What about dual income – ie house + Granny flat ? we have just purchased one, with a 8.5% return. We have done a quick facelift to increase the rental on the GF from about $160 p/w to $190.
Everyone’s situation is different, you would have lots more to consider than just the “1% rule”, that’s for sure. Have you read investing books? Lomas, McKnight, etc? and scroll through the forums here as well and you will find heaps of info, different scenarios and people who are generous with giving advice/sharing their point of view.
You should probably ask your accountant, but just so you know, the stamp duty isn’t a borrowing cost. It is not claimed a deductible expense against your rental income, but it becomes part of your cost base, and only comes into play if you sell. to offset your capital gain.
We also bought a property this week, so it will settle 18/6 I think. So we will only be able to claim a portion of our borrowing costs this year. They have to be claimed over 5 years, so this years claim for us will be a small amount of that, representing about 12 days of the 1825 days over which it is claimed.
Hey Phorsha
If it’s any comfort, i am aware that property managers in Perth/bunbury area are a lot more expensive than what we were used to paying here (in and around Brisbane). We were surprised too, and tried to find a better deal, but didn’t really get anywhere with it. It was a family member’s property, I did the bookkeeping for the property.
oh yes, done all that, thanks. I haven’t fully looked at the tools on there yet.
I guess the idea with that report might have been that you can see the longer listed properties and maybe have some bargaining power. But no one has ever menitioned SQM on this forum except for the vacancy stats. So thought I’d ask.
GOM, or anyone(?)
As you mentioned SQM above, have you used their “home discount reports”? Just wondering if it is of value if one is researching an area?
Jeffro, see how you go but maybe you should start a new thread with your question? this one may have been started by someone just trying to sell valentines day presents!
Hey, if i could find a PG property that wasn’t mining town, we i would definitely buy it in my name, or do a trust. Just not confident enough to buy in those areas at the moment.
You have started to pay off your capital on your IP’s? Good for you if you already own your own PPOR outright. We are still working on ours, so our investment loan is interest only.
You are right, It is better for the depreciation the newer the better, but it doesn’t have to be brand new to get a good depr, I believe a renovated place would also get you a good claim, and there are probably other considerations or variables.
The thing is, for us, better to have CF+ than nothing at all. Not interesed in a big negative gear as it will handcuff us for future borrowing.
The other thing is yes, you do have to think longer term and what your goals are. Putting just in the higher earner’s name means you have to think about what that will mean when and if you go to sell – ie you make a Capital Gain and you will pay more tax then ( also the more deprciation you claim, the lower your cost base to reduce your Capital gain). And as you said when it turns around and becomes positive gear, you have considerations there. Most of the ones we are investigating look like they are several years off a true PG.
So there are many variables for sure, to consider and I think our strategy will develop as we go along.
House Call, you are very lucky if you already have 2IP’s which are positively geared (is this what you meant – you are making money, cash in hand?)
I thought from your original question that you were just starting and so on? I am a bit confused.
If you can go out there and buy more positively geared properties in your wife’s name, maybe you should just keep doing it. Just let us all know where you are finding these? It seems to me to make sense to put these properties in your wife’s name if that is truly your situation. (Or indeed, investigate a trust option)
We are looking for CF+, where we will make full advantage of my partner’s higher tax %. We will not PAY tax on this in his name, because our expenses might be higher than the income ie by say $5000, but when ,we use our on-paper deductions, maybe $8500, the loss on the higher earner’s tax return becomes a $13500.00 loss, which converts to a refund of $5130.00 (@38%). This is what we are looking for, and that’s what I believe is meant by Cash flow Positve, as opposed to Positive Gearing.
I believe that technically, positive gearing is when the income is greater than the expense(implies you have borrowed, when you use the term gearing). The income is taxed. If you make a substantial cash deposit, you would likely have this situation.
Positive Cash Flow or CF+ as it is referred to sometimes, is when your rental income plus your tax breaks(maximising your depreciation) is greater than all your outgoings. A high tax bracket and a relatively new, or renovated property may help to make this feasible.
no worries, I appreciate the discussion. It seems most people here do go through an agent these days, not sure what the history of that is as only been an owner a few years.
So far we have always met and known our tenants as well, as we are not just sitting around making money, we are hands on. So it’s people in the end, not just money that matters. Same should go the other way from the tenants in the end, to realise they are taking care of someone’s investment. That would make a “nice” relationship in a perfect world.
I may in future look at one of the rental companies, but i have a feeling that they may have high fees, therefore pushing rents up for the tenants. I have family members in a reasonable house nearby, who have had to cop huge increases, it is not always fair.
Interesting to hear your perspecitve. I think you are right, the agents can make or break the whole thing. I do find the that ‘rental manager” we are using is getting younger and younger and the other girls in the office are very young too, so no doubt they have not much perspective for either the renter or the owner.
From the owner point of view, we go through an agent because we have tried self managing and found that we usually ended up giving away free weeks rent ( people haven’t paid the rent and we were too kindhearted) and having massive cleanups when people moved out (again our own fault, to some extent).
Have you rented through any rental only agencies? you know, not Real Estate agency. I wonder if they would be any better, as the whole business is focused on the rental side?
DD, Thanks for that, we are real DIY people, but sometimes that translates into some things taking a REALLY long time to do, or worse, not getting done at all.!
GOM
Thanks for your reply, yes we do have an experienced broker, recently helped us to set up better than before.
looking at the stats that were talked about earlier in this post, it was helpful to note areas which are projected to decline in growth, or minimal in the coming years around QLD and NSW. Lots of areas tipped to grow massively.
We just had an issue with our 3br 1 bath in Bne (good area, close to schools, rail, shops)here, we couldn’t find renter for over 2 months. Finally someone moving in on Saturday. We’ had never had probs with that before – some say due to FHOG taking some renters out of that market? Not sure.
GOM
You must be pretty experienced with what to look for, and you have areas that you are comfortable with. Or do you buy all sorts of properties in all sorts of different areas? Do you invest fultime, and for how many years have you been doing this? I am interested, because i want to learn myself, and not have to use buyers agents etc. Though I do wonder if i should use one, to get the ball rolling in investing. We have had 2 IP’s and looking at 3rd purchase (seems like it was easier a few years ago, everything made money then!!). Always reading and taking in information, gather information from this site and others, books, magazines, a couple of small seminars. Tried to go with one buyers group, mentor type thing, won’t give any names, but they didn’t seem to know much more than I did, so that seemed a waste.