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- Toyah wrote:
Hi
we have good equity in some properties but not much in cash but I am wondering if we can do anything to increase our wealth.
The equity is approx $750000 on property worth approx $1,100,000
but one of the properties is in NZ (I have converted to AUD for the above figures but no doubt it is worthless to us in Australia for the purpose of investing)
My husband is fully employed and I own a start up business so really we are a one wage family and we do have reasonable outgoings so no spare cash each month.
So with our equity can we do anything (other than property) to boost our wealth?
We don't want to sell any property to realise the cash as the properties in Melbourne are ones that we want to develop in a few years as the land is big.I am not investor savvy so little words please
Thanks
Perhaps you could consider bringing forward the development strategy to enable some additional cash flow or "wealth". This might work by developing one of the Melbourne properties to create a broader property holding. This way you could subdivide and sell land, you could develop sell part and rent part, or you could develop for profit alone.
There are financing tools readily available for this sort of funding as long as all the figures stack up. You need to build a compelling financial picture and delivery timeline and allow a bit of slack for the realisations so the financier doesn't have need to pressure you.
Good luck with it.
mpave1 wrote:thanks but what does strata title mean .and do you know how these projects are financed as i said we have our own home which is the one we are talking about pulling down and our investment property the idea of building units appeals to me
cheers mawsHello Maws,
1. A strata title (in Victoria) generally means a "title in section" that is to say in levels as would be appropriate for multi storey apartments. This definition differs in other states.
2. Projects can be financed in a number of ways. Richard on this forum has posted some great advice on this issue. The important things are always the security (the property and its value) and the ability to service the debt. More advanced financing mechanisms (like market rate facilities) can be used for bigger or more complex projects. In my recent experience residential banking seems to be about minimising risk and there seems to be a desire to shift anything larger than a two unit project over to the commercial banking sector.
3. I'm not completely clear on your strategy here. Are we talking about more than one property – a PPOR and an IP?
arms wrote:advice needed ,i have a ppor on a block of land i also own the block of land beside me ,these are on seperate titles but i have amalgamated both for rates reduction ,i also have 2 investment properties one i owe $142,000 (rental is $270 per week) and is valued at $265,000 the other i owe $192,000 (rental is $260 per week)and is valued at $310,000. i owe $280,000 on the ppor(both lots together)with a market value of $360,000 .the vacant block of land standing alone would be worth about $120,000 by itself ,now i want to sell my existing home on a single block of land to build a smaller home on the vacant block ,by selling the ppor i will be able to clear the debt ($280,000) leaving the vacant block of land debt free ,i own a small business that i have run for 29 years now and with all small businesses taxable figures arnt the best (if you know what i mean) last year with the gfc i ran my first loss for 20 years ,can any one see a way to get finance to build the new house while i am selling the existing home .i want to do it this way so that i dont have to move into one of the investment homes while i am building and loose the rental incomeTom, perhaps you could consider selling the first IP thus freeing up $120,000 or so? This should be enough to have the new building "substantially complete" and if timed well the proceeds from your PPOR (once you have moved into the substantially complete dwelling) will complete the construction. Then have a look at what you've got left and reload your investment portfolio.
Simply by doing 8 at a time you should be able to negotiate pretty substantial discounts using "normal" suppliers. If you are reasonably fastidious in documenting your requirements it's a simple matter of faxing/emailing as many suppliers as need be and entering into a little competition.
Hi Maws,
Welcome to the forum.
There are a lot of considerations in answering what seems like a simple question!
Firstly, the requirements for subdivision vary from state to state and council to council.Broadly speaking, if the covenant can be removed or otherwise overcome, there is nothing to stop you subdividing the land and selling a part of the land. It may be necessary to have plans approved and thus the property may have to be sold "with plans and permits" attached.
As to whether you subdivide and sell the land or demolish and build units depends on your own situation and preferences and of course the financially viability of the different options.
Good luck with the project.
Thanks Paul, you've piqued my curiosity. Where are you based?
Sounds like it's not too tough then. What you need to do is ascertain if the documentation is in order. Is there a current building permit, and if so what needs to be done to get a certificate of completion? Is there warranty insurance – you'll need this to be able to settle the property simply? From what you have said it seems that the documentation could be put into order fairly easily allowing for the property to be transferred. If you are serious about the deal you'll need to see your solicitor checks the docs thoroughly.
Hi Paul,
How much does it cost to set up an installment contract, and can this be done if there is conventional finance (a mortgage) attached to the property?
Christian.
All this talk about subdividing has got me thinking back to the theme of the thread: "subdividing basics". I spend a lot of time talking to people about these basics, and some things keep coming up again and again. I've attempted to answer some of these below, in the hope that it might also benefit people who want to understand the basics. The answers are reasonably broad but can be considered applicable to Victorian planning law.
- What is a subdivision? Subdivision can be broadly described as the creation of several land titles from the one parent title. This is usually when a larger allotment is broken into smaller allotments, or in the case of apartments when the land is divided both "in plan" (the bird's eye view), or "in strata" (the side, or sectional view).
- Do I need a DA/TPP to sub-divide? Generally speaking, yes a TPP (town planning permit) from the local authority (council) is required to enable subdivision to proceed.
