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    jcso99 wrote:

    Hi all,

    I am looking to develop 4 unit townhouses in Bayswater. My initial thought is to engage a draftsman/architect who would help me with drawing up initial plans to secure the town planning permit. Once that is done, the same draftsman/architect will get the detailed construction drawings and other necessary documentation to obtain the building permit. Once that is done, will engage a builder to start the construction and engage a contract administrator to oversee the builder on regular basis.

    Would appreciate your feedback on my thoughts. Secondly, would love to know whether anybody would be able to recommend a reliable draftsman/architect during the planning permit stage and recommend a reliable builder and contract administrator during construction stage?

    Looking forward to hear from you soon.

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    John So

    Hi John,

    It seems you have your plan well established, and the method you have outlined – in my opinion – is the right one. I would also offer the following advice for you:

    Spend as little time and money as possible in obtaining feedback from the local council as to the suitability of your proposal and the likelihood of council support. This is important in moving ahead with confidence. You can do this yourself, or have someone do it on your behalf. The decisions made at this early stage of the process will impact most decisions that follow.

    Try to find an architect/drafts-person that can take your proposal from this initial stage through to the building stage. This will ensure continuity between the concepts, TPP documentation and working drawings. This should ensure there is less chance of interpretation issues.

    When it comes to the administration and project management of the project, ensure you have a fixed price contract for the builder, and that there are as few "prime cost" and "provisional sum" items as possible. This will help control the costs of the project.

    And, of course, do your due diligence regarding price pointing and demand in the area you are targeting, whether the proposal is to sell for profit or to hold and rent out the propoerty. No use putting together a well planned project if there's no demand!

    Good luck getting your project off the ground.

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    In this case, who is "the developer" – you, the landlord/vendor/owner, or a third party?
    Generally speaking, the reward will be commensurate with the risk.

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    There's a lot of ways to make an offer, but in my experience this has been the most successful:

    Make a written offer and attach a cheque (payable to the REA trust fund) for 10% of the offer amount.
    Ensure banking of your deposit is contingent upon signed contracts.
    Do not negotiate for a period of seven days. Stewing time.

    This method encourages the agent because they have your deposit and can feel the deal.
    It also means that the vendor has something to really think about.

    I also had an experience whereby I made offer on a house on the day (Friday) before it was due to be auctioned. I then explained that I was off interstate for the weekend and wouldn't be able to attend the auction. I left them with my written offer and deposit cheque and had a house on Saturday morning. The auction was cancelled and I signed on Monday.

    I didn't go interstate.

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    bradmonz wrote:

    I'm looking to do my first subdivision/reno/redevelopment (yes I'm aiming high, but no guts, no glory – right?) on the Gold Coast and I have a few queries that might be answerable here before I start paying professionals: 1. To help with my search criteria, is there a minimum residential lot size for the whole GC City or does it vary suburb to suburb, property to property, DA to DA, etc? 2. Can anyone recommend a consultant to assist with some or all of the process and for general advise? 3. Anyone interested in mentoring a newbie like me? ;-p

    Bradmonz, in my experience town planning theory is generic, but town planning practice is specific. You've already got some good advice here, and that is to approach the town planning department of your council. I work in Melbourne, but have also done some work (including a two lot sub-division) in Nth Queensland. In that case, and as is usually the case, the land was within a specific zone that allowed (in principal) a certain density. Local agents can be a good source of zoning information, but they can also be a little "optimistic" so take their opinions as a guide and try to qualify those opinions with the TP department.

    Town planning law (and zoning) is usually broken down into very small areas within municipalities (which may alter from say one side of the road to the other!) but is ultimately governed by state planning law.

    There seems to be quite a bit of "informal mentoring" done on this forum – I know I get some great information and tips from watching and reading. To paraphrase the Simpsons…."I wish someone gave me good advice like that".

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    That is an interesting one! I guess someone has to live near our incarcerated brothers and sisters!
    If it otherwise enjoys good amenity, and the rental yields are sound, I would suggest it's well worth a look.

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    There's some great advice there Dreamer, and I believe an offer should always be for what you believe to be the right price. And that "right price" should be determined by research. And, if possible, that research should be unclouded by emotion. I have bought property before without knowing the vendor's expectations. But I did understand my own expectations. I guess I may have paid more (or less) than the vendor expected, but that's okay.

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    You can go a step further than that shahabr, you can arrange your own valuations and liaise directly with them. If you do this you will need to ensure your chosen valuer is a part of the board for that bank. If you think about it, this only gives your bank confidence that you know what you're doing.

    I'm not great with the technologies, so PM me and I'll see what I can do about getting you some info.

