1. Set a goal (e.g. "This year i want to buy an investment property. I can spend up to X dollars. I want X dollars rent. By earning x dollars rental income I will still live well and not cut off myself from the world and work overtime everyday".)
2. Gather the information you need to get to your goal (maybe read a few books, ask a 1000 questions, etc)
Thats the best way to start – don't worry about all the little details now…..you learn by doing.
Buying negatively geared properties isn't necessarily "worse" than buying cashflow positive ones. It all depends on your goals, your lifestyle.
If you want to never pay anything out of your pocket, then yes buy only cashflow positive properties. But remember that you have to spend a lot more time looking and know that the capital growth, usually, won't be as high.
There's no strategy better than the other in a vaccum context. It all depends on the individual's circumstances.
There are people who have made millions and millions by buying negatively geared properties and selling with huge profit. Then there are those who have also made a tonne of money by buying only cashflow positive properties which have also had growth.
Don't be concrete in your philosophy of investing. Work out what you want then work backwards to find YOUR best investing arrangement.
That is, write down something to the effect of: This year I want to buy an investment property. I will spend up to (say) $200,000.
With a goal statement like that, you have something to work towards. When you have something to work towards, that's when you know what information you will need to get where you want to go. Knowledge is power only when it helps go where you want to go.
When you acheive your first milestone of buying your first property, then set another goal. Only this time, your goal will most definitely be bigger, better and more challenging; and you'll be up to it because of the experience and confidence gained from buying your first IP.
Unless holding on to it will cause you much financial stress and lifestyle limitations for a few years to come, I'd say definitely hold on. Forget complex analysis and heresay – just look at Sydney's property cycle for the last 50 or so years. Same story every 10 years. Booming for 3-4 years, flat or declining slightly for maybe 5 years, then coming up strongly again. Learn from history and hold on to it if you can, because you definitely will MAKE money if you do and lose money if you sell now.
But as I said, it depends on whether the sacrifices you need to make now are worth the potential financial gains that you will make later.
The sweet tastes sweeter after you've tasted the bitter! All the best!
Thanks Wylie for your response, much appreciated. Yes that’s what I thought – self-managers would definitely be interested, because why not, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
So the way I see it, the biggest hurdle to overcome is to get it “out there” so to speak, because if it’s free then people would start to use it slowly, slowly and it should then become popular. There are ways to advertise the website online, effective ways that work, so even if newspapers, agents, accountants are reluctant to promote it, I think it will self-promote if done properly. Self-managers, people looking for rent, and maybe even the agents (if it became really popular) would advertise on the site.
Straight off the bat, your situation isn’t as bad as you make it out to be. Your combined incomes are solid as you say, and you can probably afford to hold on to the property quite easily, even if you move. After you move, your financial situation will be probably be very similar to now, right, given that rent paid and rent acquired will cancel each other out.
The fact that you’re going to owe ~$380,000 on an investment property that you’re renting out (if you decide to hold) will allow you to get heaps of money back from the taxman at the end of the financial year, given your impressive income. You probably don’t get that benefit now, because you live in your house, so its not an “investment”.
Also remember that if you cut your losses now, you’ll probably end up buying another property (as you suggest) in the next few years and you’re back to square one with debt – but you would have lost $25k or so.
Given the above, I’d hold on. In 3 or 4 years the market will start to pick up. It’s not a long time when you think about it (See, I’m trying to convince both you and me here, I’m in a similar situation .
And remember…..the sweet tastes sweeter after you’ve tasted the bitter!
Hmm….ok, so if a tenant is qualified on paper but rocks up to meet you and he/she is unpresentable and maybe a little rude, you are not allowed to refuse?
I mean I know that people may call it judgemental, but when I meet someone, it only takes me a few minutes to make up my mind about whether they will keep my place clean, pay on time, not damage anything, etc. I may be wrong sometimes but I’m usually right, from experience.
Firstly, it’s great to see that you overcame your illness and have a positive outlook on life.
Your direct questions have already been answered well so I thought I might advise you in other ways.
