When this was typed in it was as stated below as it could change with tax reforms by Henry Report
There is a six year rule for claiming the first PPOR as your PPOR capital gains exemption. However the second property would not be able to be claimed as ppor at the same time.
http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/36887.htm look for Home used to produce income for more than one period totalling six years in web link above If you can prove that you lived in the first place with records you can nominate it as being main residence while renting it out !
Hope this helps, you will need to ask accountant or ATO how to nominate it as main residence for up to six years.
State when buying. Specify either buying as Tenants in Common with the split 30/70 or Set up a Trust structure and buy from the trust and then define the split in the discretionary trust. This method may not allow negative gearing a hybrid trust may be required for negative gearing but you need to check with an accountant as special rulings from tax department mean it has to be set up correctly to be able to negative gear it.
If you change it later stamp duty may be incurred.
If it is a radio remote find out who makes the remote and the toggle switch settings from body corporate or previous owner and buy another remote and change the toggle switch settings on the door and on the remote to match each other and stop old owner getting into garage. The locksmith may sell the radio remote also !
When you move back in the interest on the main residence is not tax deductible where as the other investment property will be tax deductible via negative gearing if costs are more then the rent and you have wage to reduce tax on.
Do you have the original software installation disks. The problem you are having is most likely due to missing DLL files that would be installed most likely into c:/windows32/system from the installation process. You may be able to move the hard drive from the old computer into the new computer and set it as the master IDE drive via the links settings on the hard drive if the new P.C motherboard has an IDE port
Once you move the hard drive you need to contact microsoft and explain that you have upgraded the hardware and need a new licence key which will require you to have the original windows installation Compact disk unless your old P.C is using an OEM version which cannot be transferred.
You may achieve the same thing via a program called ghost rather than swapping drives.
So lets derive a magic formula for this (Loan amount in two years time + extra loan in 2 yrs time) / Value of house in 2 yrs = LVR (0.8 is 80% LVR) (loan amount in two years time + 100,000 ) / (original value * (1+.07)^2 = 0.8 (0.07) is 7% p/a growth ^2 is power of 2 Two being the term of the interest rate being two years you could use 3 years and it would be (1.07)^3 (loan amount in 2 yrs +100,000) / (600,000 * (1.1449) = .8 (loan amount in 2 yrs + 100,000) /686940 = .8 multiple both sides of equation by 686940 loan amount 2 yrs +100,000 = 549,552 subtract 100,000 from both sides of equation loan in 2 yrs time = 449,552 and expected house value in 2 yrs being $686,940 to allow 100,000 to be taken out for a LVR at 80%
hi all, Me and my partner just bought our 1st home, we bought a 2bed apartment in Sydney CBD which costs around 600k. we have put in 20% deposit and the mortgage repayment would soon start. So my question is when can I actually start in investment properties and how?
You already have by buying your own home. Pay down more on this mortgage as the expenses are not tax deductible And any capital gain is CGT exempt if this is your main dwelling
homersyd wrote:
Do I have to wait until I pay off X% of our 1st home before we can refinance and use some of that equity? If so how much equity can we take out?
Depends on lenders allowable LVR Usually done with a line of credit loan against main residence security for next deposit needed. Currently your loan is 480k and 120k is deposit then you have 80% LVR which is what line of credit lends to. So as an example lets pretend that your house goes up in 2 years time to $690,000 in value (this value increase was based on a guess of 7% p/a annual compounded growth) and you have managed to reduce the loan to 470,000 LVR = 470 / 690 *100 = 68% (i took off the 000's as they get cancelled out in the maths equation anyway)
AS you can borrow to 80% LVR there is some equity Mortgage + Line of credit loan / Value = 80% to work this out 80% of value – mortgage left = line of credit 80/100 * 690 – 470 = 552 – 470 Line of credit =$82 k
If cross securing both properties lenders may go up to 95% LVR loan one + loan two / property one value + property two value. (470 + 420) / (690 + 420) 890/ 1110 equals 80% LVR
This way you stand to lose both houses if you default. See other postings on cross securitising as risk is higher.
