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HI Tiger,
Not sure where you get the 'likely to give 4% growth figure from" as growth is not predictable.
Median house prices in Melb went from $40,800 (Dec 1980) to $565,000 (Dec 2010) which equates to a long term growth rate of approx 9%/annum. Now this is not to say a similar result will be achieved in the next period of time. Source REIA.
The Melbourne market has done pretty well over the past three years or so and probably due to run out fo steam pretty soon. Certainly this has been the norm in markets such as Perth, Brisbane, Sydney, Darwin etc which have a drop off or extended flat period after a price surge during the last 10 years.
I don't see Melbourne being any different to these cities and fully expect Melb prices to stagnate at best.
So while negative gearing is a strategy employed by higher income earners the tax saving in the top bracket is still only ~50c in the $1. That is OK in a period of growth and if you are in the top tax bracket but not at other times IMO.
This then brings us to rental returns. Rents rise and fall on the basic supply and demand equation. Over the past 12 months Melb vacancy rate has gone from 3.3% (Dec 2010) to 4.4% (Dec 2011) so I expect the potential for rent increases in the short and medium term are somewhat limited IMO.
To summarise at 4% growth (predicted) and 4% rent return it could be sometime before you appreciate the benefits of property investment decisions in the Melb market.
My thoughts only!
Hi Oceans,
Emergency Services is a terrific service industry and I must admit I don't know salaries etc or job prospects but if you are alwyas limited by a 'low' income you may need to get creative in order to keep the income and growth coming in along the way.
Given you are a low income earner this would suggest negative gearing is definately not a strategy for you. Value adding and/or cashflow will be the way for you to go.
Not easy – but if you really want it.
Hope this helps.
Hi Mackka,
Therein lies a problem – not all experts are created equal and sometimes differentiating between the two is a challenge in itself.
Pretty important your broker is also a property investor too. Be wary of those branded mortgage broking companies – some of them are really just loan wirters.
Bit like those multi-national tax return companies. Yes they can do a tax return. But can they look after your tax affairs, probably not.
Hi Mackka,
Out of curiousity – were your loans done by a bank or a broker?
My experience and that of others I have worked with over a number of years is that banks are very certainly looking after their interests. As an investor I recommend getting a good broker on your team and if you 'must' work with a bank make sure you know what you want and what the bank is proposing.
Hi Mackka,
Definately step back to move forward – grab Richard's offer and review your current structure.
While you are at it you may find there are other 'better' lenders out there for you and your situation.
Hi JayDee,
You actually asked for more than just a repsonse about subletting. See quotes below.
JayDee26 wrote:1) The strata to this place is $1600 / annual, along with the council rates of $800 and water being $460 per annum. The rental estimate according to the agents is between $350-$380 per week. Is a strata of this high amount normal for a apartment complex in suburbia?It is not unusual for a developer/builder to set & estimate initial costs including strata, rates etc at a lowish level so that purchasers are not scared off purchasing. Often the strata company finds available funds tight and have to ramp up their strata fees, sometimes quite considerably. Don't be surprised if the strata fees increase in the early years.
JayDee26 wrote:2) I intend to organize the 10% deposit required via a bank guarantee. My understanding is that money in my account amounting to this 10% is locked until the date of settlement of which it is paid out to the developer along with the remaining 90%. If the developer goes bankrupt or does not proceed with the construction for whatever reason will I still get to keep my money?Will the developer accept a deposit bond? Not all do. Check the cost of getting a deposit bond V putting in your own money. The funds should be placed in a trust fund on your behalf. You will also need to check the sunset date of the contract because it is this date and not anticipated completion date that the deposit bond will need to be taken out for. The longer the time frame the higher the cost of the deposit bond.
JayDee26 wrote:3) I read somewhere that in some apartment complexes I cant sell my unit without the permission of the body corporate. Is this true and what should I do about this? I think this is known as a 'free holding' strata title which means I can sell if I want?Check to see if body corporate by-laws have been drawn up – this will answer this and the sub-letting question below.
