posting !

    So you have to work out how many days in the financial year you had redraw amount.
    Then you have to work out or find out from the bank what interest rates were charged on each day as it has been changing lately
    Days *of (int 1)x (annual interest rate 1) /365 * redraw amount
    plus
    Days (of int 2) x (annual interest rate 2)/365 * redraw amount
    plus
    Days (of int 3) x (annual interest rate 3)/365 * redraw amount

    or you might be able to ask the bank if they can calculate the total interest for the financial year for the redraw amount.

    Then you need to subtract this amount from the total loan interest on investment property.

    You could ask the bank if they can split the loan so as to make working out the portion of redraw easier.
    Split >>> Redraw amount / Investment purpose amount
    (However it can be complicated see note at end of posting #######)
    A line of credit can also split the loan to make it easier at tax time.

    Read about proportioning private with investment in the links below
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/13/1092340458713.html?from=storylhs
    http://www.gadens.com.au/Publications-View.aspx?documentid=36
    http://www.renos.com.au/resources/interest-deductions/
    http://www.bdo.com.au/media-centre/m_r/qld/10_tax_return_mistakes_to_avoid             point 4

    ##### if you are paying off principle then the ratio of private / investment can change
    The interest is ratio of % of loan that is private and % that is investment and the interest is worked out by total interest* investment ratio with line of credit / private loan. So if you made a payment on the part that is private it changes the ratio amount.

    Best to talk to an accountant on how best to work out portioning of private to investment amounts and also on number of days if not whole financial year for private part of loan.

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