I assume say we can take out 100k, and we have 40k saved in 2 yrs, does that mean we can use the 140k as a deposit for buying an investment property? But one big question would be since we still have our 1st mortgage, how/why would the banks lend to us to buy a 2nd one? thanks heaps in advance guys and girls! [/quote]
I think the asset protection comes more when the property investor owns many properties in different trusts with not much debt. If house one tenant trips over and sues house one trust then house two trust is not affected or house 50 trust account is not affected. However setting up the trust early is what is being mentioned to protect the assets when the portfolio grows to 10 plus houses.
you may want to look at paying a once a year fee for the portfolio loan rather than being slugged each month. One trap is that it is easy to borrow more money so if you top up a line of credit loan for some reason it can build up to quite an amount. You most likely will get also a credit card with that product so be careful not to clock up the visa card too much.
I have two portfolio line of credit loans with the happy dragon.
I use the amortization template for Excel to work out how much to repay on the loans to pay them off in whatever time frame I want.
Each fitting in the house reduces in value over a life span of the item (Carpets, Vinyl floor, Hot water service, Ect) The quantity surveyor works out the life span, as this is a hard thing to find out from the ATO. Then the devalued amount is able to be claimed as an incurred expense in earning the rental income.
Depending on when the building was built you may be able to claim the devalue amount on the construction costs of the building if built recently. The quantity surveyor works this out sometimes as to when a building was built and what the construction cost was. This can be claimed over 40 years if renting out the building. This is 2.5% of the construction costs each year.
The quantity surveyor then creates a depreciation schedule report to you that you can give to your accountant to do the depreciation component of your rental property at tax return time EOF.
So if you built a house recently and it cost $200,000 to construct then you could claim depreciation expense to increase the expenses by 2.5% of $200,000 which is $5,000 a year, however this $5000 is taken off the cost base which means you pay more capital gains tax in the future. So $5000 * .30 (tax paid on wage 30% )= $1500 is what you could get back in the tax return from this depreciation.
why would someone claim this ? To increase their cash flow by $1500 a year through a tax refund or via tax variation.
In straight line depreciation the amount depreciated each year = original value / life span in years so 40 years is 100% of original construction cost / 40 years this equals 2.5% of construction cost per year for 40 years.
Fitting depreciation is different as the life spans are usually shorter and it is not subtracted off the cost base but at the end of the life span the item is worth zero and usually needs replacement anyway.
If the house was your main residence it may be able to be claimed as your main residence as you are living with mum and dad for 6 years even though it is rented out , check with your accountant on this one as the asset has been split and it may be only for 50% of the property
Hi, They have said that we therefore need to provide the $62000 deposit.
Does this mean they actually want us to hand over the $62000 to them to hold until we need it for the finishing costs? This again seems crazy.
Is this standard practice? I have read on here that some lenders use GRV when working out the LVR for construction loans. I'm really annoyed (but not surprised) that our lender did not point this out when we first approached them for the land (with pending construction) loan. I have just double checked our contract and we have to pay a 1% exit fee ($1000) if we leave now and already paid around $800 to set up the loan.
Any clarification or advice on this issue would be hugely appreciated!
Thanks in anticipation.
I am not completely sure if this is what will happen so check /clarify with lender.
The $62,000 would be handed over as progress payments to the builder as the lender normally asks for a deposit from you via you paying the builder. So you pay the first couple of stages of construction up to $62,000 plus whatever other deposit was needed. Then you have to show the receipt to the bank at each stage and they check the work has been carried out. Once you reach the end of your contribution the invoices have to be given to the bank who then pay the builder for the next stage of construction that has been completed.
Usually the valuation can use both methods but the lender usually goes with the valuation that gives a lower result.
What is the expected rental income? as this will reduce the $5000 a year to a lower shortfall Negative gearing amount = rental income – interest costs – rates- insurance – depreciation – ect. You may be able to do a building write down (depreciation) to get more back on tax return (2.5% of building costs if building is new or recently constructed) Get a quantity surveyor to work out a deprecation schedule for fittings and building if applicible.
You May be able to reduce the tax taken out of your wage each week (due to negative gearing) to increase your cash flow each week. (its called a tax variation form check at http://www.ato.gov.au)
Have savings to cover the shortfall I did this for 3 years with no income by using savings. You need to factor in 4 months of vacancy a year in case you lose a tenant or have place trashed.