JayDee26 wrote:4) I intend to stay in the apartment and take 2 other people since I am interested in a 3br apartment. I wish to charge per room, so with two tenants being present each will pay an equal amount to me which will cover the rent and water/electricity expenses inclusive. As a house share – am I allowed, as the landlord to sublet my own property in NSW. This is a very important question for me to be answered since it will help me pay off the mortgage.JayDee26 wrote:5) Now the tenants which I intend to take in should have their own access cards (security cards) to the apartment complex, is it possible for me to get extra?No reason why not – will come at a cost I expect.
Buildings with an underground carpark and more than four (?) storeys in NSW are not fully covered by builders warranty. Be aware of this.
And finally I would be cautious about buying off the plan at the moment. You will be required to exchange contracts before the bank has done it final valuation and before your finance is unconditional. This exposes you to changes in banks lending policies, banks being over exposed in a single development, LMI issues in a single complex, and the potential for you to receive a low valuation.
Search JackDI's posts to see what effect a low valuation can have on an off the plan purchase.
Hope this helps
Hi JayDee,
I would like to include rent return assessment in my response.
What is the asking price?
Might be something of use to you at this website too.
Hi Ryan,
From the ATO's Rental Guide
"If only part of your property is used to earn rent, you can claim only that part of the expenses that relates to the rental income. As a general guide, apportionment should be made on a floor-area basis, that is, by reference to the floor area of that part of the residence solely occupied by the tenant, together with a reasonable figure for tenant access to the general living areas, including garage and outdoor areas if applicable."
As Wobbly has stated above there could also be CGT issues to consider. The 6 yr rule may negate some of this – check with your accountant..
Hi Victoria,
Not a broker and would strongly recommend you find a good one.
You are right about banks considering rental income in their sericeability calculators – and some banks recognise a larger percentage of your expected rental income than others. This is one reason a discussion with a good broker is invluable.
In terms of moving forward & without having a borrowing calculator on me I suspect your income will limit much in the way of additional borrowings beyond the $550K mortgage you currently have without you being required to pay some (all ?) of this off.
You will then be able to use the security of your own home to establish a line of credit facility which can be used for deposits and purchase costs. A separate loan secured by your investment property will provide the remaining funds required.
Given you are reducing to one wage I would suggest a cashflow positive strategy may be most appropriate at this stage of your investment journey.
Definately no need to sell the house.
Hpe this helps.
I assume you have building with landlord insurance coverage. If so you should also have public liability coverage too.
Dispute over bonds will be heard by the relevant authority. If your property manager has good reports, pictures etc to prove why the bond (or part thereof) was retained the tribunal should rule in your favour.
Exactly how are you supposed to be liable for the neighbour placing illegal substances in the shed in your property? Me wonders how the tenant didn't know about the drugs in the shed or why they didn't report the matter to police. A colleague in crime perhaps?
Recommendations
Keep good records.
Make sure your have copies of your PCR & each quarterly inspection report and photos all filed and in order.
Retain copies of all correspondence with your PM.Then sit back – chill out & wait for papers to be served. Your tenant could be playing the diaffected tenant threatening you with everything under the sun in order to get their money back. Sometimes loss of money does strange things to people.
A question – how did the tenant get your email address? I take every step possible to ensure my identity is not known to my tenants. You employ a property manager to be your 'go between' – they should be dealing with the tenant and not you.
Hi Pat,
Not a broker so take what I say with a grain of salt.
1. Convert existing loan to interest only so you are no longer paying any of it off.
2. Add the money saved above to your $60K nest egg while you find our preferred new home.
3. Establish line of credit secured by existing investment property. Note this will not be tax deductible as the funds are being used for your new home.
4. Find home and take out loan secured by the new home.Couple of additional comments.
Speak to a broker so check that your current position allows such borrowings.
Try and avoid cross collateralisation of your loans – that is why I proposed the structure above.
It may be prudent to use some of your cash savings to reduce non-deductible borrowings. Weigh this up against the need to retain cash reserves for unseen eventualities. If you retain some/all of your cash reserves place these in an offset account linked to your new home loan.
I would not be adverse to selling you existing home and put the profits into your new home. This will reduce your levels of non-deductible debt. When you have moved in and re-established your cashflows and equity position then consider looking at an investment property if that is part of your overall plan (which it seems to be)
Some will say selling your own home and buying a different property as an investment afterwards will result in additional stamp duty payments – this is true but you'll need to weight that additional expense up against the benefits gained by reducing your non-deductible debt.Hope this helps.