I suggest you go out and buy “Think and Grow Rich” and “The Master Key to Riches” by Napoleon Hill. These books are inspirational and teach you how to use the power of your mind to turn your innermost dreams into reality. Very, very powerful books which are a must read.
Breaking into the property market isn’t easy for youngsters, obviously. To get in though, start small. Set yourself a reachable goal, e.g. “I want to buy a $100,000 house within a year” then hold that thought in your head, become obsessed with it and devise a simple plan to get there.
By starting small and setting yourself a reachable goal within a short period of time, you’ll feel that you’ve accomplished a small of your ultimate dream and then that accomplishment will drive your enthusiasm further. Your confidence will lift, you’ll feel like you can do bigger and better things.
If you are after capital growth, I think a house is the way to go. There’s only a certain amount of land on this earth, more can’t be built. And from what I’ve noticed land grows in capital value quicker than units do. It’s land vs airspace.
Don’t count on expenses for a unit to be less, or for there to be less headaches associated with a unit. I bought a unit in Sydney 4 years ago, and I’ve come to realise that, slowly, strata fees do add up and strata management can charge special fees (on top of strata) for fixing fences, restoring gutters, painting , etc. It’s generally out of your control, especially if you’re overseas!
As well, owning a house, you have control over what you want to repair or renovate. So, if your back fence is not in the best shape, you may want to replace it or you might want to see it out another year if you can because you’re (say) low on cash. Not so with a strata unit. If management deem it necessary to replace the surrounding fence, then you’re forking out, like it or not.
Those figures for your new place sure sound exciting – congratulations. I would like to ask: is it common for property with that sort of yield to be sold in NZ?
Yep I am all about balance – I own a couple of Sydney properties which are milking me dry at the moment so I thought while I wait for the next boom explosion let’s do something different and buy a property that will actually put money in my pocket immediately
So you are saying that most blocks on the low side of the street don’t have access to stormwater via gravity method, i.e the main pipe runs in between the two sides of the street, i.e. under the road generally?? And that’s why generally it’s not a good idea to do a duplex on the lower side?
I bought an IP earlier this year that doesn’t have access to stormwater pipe at all. As you’ve described, there’s a large underground pit in the garden and water is absorbed into that and eventually sinks in to the soil, i.e. it isn’t pumped out. I was originally concerned about this and done some research before I bought and now it seems to be fine, even in heavy rain. The garden never floods so obviously its very effective.
When I bought this property, the agent told me I wouldn’t be able to build a duplex on this site even though it’s 700sqm in area and 15.3m wide. That didn’t concern me as I hadn’t planned on building when I purchased. So you are saying that if I really wanted to, I can get approval to build a duplex, even though it might cost me a lot more than usual?
For us, we only get involved in their lives if they do the wrong thing by us. It has worked for us. I would hate to walk through someone’s house (even if I own it) judging them. I know that is not what I am doing, but that is how I would feel if I was a tenant.
I couldn’t agree more. I as a landlord like my tenants to feel like they are free, without some angry landlord on their back. It has worked wonders for me, and tenants that have come and gone have commended me on that.. And what you’re saying about judging them was exactly my thought as well.
However, I think I’ve come to the conclusion that I will carry out inspections at least after the first 3 months, in future. If everything is done politely and with integrity, the tenants shouldn’t feel offended, even though they are really being judged. That’s just a part of business and i’m learning that in business you can’t be too nice, otherwise people will walk all over you.
Yes obviously if you live halfway across the country you have no choice but to use an agent to manage the place and do your inspections for you.
I’ve always liked the idea of saving $20 or so per property every week and managing my properties myself. Usually all it means for me is checking accounts and ensuring that rent is coming through, except when it comes to doing inspections of course.
So I think I’ll make my question more specific: For those that manage their own properties, do you find that it’s awkward going round and doing a routine checkup for relatively new tenants that seem nice and pay on time etc? If not, how do you do it? Do you just say “I’m coming to check up on my place?”. It just seems very direct and official to me.
I’m thinking of white lying and sending a friend over there to “check out the place and compare their newly acquired unit in the same suburb to get an idea of rentals in the area”. Something like that but still I think my tenants will sus it out.
This may sound like a trivial issue but is there anyone else with these thoughts??