Do not forget if a client states they can afford a loan they need to earn the amount stated as the ATO cross checks loc doc loan stated income with what a tax payer declares their income is on their tax returns.
Usually savvy investors isolate each property by separate loans with different banks for each property and may also use a trust or company structure as a form of asset protection.
Why Because if you had different loans with the same bank and default they can still seize your other properties to pay back what you owe them.
Claire this is an Australian Property Forum. In Australian Dollars thats about $738,530 – $1,559,120 What is the rules in Scotland towards foreign investment as the Chinese are keen on investing in other countries at the moment.
Cross collaterisation means that the security for the next loan comes from all your properties. ip1 value = $345,000 and ip2 value of $150,000 total value = 495,000 ip1 loan of $315,000 and ip3 loan of $130,006 = total loan of $451,000
new total loan $190k + total loans of 451 = $641,000 new total value $495,000 + 190,000 = $685,000 LVR = 641/685 = 93% LVR most likely LMI for next loan would be added to loan to push LVR up to 95%
in plain English Cross collaterisation means that if you default on any of the three loans you risk the bank selling all three houses to pay back the debt.
A closer look ip1 = 315/345 = 91% LVR ip2 = 130/150 = 86% LVR Some of the more experienced mortgage brokers on this forum would suggest getting a line of credit on the existing loans However you may only be able to borrow on LOC to 80% LVR but both existing loans are over this amount.
You will have to decide if you want the inflexibility and dangerous risk of cross colaterisation or if you want to wait to pay more off the loans and have the values increase on the existing properties.
It really depends on the loan Is the loan a massively negatively geared investment loan so when you pay off more on the loan you decrease the loss and then get less of a tax deduction. However you usually only get 30% of your loss back. So $150,000 * .06 = $9000 interest expenses pay of $30,000 SO $120,000 * .06 = $7200 in interest expenses $9000 * .30 = 2700 tax return opposed to $7200 * .30 = 2160 tax return so you have lost $540 in tax deduction but saved $1800 in interest expenses. This $1800 saved actually would come off your loan amount if repayments were kept the same So next year you would have a loan of say $116,000 before interest reduction and $114,200 with the reduction $116,000 I pulled this out of thin air as I do not know how much you are normally paying off loan in a year. now $114,200 * .06 = $6852 the following year in interest charges. You get a compounding effect from reducing the loan while keeping the repayment the same. This over 10 years can save you a lot of interest.
Lets take the $30,000 and put it in a bank Year one $30,000 * .05 = $1500 – Taxed at 30% = $450 = $1050 minus 2% for CPI = 600 equals $450 in real terms Year two $31,050 * .05 = $1552 – taxed at 30% = $465.50=$1086.40 year three $32136 * 0.05 = $1606 taxed at 30% = $482.40 = $1123.60 After ten years this will grow to $40886 and tax at $613 p/a However $30,000 is no longer worth $30,000 after ten years . It doesn't buy the same as it did ten years ago due to inflation. Based on a 2% CPI you have really only made $4317 as $36569 is what buys $30,000 in ten years time due to inflation. However the tax man doesn't use indexation on savings interest earned so it really is probably about 3% a year in interest you are earning even though tax is on the 5% interest.
Back to the loan while you have been saving money off the loan the property would have been going up in value over the ten years. Say loan was $300,000 and you paid of an extra $30,000 interest before $30,000 equals $111,774 after total interest is $96,389 you save $15,000 in interest over twenty years due to compound effect.
you could use an offset facility to get more flexibility.
I am looking at an IP which would be my first one, situated in south Brisbane.It consists of 2 lowset brick units on one title, both units consisting of one bedroom, large ensuite bathroom, open plan kitchen/lounge area and small outdoor covered area and both units are air conditioned.
Both units are tenanted to long term retirees and currently returning a combined rent of $370 per week. Body corporate fees are approx. $3880 per annum, council rates of approx. $2700 per annum
cash flow should be considered
Rental income is $19240
total income = $19240 – $3880 – 2700 – insurance ? – interest on loan required – water rates
Will tenants be able to afford rental price increases over future time period?
Will you be able to afford any interest rate increases on the loan.
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