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    as its an I.P your valuation may be dependant on the revised rental income, and a roof restoration wont help to get a better rent.

    kitchen & bathroom is quite important for rentals. bear in mind though, spending $7k on a kitchen is unlikely to add $7k to valuation……..unless its absolutely repulsive like avacado green 1960's.

    gardens are a waste as the tenant will not look after them. likewise, polished floors will get trashed.

    the best bang for buck is without a doubt PAINT, but you have not mentioned it.

    render could help a lot, street appeal is important.

    you may find that a revalue in this climate will not be very high, so maybe option 2 is best?

    have you considered rendering & polishing the floors yourself? its VERY cheap!

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    why do you need to "upgrade" in order to not pay? more B.S

    "I think a better way to do it is to hold the houses as part of your superannuation"
    "But you can never get out of any tax,  All you can do is play around with the timing."

    yet more armchair expert comments from Scamp I mean hbbehrendorff. again all B.S

    if its ok with you, we will take advice from those WITH experience. 

    Its usually impractical to hold because you have too much equity tied up, and you need all your cash free to pay for the next deposit & reno. Even if you revalue, the bank will ask for 20% of the increased equity to maintain your LVR. eg:
     
    buy – 250,000
    reno – 50,000
    revalue – 400,000

    Initial capital required = 50k deposit + 50k reno.
    your equity was originally 50k (20%). to maintain your LVR, the bank will ask for 80k (20% of 400k) deposit. that means that although you made a profit of 100k, the bank will only let you have 70k more. This means you have 50k cash for another deposit but only 20k left for a reno. Then you have nothing to live on or make repayments, so in reality you have nothing for a reno, so it cant be done. you MUST sell.

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    leebee, thats awesome increases in rent. can you tell us more?

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    hmmm……..storing containers for $5 a week……..where did i hear that recently?

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    well Ive explained how to keep costs down (auctions, ebay etc) and do most work yourself.  I often buy tiles for $5/m and spend under $1000 on a kitchen.

    theres no point looking at a property that the owner doesnt NEED to sell. sometimes they are testing the market, "might sell if I get a good price". now and then you discover the mythical "motivated seller". someone who just wants or needs it sold. I tell every agent I know that this is who Im lookin for.

    I need to know that Im buying under market price, so that if i discover Ive bought a lemon, I can resell without losing money.

    my first reno was bought from a guy going through a messy divorce.

    advertised price was $239k, it had been on the market for months. It seemed very cheap for the area and had a lot of potensial. I acted disinterested and walked around with hands in my pockets, saying nothing (agents HATE this). At the end of the viewing I said I would be interested @ $210k, but since the owner probably wouldnt accept that, I should be on my way. The agent said "well actually he might, lets give it a try" My 210k offer was countered with 220k, obviously a big drop from the 239 ask. right then I knew he was desperate. In the end I had to pay 220k but I got him to do a lot of work to the house before settlement.

    9 months later I got a valuation and the valuer asked "i see you paid 220k, how in hell did you manage that?"  

    2nd was bought from a guy who had been laid off.
    3rd was bought from an old guy who was ill and just wanted into a retirement home asap.

    of course I didnt know any of these circumstances when submitting my offers, as no decent agent would ever tell you. I usually found out from the neighbours months later.

    A wise man once told me: " if 80% of your offers arent rejected, youre paying too much"

    I do 2 sets of figures. one is the actual projected figures, and the other is the set I show the agent. I convince the agent that I need to spend 80k on a reno when its actually 20k, I massage the figures until it looks like I have only a $10k profit margin. Then the agent tells the seller that they cant ask for an extra $10k because that would wipe out the buyers profit margin, so why would he bother? Its also easier to say "at this price its viable, but not at this higher price" rather than "Im a tightass who is trying to screw the seller out of every last cent". show the agent that its a business decision and not an emotional one. you are doing it to make money.

    In my real figures, I expect $10k profit per month. so a 6 month reno would need a $60k profit.

    as for adding square footage, thats sometimes easily done.

    my 1st reno was legal height underneath, but only used for laundry & storage. I created a 2 bed flat.
    my 2nd reno was a small house with a huge covered deck. I enclosed it in and added bedrooms & extra bathroom. it was also legal height underneath so that became a 2 bed flat also.
    my 3rd reno had an extension at the back with extra bedrooms for a growing family. I made this into a flat and sold to an investor.

