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Would love to have been there, will look forward to the next one.
Justin,
If you have a DA, in my opinion, you have an improved asset.
This point should be considered a potential exit point, or at least a point at which the numbers and potential risk should be re-assessed.If you are able to sub-divide then you are talking about selling land, so check what land is for sale in the proposed area and for what price it is selling.
Christian.
Julie,
It's great advice from Richard and Dan, but I thought I might offer another suggestion.
If you were to sell the property for $520,000 (and I agree with Richard about doing the cosmetic work) then you would have $180,000 (give or take) to put towards your goal of having an IP and PPOR.
You could consider using that money to secure funding to develop your own IP and PPOR. Assuming an LVR of 80%, this would indicate a budget of $900,000 ($180,000 + $720,000). It gets a little bit tricky from here, but stick with me!
You find the land in the right area, that is suitable for a dual occupancy. That is to say, an existing dwelling with enough land to build a second dwelling. Let's say then that you were to purchase this property for $700,000 ($180,000+ $520,000). The next step would be to carry out the town planning and sub-division works – after which you have two properties. This is also the point at which new values can be ascribed to the original dwelling and the proposed second dwelling. Let's say the bank board valuer (who you should engage) ascribes a value of $650,000 for the existing dwelling (on its smaller allotment) and $500,000 "value at completion" for the second dwelling as proposed. By this time you will have spent say $750,000 ($180,000 + $570,000). Your two properties – when complete – would be valued at $1,150,000.
Theoretically, you should then be able to fund $920,000 ($180,000 + $740,000, 80% of $1,150,000) and complete the second property. Given that $750,000 has already been used on purchase and planning costs, the build budget is then $170,000, enough for say a 120m2, 2 or 3 br dwelling.
At completion, borrowings would be $740,000, you will have increased your equity from $180,000 to $410,000 and have additional depreciation benefits (from a new building) to offset some of the tax payable on $170,000 pa. Some entity and structure engineering should see most of the debt reside with the IP.
Hi Justin,
It depends, in the first instance, on two issues: where you want to invest, what the investment goals are.
Generally speaking, yes you will need to sub-divide, especially if you plan to sell one of the properties. This is not a particularly difficult process, but it's time consuming, requires a process to be followed, and is easy to get wrong!
Do some research and check with the local council in the proposed area.
smoule1 wrote:Hi All,I just have a few questions I was hoping to get a little feedback on. I'm a 26 year old female living in Brisbane city. I recently came into some financial freedom, having a little over 300k in the bank and not sure which way I should invest it. I'm planning a 6 month overseas trip in a few months time and hope to have a place before then. If you were in my situation what would you do? Would you loan money from the bank and get a house and have tentants pay it off or just spend all of your own and buy a unit? I live in Brisbane city I would greatly appreciate feedback.
Firstly, all the best in getting back on your feet (no pun intended!).
As others have pointed out, you have what is perhaps a "once in a lifetime opportunity" to set yourself up financially, so be aware of the risks as well as the rewards. In your position I would probably consider investing $200,000 at 50% LVR into an investment property and enjoy a holiday. Once you've had a break and got your head around being a property owner and landlord (and the property is showing regular income) you can have a look at investing in a second IP using the equity, or perhaps consider purchasing a PPOR. In any case take it easy, get good advice, and put your money where it can work for you.I would have kept the following phrase always close at hand and heart:
"Successful investment is an exercise in the control of time and money"
Dale,
Perhaps look at finding an IP that is cash flow positive (you'll see from other posts that this is possible) as the rent you collect will become part of the servicing equation. Correct me if I'm on the wrong track, but I think Richard is suggesting splitting the deposit monies over two IPs, maybe $35,000 as your equity contribution in each case. This seems like a good strategy, and again would benefit from cash flow positive property.
Hope you find a way.
Phyllis wrote:Where do you find out block sizes in comparison to house sizes, alsohow big a block needs to be to put a building on, i.e. if you had a 1000m2 block how man units could be put on it
PhyllisIt varies from state to state, and from council to council. Strange but true!
It also depends on proximity to the nearest city centre, transport and community facilities.
In some cases the size of the allotment will also affect the density permissible.
Perhaps if you can give some details of the "what and where" there may be some handy hints on the "how".Another option is to "bag" the walls with a sand and cement slurry applied with a broom. Then it can be painted over, or if you're adventurous use a light coloured sand and off white cement (with some waterproofer) and leave it.
