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Sell at the 540k with “mortgage like capital amount reductions” in the paperwork.
Set it up for a longer term, like 7 to 10 years.
Pay all the money received off the underlying loan.
I would also pay an extra 10k a year off the underlying mortgage so that when the time comes for the buyer to settle there is no underlying shortfall.
This is not about making money from the property, its about saving your butt.
I love the SHO idea. I have been involved with only one back in the 1990’s. They provided the finance
Great idea, but seek very good legal advice on how you set it up as there are very different implications of liability if your name is on title or not.
This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by David Siacci.
If your buying then the tax is not your issue
However, for the seller it will be assessed according to the contract date, unless its his primary place of residence which means the money is exempt.
If its not his PPR then it will attract the tax on the whole amount accordingly unless they are in the business of Vendor Finance, then its taxed as it comes in.
As always clarify this with your accountant and or solicitor as this may be out dated now as things change regularly…
Selling properties using lease options is a great way to balance out your property portfolio, especially if you have negative geared properties as well. By including positive cash flow strategies you can even out the shortfalls of the capital growth properties and basically have your cake and eat it too.
Properly formattted paperwork with correct terminology is vital as there is a lot of consumer attention around lease options and vendor finance in general. It also needs to have a properly formatted contract of sale attached to your lease option or it will not conform and leave you open to possible litigation.
Advertising the property you have sale can be done online and there are a number of avenues such as http://www.buywithoutabank.com.au and http://www.renttoown.com.au. You can pay for packages on realestate.com.au and domain.com.au through various agents. Using local papers and signs are a good way to attract the attention of people in your local area.
Finding the client is the easy step, qualifying your client properly is the tricky one. You need to ensure that you have properly qualified client and ensure they can afford the property, as well as be in a position where they can be reasonably expected to achieve a bank loan to purchase the property before the end of the option period.
Things like setting the price upfront and structuring the payment correctly – then wording that in your lease option contract is extremely important and the wording you use will either make or break the transaction if it goes south.
As I said earlier selling houses on lease options is a great strategy for creating cash flow for balance in your property portfolio to help you achieve your goals in a shorter period of time.
We charge the buyer a weekly premium equivalent to 1/52 of the annualised cost of Council rates, water rates, building insurance and any other statutory charges related to the property. If it is an apartment there will also be body corporate fees that need to be included in this amount. On some properties this is around $40 a week but on others it is up around $70 a week and I have seen higher.
As you are looking at doing rent to own/lease options there is no licensing requirement for you to sell your own property in this fashion.
Licensing is only required if you look at using credit contracts and getting that licence is virtually impossible, or if you are looking at selling properties you do not own without having a sufficient financial interest.One is called an Australian Credit Licence and the other that you may need is a Real Estate Agent Licence.
As you will be doing lease options, as mentioned above, you will need paperwork that is made up of a standard residential lease and an option to purchase for your client. I would not use any kind of pro forma paperwork for this purpose and would use a solicitor knows what they are doing (has done many lease options before). There are certain types requirements that you need to meet with the paperwork to keep you “out of hot water”.
Also, as mentioned, a contract of sale needs to be attached to your lease option. But if you use the right solicitor you don’t need to concern yourself with those types of issues as they will put together paperwork in the correct fashion to suit each individual transaction as you do them. We have done a great deal of vendor finance transactions in the form of lease options, instalment contracts, joint ventures, deposit finance etc and we see the legal paperwork as a quasi-insurance policy and pay for a new one each property/each client. Properly formatted and correctly worded paperwork will save your ass many times over.
You can manage it yourself as it is your property. There are a number of ways to collect your funds from the client, the best way by far is the use a business like Integra Pay/Links Pay to direct debit the funds from the client bank account on a weekly basis. We have found that if you leave making the payment up to the client, quite often you will not receive it and it causes more headaches and is worth. If you want to get it managed there are a couple of companies that specialise in managing lease option and instalment contract properties. You can contact one of these companies by email at [email protected]. They manage a couple of hundred vendor finance contracts across the country.
When you are setting up your lease option you need to set your price upfront. Setting moving goalposts will cause a great deal of headaches for your client and if they choose to go for legal advice on the contract as a disgruntled person you will find yourself neck deep in “you know what” as the laws surrounding these transactions are vague but are very consumer driven.
Considerations around how you set up your underlying loan (fixed or non-fixed and for a period of time) and also the term of the lease option itself for your client a very important and need to take into account things such as their viability to achieve getting a bank loan within the option period.What payment are you going to charge and how do you structure that payment regime so that is both their for your client and profitable for yourself. Have you deal with interest rate rise/drop and also ongoing cost such as rates and insurance.
It is easy to say I just want to do lease options or instalment contracts but there is a lot more to it than people think and if you mess it up and are a little bit unlucky with the client you choose then you will have a very negative experience and it doesn’t need to be like that.