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    there is another issue……

    in a boom, there are people who will pay extra for a renovated property. in a bust, there just arent.

    people seem to think 'renovating for profit' means:
     
    1. buying any random house @ market value
    2. spending 50k by hiring tradies to do all the work
    3. selling for 100k more than you paid

    the simple fact is, buyers arent stupid. they have all been watching the tv reno shows and think its easy, cheap & quick to do a reno, so why pay through the nose to buy one already done?

    the only way to make money by renovating is to:

    1. buy well under market value AND
    2. renovate for far less than it should cost* AND
    3. sell for market value or above

    * usually means doing most of the work yourself, buying materials from auctions, ebay etc

    There are people who suggest you can make money doing a quick paint & carpet replace. I personally think people who suggest this are deluded. you will find it very difficult to overcome entry & exit costs (and make a profit) by doing a tiny amount of work……..In this excessively taxed country anyway……….

    I try to do a $100k reno for $25k. I only buy from desperate sellers, and I add square footage to the living area somehow. 

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    thanks Mick

    are you in QLD?

    I assume the dropoff / pickup gave you time to pack / unpack yourself?

    Ive looked at 'pods' but their charges are a joke.

    Also seen cheap containers on ebay. $5 a week, wow!

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    a little knowledge is dangerous, eh hbbehrenhdorff?

    I giggle every time you talk about the share market like you're some kind of guru.

    you CLEARLY don't have the first friggin clue!

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    it depends on which way the market is going.

    currently the market is going down, so its unwise to do reno's for resale, as you will almost certainly lose money………and thats before you take into account stamp duty, agents commission etc!

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    "Worst case, may end up with a 5 to 10k debt"

    as I already explained, you could easily lose 40-50k NOT 5-10k.

    you clearly aren't interested in listening to someone who is an expert in that area (Ive done 3 reno's in the last 2 years, averaging 90k profit on each) and are hellbent on doing a reno regardless of market conditions, inexperience, lack of planning and completely inadequate funding.

    burn away………….

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    $7800….

    thats assuming:

    – you dont pay more to buy it
    – your reno budget doesnt go over (they always do)
    – your reno doesnt take longer (they always do) causing you to lose more in repayments
    – the market doesnt fall 3.9% or more by completion
    – it sells quickly and you dont lose a few grand in extra repayments

    and if you have a shred of confidence left, ask yourself:

    IS $7800 ENOUGH PROFIT FOR 6 MONTHS HARD WORK & LOTS OF STRESS?

    Here's the outcome I would expect:

    1. you end up buying it for $5k more than you thought.
    2. your reno costs $30k
    3. your reno takes 9 months
    4. the market falls 10% over that time
    5. it takes you 6 months to sell

    in that scenario, you would lose around $40 – $50k, excluding the interest on the credit card. weight this up against your possible $7800 profit.  then ask: how much better off would I be if I had gone to work all those days?

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    there is only ONE certainty in the market:

    CHANGE

    in 6 months we could be in a recession, then how much would the house be worth, and how much poo would you be in?

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    if you have no savings, how are you going to spend $20k on a reno?

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    you made a mistake. you set your house on fire (by buying a rediculously negatively geared property at the top of a boom).

    currently you are out the front, watching it burn, while asking "what should I do?"

    1. you could close your eyes and hope the fire goes out (ride it out)
    2. grab a hose and try to put out the flames (lower your price)
    3. watch it burn to the ground (do nothing)

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    Its such a crock that gold is the cure for instability.

    gold is currently trading at a 13 month low…….oops, I thought we were all supposed to go LONG once the credit crisis began? those who did have seen their investment lose 27% !!!!

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    devo, I hope you were not suggesting my post was alarmist & extreme. I was the FIRST to say "lets stop the 'end of days' talk & look for opportunities". Theres a big difference between staying in cash till the dust settles and preparing for the end of capitalism.

    best to wait till the knives hit the floor before trying to catch them

    Ive been watching people on this forum for months say "Im buying shares now, look how cheap they are!" and "NOW is the time to buy"

    now they are much cheaper. oops.

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    Bardon, you seem to be confusing a depression with a crash….

    the crash was in 1929, we all know that. The depression started in 1932.

    likewise the 1987 crash and recession in 1990

    history says there will be a 3 yr delay between crash & recession. Having said that, the UK & NZ are already officially there, and the rest are getting there fast. What does that mean? I wish I knew. Maybe information is spread so fast these days the delay is obsolete?

    I see futures are almost limit down again, so Monday will be interesting

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    didnt the depression start in 32?

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    we are at the beginning of a global asset deflationary cycle.

    all assets fall during this period, so just stay out of them.

    people who are 100% cash will be the only survivors.

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    personally I think we need to see a day where the markets fall 14-16%, the final capitulation.

    this death by a thousand machete slashes is getting old.

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