JackDl wrote:Furthermore the properties around there were a lot cheaper compare to the one ParkTrent is selling bigger land, more bedrooms and brand new everything is much more superior than the Parktrent property the only difference is the parktrent one is a lot more expensive.This would go a long way to explaining why your valuation was so low. The valuer would have done the same research and has come up with a similar realisation to you.
As stated in anothe rpost.
Listen but do not sign anything – tell them you need to speak to your accountant, broker, partner, parents, financial advisor etc before you make a decision.
You are on the verge of making a big and important decision so take your time.
Listen but do not sign anything – tell them you need to speak to your accountant, broker, partner, parents, financial advisor etc before you make a decision.
You are on the verge of making a big and important decision so take your time.
Derek wrote:The way I look at it is as follows;The multilple building reports all identify signifciant issues – this to me, indciates lax workmanship in the whole project across a number of areas and now these defects in all areas are coming to light.
You haven't identified which state or how many storey are in the building. Be aware that in NSW (I assume the property is in NSW) properties with underground carparks and/or more than four (? not sure about this but the number is very low) storeys any coverage is minimal at best.
On this basis alone I would walk away – but it is not my money.
Oops type – basements should read carparks.
House and land packages being sold to investors are generally located in suburbs located some distance from facilities and in suburbs with a domination of first home owners.
If your suburb is largely made up of first home owners you'll be exposed to their financial situation. Bearing in mind FHB tend to be highly leveraged and over capitalised and are exposed to interest rate movements.
The other strategy marketign companies often use is 'you'll save' stamp duty because stamp duty is only levied on the land value and not the finished product.
You'll also need to investigate the backgroun of the building company. On time – on budget is essential as you'll have interest to pay on your block loan and also on your draw down payments. How ill you feel seeing all of the money going out the door without any income coming in during construction?
If this is your first property – make sure you are mentally prepared for delays, no income etc before you enter the contract.
The way I look at it is as follows;
The multilple building reports all identify signifciant issues – this to me, indciates lax workmanship in the whole project across a number of areas and now these defects in all areas are coming to light.
You haven't identified which state or how many storey are in the building. Be aware that in NSW (I assume the property is in NSW) properties with underground basements and/or more than four (? not sure about this but the number is very low) storeys any coverage is minimal at best.
On this basis alone I would walk away – but it is not my money.
Hi Young,
Wow – lots of questions.
Darwin looks to offer some reasonable capital growth prospects in the near future. It wasn't that long ago that Darwin was very expensive so you'll need to consider whether or not it can resume forward momentum again in the near future. It is not always a given – Sydney as a single market wallowed for a number of years after their surge in prices in 2002/03.
The borad concept of buying a shared rental facility is sound and taking advantage of first owner incentives is a wise move along the lines you have described.
Congratulations on saving such a large deposit – you will probably find your lower wage will heavily reduce your borroing capacity and a sizeable deposit will be required. Speak to a good broker about this situation. I am not a broker but the projected rental income may be required to sustain the required borrowings.
As a rule of thumb most markets tend to move as a whole unless you are able to utilise some renovation or cosmetic repair or specific improvements to the property to accelarate the growth of the area. Some people swear by buying older and adding value whereas others are content to buy newsih and track the market.
Hope this helps.
matthewp wrote:This is a good point. My property in Canberra has a loan of about $230,000 but my rent is $400 pw. Does that mean I'm close to positively geared? Is it likely that I'm still negative gearing now, but after tax and depreciation, I'll be in a positive cash flow position? I've heard this is the most desirable, as you don't pay tax on any profits, but still make a profit at tax time… I'm also nearing 100k per annum which is why I want to purchase another investment property.Hi Matthew,
Based on numbers provided.
Annual rent is 52 X $400 = $20,800
Loan Interest @ 6.8% (estimating) = $15,600
Property Managerment Fees @10% (estimation) = $2080
Rates (Estimation Water & Council) = $3000Gives you a surplus of $80/annum.
Maintenance, strata costs (if relevant) woould tip you into negative cashflow territory.
Depreciation, if relevant, would provide tax relief and create positive cashflow (after tax) situation)
In effect you have an asset costing you very little irresepctive of tax savings.
Another property should be affordable if that is your plan.