If you set up your lease option is correctly (or as good as can be done) the returns a very good. It is way better than renting a property and is definitely far more profitable than just selling a property through an agent.
It is very important that you get it right as the legal climate (being very consumer orientated) will not work in your favour. There is a great deal of information on my blog at http://www.siaccisystem.com.au.
This is getting a bit long so I had better stop now. I really do like creative vendor terms sales so I can ramble on the rages about them.
David siacci
This reply was modified 8 years, 9 months ago by David Siacci.
Coucil are fee collectors. Chances are you will have little problem getting a permit for building someting simle like a carprt over the easment. It should take about 12 weeks and a couple of thousand dollars. Oh I would still do it in concrete
Do they own them outright or is there a loan?
If there is no loan ask them to sell one to you and register as first mortgage. They have good security and an income in the form of interest. Buy the other one as you were going to.
If there is a loan offering a couple of thousand as option fee(not refundable) or covering outgoings during the option period may satisfy their needs.
You know there are tonnes of differing scenarios and they all effect the offer you will make to satisfy what they need.
From the people I know, the majority of VF transactions in QLD have long been Lease Options. Done with a reasonable amount of due diligence very few are going to end up anywhere near court anyway.
The name of the legislation you mention should tell you how you will be treated by the law. national CONSUMER credit PROTECTION act. The legislation tells you of a raft of compulsory compliance processes. It does not provide you with them or give you – the business – guidance. its not written for the business, its written for the consumer. If you end up with a complaint with the EDR schemes, you can count on rough treatment as well.
There is a good and not so good reasons for using both.
It really is only 1 person telling us how bad LO’s are. Look past all the crap and make your own decision. Go to a VFA meeting and ask people that do them, skip the hearsay.
Dave Siacci
Vendor Finance/Terms Property on Facebook
At the last couple of Vendor Finance Association meetings this strategy has been a hot topic. The difference being the property is not purchased, maximizing profit by not paying stamps and giving more leeway for the numbers. Why buy when your goal is to onsell in the short term….
When selling via VF a realistic selling price is always preferential or your starting a transaction that will probably be doomed to fail. Keep the price real.
In theory you can charge what you like as the market value of a property is supposed to to be what a buyer and a seller agree upon. However in the Australian Socialist System this will not fly. Choice has to a large degree has been removed form the hands of the consumer and a professional (like a valuer or dare I say a real estate agents) opinion will be relied upon should external forces become involved.
Keep the price real and you will still make a nice profit over the term of the transaction
What your describing is different to the deposit builder. Your talking about Deposit Finance.
You will need a lender that will approve the finance for the larger portion ans well as accept the payments they make on the deposit. This used to be relatively easy as far as ‘different’ goes. With tightening of the credit laws it may be more more difficult.
You could set it up as a loan agreement with a caveat on title or as a registered second mortgage. I could be the loan agreement you have is an unregistered second mortgage as well, in which case you would show your interest via a caveat…
If this Deposit amount is a loan then if you try to do it more than once you will most likely need to have a credit licence. Ask your solicitor about the legals on that.
Dave Siacci
Facebook Discussion Group: Vendor Finance/Terms Property
The Deposit Builder Strategy (“the Strategy”)
by Lewis Obrien
This article explores the merits of the Strategy and examines whether it is likely to be effective in avoiding the requirement of the National Consumer Credit Code (“the Code) that vendors in the business of selling residential real estate to consumers under vendor terms contracts (aka instalment sales agreements) obtain an Australian Credit Licence. Whilst some of the legal concepts are complicated, I have tried to explain them as simply as possible.
I should make the point at the outset that lease option agreements (or rent to buy arrangements) do not typically involve interest being charged and therefore do not generally attract the operation of the Code or the need for an Australian Credit Licence.
The Strategy
The Deposit Builder Strategy was launched in 2013 as a solution for those investors who wished to sell residential property on vendor terms (aka instalment sales agreements) but did not have an Australian Credit Licence.
The Strategy involves a property being sold under a standard contract of sale. Whilst the contract provides for a 10% deposit, this is paid in instalments over an extended period – say two years – after which time the purchaser is supposed to pay the remaining 90% with the assistance of a bank loan. The purchaser takes possession of the property shortly after the contract is signed under a Licence to Occupy. The purchaser pays a separate amount as rent under the Licence to Occupy.
The promoters of the Strategy argue that no interest is being charged and the instalments due under the contract total a deposit of no more than 10% the Code cannot apply. Specific mention is made of Section 10 of the Code which provides that the Code will apply to contracts for the sale of land where the purchaser moves in before they get title and makes payments (other than a deposit of no more than 10%) without getting the title to the property. As no payments, other than the deposit, are made they argue the Code cannot apply.
The Analysis
The problems begin with section 10(3) of the Code which says that if the contract is subject to the Code section 10 doesn’t mean that it is outside the Code.