Bagging is a bit "rustic" but it's also cheap and effective. I believe the term came from the practice of using hessian bags to apply the sand and cement.
itch64 wrote:hi all,i am a new member to this forum and looking for some advise. I currently own a house in East of Melbourne. Our block is just under 1000m2. I am thinking about subdividing and creating a vacant block at the rear of the house size approx 350m2. I realise councils are the best place to find information but after finding this website i was hoping you could shed some light on the things i need to think of before subdividing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Planning across Melbourne is quite diverse and the rules for one area may be quite different to another. Your council's Town Planning Department is a logical first step (as pointed out by JacM) and they should be able to give you some valuable feedback. In terms of what you need to think about before sub-dividing, there are many things! Perhaps the first step for you is to understand your strategy (what exactly would you like to do?) and communicate that to your Town Planning Department – you can do this yourself or engage a planner. From that point there is a series of steps you need to take that involve planners, land surveyors, perhaps a draftsperson or architect, service engineers, and solicitors to name a few.
This probably seems daunting, but it's not so much that it's difficult as it is time consuming. Also, there's expense involved, and some of the rules are ambiguous and easily misunderstood. The rewards, however, can be great.
Hope this was some help, and that your proposal works out.
Property can be bought in partnership in a variety of ways, and the "best way" is usually a function of your intentions, be they investing, trading, developing, improving etc. Whatever entity structure you use, you need to be sure to document the plan and the roles each of you have.
One method you didn't consider in your post is a simple Tenants in Common arrangement whereby parts, or shares, in the property are held by the owners in relation to the ratio of ownership. For example you might own 1 of 4 shares and your friend/business partner owns 3 of 4 shares, or you might own 1 of 2 shares each.
As for extracting equity from your property, there are brokers who can advise you on the best approach for this strategy, but my own experience is that it's not as easy is it was!
Good luck with your plan.
I like this topic! And I look forward to seeing the comments.
The issue seems to be twofold from what I see and hear:- The perception that there is a great demand for 4 br+ houses, as in "I don't really need that many bedrooms, but I'm doing it for re-sale". This is a mistake in terms of our changing demographics. The demand is for smaller houses for smaller families that consider the environmental as well as financial costs.
- Design and the "not so big house". American author Sarah Susanka has made her own little industry out of this! It seems to me that in order to control urban sprawl (which I personally believe is important) we need to be building smaller, smarter, more livable houses. We may in some cases also need to get over the "good room" thing – you know, the room that only gets used for guests? When in fact, we entertain casually so the "good room doesn't get used at all!
Should I be looking to buy up small cars – I note they're plentiful!
You're right in suggesting that inflation will drive up prices for all assets, goods and services. The issue for those looking for property – as an investor – is to keep ahead of that inflationary curve, and produce some income.DWolfe wrote:If you email aabbcc he will email you all the details. If you do a search on the Melbourne get together you can find hes email etc, it's in the active topics. Seeya there!D
Thanks, I saw Adam's update on the other thread initiated by you.
Look forward to catching up then.DWolfe wrote:Christian will you be coming to the get together in Melbourne, sounds like you would bring a lot to the party especially in Melb with the subdivision bonanza that is going on!Thanks for the compliments on the web-site. Yes, I want to be part of the get-together in Melbourne (as an investor, not a consultant!) but haven't received anything more on the email. What's the go with time and place?
It may not be that complex. This could simply be supply and demand at work.
Demographers are united in their reasoning that there are not enough houses, or too many people (this was certainly not the case in the US and other inflated property markets). This would suggest that only a massive population exodus, or an equally significant upswing in building productivity would even out demand. It would take a long time for either of these things to occur.Estimating the cost of a renovation is notoriously difficult, but also very important. In the context of an investment, it may be a good idea to first establish a budget befitting the investment value, and then applying that budget to the renovation. In taking that approach you can at least inform your designer/architect/builder of your budgetary constraints in move your planned renovation in the right direction. This should shift your focus towards the highest priority/most important issues.
JacM wrote:How much does a subdivision actually cost? DWolfe you sound like you know a bit about the topic…Technically, a sub-division only costs as much as the surveyor's fees, town planning (council) fees and LTO fees. At may also be necessary to carry out a full TPP submission before a DA or TPP can be considered by the council – they want to know what will happen to the land if the sub-division is granted! Of course in practice is fairly complicated and requires the input of several consultants and someone that can keep the process in line! As mentioned elsewhere in this thread it'll probably take longer and cost more than you first anticipated. The costs can be understood and controlled from early on by getting the right people involved. The time….well that's another matter.
gaye81 wrote:Hi there I have been told that if I wanted to buy a property to build some town houses on that I would have to buy a property that already has a house on it and knock down the exiting house to make way for the town houses as all new land now have covenants on them which will not allow you to sub divide the land. I would be grateful if some one could help me on this as I am quite new at all this. I am looking in Victoria could some one please help. ThankyouMost new estates, and some older ones, have single dwelling covenants. These are extraordinarily difficult to get rid of. You can find out if a property is affected by a covenant by doing a search of the property title. As ever, DWolfe has given some good advice, that is to say most of the desirable areas for sub-division are the older established areas that are being progressively infilled.
Have you tried searching building approvals? They are not the same thing, but one should lead from the other, and the information may be more freely available.