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    Bank valuations seem like a bit of a mystery to many, and most people are happy to stand back and let the valuation happen. In my opinion, a valuation is a crucial part of the property finance equation. I put a lot of work into valuation support documentation and find that a) the valuers use this information, and b) my "valuation" is always on the mark. I don't get surprising valuations – for better or worse – and recommend to others to do the same. It's important research for your investment, and it helps the valuer to come to the same conclusion you did! As a footnote however, this information I provide to the valuer is only "fact based" not opinions.

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    The earlier you approach the town planning department with your ideas the better. Having said that, you also need to have some idea of what it is you are trying to achieve. To do this you need to either be able to explain yourself particularly well, or have some basic sketch plans or land use plans to help communicate your ideas. Keep in mind also that the town planning departments also have objectives (especially regarding density) that do not concur with state planning regulations, so don't let them "pull the wool".

    The benefit of communicating early with the TP department is that they are more likely to "buy into" your proposal if they feel they are being included early in the process. The opposite can also be the case; drop a whole lot of documentation on the TP department and they'll have more issues to argue about! So in summary, go early, go prepared, be inclusive and understand your rights and obligations in town planning law.

    Hope that helps, and good luck with your project.

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    For the developer, this is an exercise in the control of time and money. One of these will generally be compromised for the benefit of the other. Time allows the developer to improve the value of the property through completing the town planning process (and picking up a little CG) whilst a lesser price is just that. It's business for a property developer.

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    This issue has bitten me before. My advice: get a sworn valuation for mortgage purposes. You can arrange this yourself, or ask the bank to do it for you.

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    The DA is the key to the future value of the property. Until you are certain (ie; have a DA) then it is opinion/speculation. It should be a more attractive proposition for your financier when you can adequately communicate the value at completion of the sub-divided property. You need to paint this picture for them clearly.

     

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    An architect or suitably qualified dratsperson should be able to research and prepare land use digrams for $1,000.

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    I agree with JHall's advice about the town planning department at your council. These guys are a great source of planning information and advice you can get for free. We pay them to be there to answer questions regarding town planning, and they are generally happy to help and at least get you pointed in the right direction.

    One caution however; in my experience, there is a demonsrable difference between local council overlays and development rules, and those of the state. It is as good as impossible to overide state planning legislation, but local council planning schemes that do not concur with state schemes are not so difficult to work around. This can of course mean that some of the information you may recieve from the TP department of your local council is not necessarily complete and transparent advice.

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    Here are some things that have worked for me:
    – Know the values by doing your own research.
    – Base your offer on what you believe to be the right price – not a function of discount to asking price.
    – If you make an offer, do it in writing and attach a cheque for the deposit amount. It will be taken seriously.
    – Ask the agent – straight up – what the vendor's motivations are. Settlement timing, change of circumstances, divorce etc.
    Good luck with your search.

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    Hi Leo,

    In my experience, cash does not have to change hands to trigger a stamp duty impost. The SRO would be interested in the transaction, and a declaration would have to be made as a matter of course when the title details are altered, so expect to pay stamps on the fair market value of the transfer. This would of course be better done when the property has the least value – before the development or sub-division.

    The type of proposal you are suggesting will become more and more common, in my opinion, as the generation that enjoyed the 1/4 acre dream hand over to a generation more aligned with higher density living.  And cross-generational ownership models will also become more common.

    You're welcome to visit us at the new digs at Collins Street – not quite as glamorous as it sounds, it's a tiny, but conveniently located office – and again good look getting it together. What you are proposing takes some work, but sounds like it would be a rewarding project and investment.

    Christian.

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    Hi Beth,

    You can pretty much throw (literally) anything into the concrete to act as an aggregate. Without getting too technical, concrete is made of cement, sand, water and eggregate. The aggregate is usually stone. I have used lots of different concrete on my own projects and you can either request the plant to add stuff to your concrete at the batching plant – like colour, glass, riverstone etc – or you (or your concreter) can scatter it over the wet concrete is it's being laid. After the concrete has set, it can be ground and sealed, which exposes the mystery aggregate!

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    In my experience it pays to do some simple research right at the start. Perhaps find a planner or architect in your area and ask them to prepare a very simple land use plan that you (or they on your behalf) can take to the town planning department of the local council. Butting heads with the council on planning issues is much cheaper earlier rather than later.

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    Hi Leo,

    Pretty much any arrangement can be bound contractually. In your case it may be worthwhile to consider becoming tennants in common on title. This protects the interests of your mother and your own interests if you are either tipping in cash or asking the bank to do so on your behalf. Later, if the property is sold in whole or part the owners on title are each entitled to a share of the gain according to their portion of ownership. There are of course more complicated trust structures that would allow the benefits to be funneled as the trustee (or trustee company) sees fit.

    These are not simple structures, so make sure you get sound advice.
    And good luck.

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