Hence, we need to go back to basics. Under the Code, the test of whether interest is being charged is whether there is a charge for deferring payment of a debt. That is, if I allow you to repay the $100.00 you owe me in a month’s time there is no charge and hence no interest. On the other hand if I let you hang on to the $100 if you agree to give me $105 in a month’s time, then there is a charge for deferring payment and hence interest.
In the context of the Strategy, it makes no sense to sell a house at today’s price on the basis that I get paid in two years time. It is implicit that I will set a higher price for the house, knowing that I won’t get my money for two years and / or that house prices may increase over two years. Hence there is a charge for deferring the payment of the 90% – being the amount by which the contract price exceeds the market value of the property. This means the purchaser is paying interest. For what it is worth, the fact that the 90% is payable in two years means that payment is deferred.
Put another way, selling a property using the Strategy will usually involve charging a premium for allowing the purchaser to pay in two years – and hence the vendor is charging the equivalent of interest. If the vendor does this a number of times then the vendor is in the business of charging interest to consumers, is subject to the Code and needs an Australian Credit Licence.
In words extracted from the Explanatory Memorandum accompanying the legislation when it was introduced to Parliament:
“Section 10 applies the Code to sale of land by instalments contracts by treating them as credit contracts.”
The Explanatory Memorandum makes it clear that the intent of section 10 was not to provide exceptions to the Code, but to expand the operation of the Code to ensure that terms contracts were subject to the Code. I note that the Victorian Supreme Court had already decided that the Code applied to terms contracts anyway.
Other Arguments
There are other reasons to think that the Strategy would not be effective in avoiding the need for an Australian Credit Licence.
It is implicit in the Strategy that the vendor may need to bridge the gap when the contract is refinanced. That is, in two years when the purchaser needs to refinance the purchaser may not be able to obtain sufficient finance to pay out the 90% (plus stamp duty) the vendor will provide some sort of bridging loan. This loan might attract the operation of the Code (to the extent that interest is charged).
A court may decide that the payments over two years fall outside the meaning of “deposit”. There is some statutory basis for the argument that a deposit is an amount paid prior to the purchaser taking possession of the property. That is payments made after the purchaser moves in may be found not to be part of the deposit.
The Strategy suggests that if the purchase cannot refinance after two years the term of the deferral can be extended for a further period without reduction of the purchaser’s payments. However, if the purchaser has reached the 10% deposit ceiling, the purchaser is effectively paying higher than market rent for no direct benefit. A court may find this to be unconscionable and set the arrangement aside.
In Victoria
In Victoria, the Sale of Land Act provides that any contract where the purchaser takes possession prior to getting a transfer of title is a terms contract. A terms contract which runs for more than 90 days must require that the purchaser takes responsibility for the vendor’s mortgage. The Victorian Supreme Court has suggested that the mere act of taking responsibility for the vendor’s mortgage may be sufficient to attract the operation of the Code.
You cannot contract out of the relevant Victorian provisions so this is another reasons why the Strategy cannot be effective in Victoria (to the extent the aim is to avoid the Code).
Concluding Thoughts
Given that the Code is what is known as consumer protection legislation the courts will favour approaches and interpretations that seek to expand the ambit of the Code (and the protection for consumers) rather than uphold technical arguments that seek to limit the scope of the Code.
I do not believe that the Strategy is an effective way to avoid the need to obtain an Australian Credit Licence or to avoid the operation of the Code.
I believe that the Strategy offers no real advantage over a conventional terms contract. On the other hand, I am concerned that being new, untried and untested it raises new and unforseen risks.
The above represents a summary of my views – albeit after having taken advice from a barrister experienced in the area. This summary does not take into account the personal circumstances of any reader or their specific needs and objectives. It is general advice only and has been simplified to aid understanding and is therefore not intended to take the place of specific legal advice.
The hospital idea is a good one except they will not take a house with structural problems, only a fully renovated property. Any kind of government contract will require the house to be in perfect condition.
If you go to sell it on Vendor Finance, I know that there was a fellow that need a few deals in Horsham for five years ago but have not heard of anyone else that is active there since then (which really means very little as I live on the other side of Melbourne). There is a guy who lives about 40 minutes from there who may be able to assist you on the ground.
The part about using Vendor Finance to sell the house rather than just taking a loss is that you can at least recoup your losses and probably make a small profit over time, like five years or so.
People in the country towns tend to be a little more resourceful than their city counterparts when it comes to renovating. I think this is due to the fact that in country towns everybody seems to know just about everybody and has helped somebody out along the line somewhere and owes them a favour.
Hi Paul, I am interested in joining the vendor finance association. I am in North Queensland so would be unable to make any of the meetings that you seem to have. What other benefits are there for me apart from going to the meetings?
The Vendor Finance Association is introducing a few new initiatives this year to help members who cannot rech the meetings. The VFA now has a quarterly Newsletter ( first edition will come out March/April 2014. There is also a closed Facebook Page so members can ask questions and get input from all over. As well as these there are also the meetings.