- Do I need a DA/TPP to build townhouses? Again, the answer is generally yes. If there is only one proposed dwelling on a lot of more than 300m2 a TPP would not usually be required, however, if there are two or more dwellings proposed on any allotment, then a TPP will be required.
- Must I subdivide when I build? Not necessarily, but it would be unusual not to, because the land cannot be sold in its parts if it has not been subdivided.
- Must I build when I subdivide? No. One can subdivide with the intention of selling (or retaining) the subdivided land without building, but generally the Town Planning Department will need to understand what the intentions are for the land. This will often mean selling the land "with plans and permits" for someone else to develop. Even if one does not intent to build or to sell the land in the short term, the value of the land will generally increase when subdivided.
- How much does a sub-division cost? I always have trouble with this one! It does depend on the size and complexity of the proposal. Around $25,000 is a sensible allowance for a very simple 2 lot subdivision. This does not take into account any development fees or levies as these vary from place to place.
- How long does the process take? It takes a matter of months – allow 6 months to be comfortable – and in the case of a built development it is advisable to start this process as early as possible.
- Who decides if my proposal is successful? Ultimately you need to satisfy the responsible authority (usually the local council) of the merits of your proposal. This is done formally by the lodging of a town planning application.
- Who "does" the subdivision? The subdivision requires input from the designer/architect, engineers, land surveyors and planners. The developer (this is you if you are subdividing your own land) is the one that must direct these consultants, or engage someone to do so on their behalf.
All of this ignores what I believe is the fundamental factor. Subdivision is the process of making more than one title from one allotment, of having the effect of creating more land. This is why people should be considering the merits of subdividing. Whether it is a broad acre subdivision of 100 house blocks, a simple two lot subdivision of an existing property, or the construction of an apartment above a shop, the principle remains the same. You are taking one property and dividing it onto several properties.
Given Mark Twain's assertion that we should "buy land, they aren't making it anymore", subdivision may be the next best thing.
There may be an easier way, but I'm not aware of it.
Getting 12 hours out of each day means just that.Having said that, I believe the best thing you can do is plan and budget properly.
If you have a plan before you, you have the ability to pre-book trades to suit their timing more so than yours. This will be reflected in the prices the quote for the work. They'll also be grateful for the lead time.Have a plan.
Have a budget.
Have a timeline.
Have a sense of your own capabilities.
Have fun!Not sure if IKEA is in Perth, but I just installed a new IKEA kitchen and other cabinets and they were simple to put together and look the goods too.
Hi Tim,
There are plenty of these partially completed projects around (especially post GFC) and although they may seem compelling, there are a lot of complications. As well as the works to be completed there are also warranty issues, insurance, planning, and building control issues to attend to. The documentation can be expensive and time consuming, and as Richard alluded to, the bank will make their own judgements as to these risks.
Unfortunately what is needed is time to get the documentation and risk assessments in order. And time is usually what is most precious with these deals – the vendor wants a quick solution.
Hi GOM,
No, we don't yet provide dedicated services in NSW, only special projects, but we are working on it.
You are quite right, the issues is usually about where you start, and what is the process. There is always a process, and it's sometimes complicated. The bottom line is that in these sort of cases there's a problem that needs a solution, and a number of stakeholders that want to direct that solution!
And Watsonc, you are probably right about liability issues, however, with full disclosure I'm sure these are still insurable risks, it's just a matter of whether the premium is palatable!
Perhaps have a look at this from an investment position. Generally speaking, these sort of problems can be solved by way of not affecting the current amenity (that is to say the dwelling already exists) as long as you have the cash to solve the problem. Let's say that it costs $20,000 to solve the problem – this represents a solid return especially in light of the discount to market you are likely to benefit from given the "spooked" buyers in the pool.
It may even be possible to segregate the titles if the issues of car parking and private open space can be addressed. Without knowing any particulars it's difficult to establish what is possible, but it seems worthy of further investigation. Even if the works can get a retrospective building approval, there should be nothing stopping you from leasing the space as accommodation, although I'm sure there are tenancy rights to negotiate.
TPP = Town Planning Permit.
Sometimes also referred to as the DA (depending on where you're from).With exceptions, the rule seems to be that country properties will provide a better rental yield, and city properties a better capital gain. That's not to say it all evens out. I'm sure you'll get plenty of feedback on this from forumites.
Well sm, you're not the only one! I was driving through Dandenong recently and (after taking a wrong turn) was astonished to see the level of apartment development going on. Dandenong, as you are probably aware, is a designated higher density zone (along with several other activity centres) and the area is also enjoying massive spending on community infrastructure. So I guess it could stack up as an opportunity.
Arena has given some great feedback on pricing, and on pricing methodologies.
Design is critical in apartment building. Early recognition of load points, service areas, access and egress, and of the appeal to the target demographic should all help to create a successful project.
Two other minor points I might make:
- The number of storeys (or levels) a building contains dictates the statutory planning and building codes applicable to that building.
- Many apartment buildings are constructed using tilt slab concrete construction. Tilt slab construction is union labour. I don't have an opinion on union labour, but it can affect who is engaged in the construction and how.
Good luck with the project.
A five unit development can be potentially very time consuming and a strain financially. But I assume you already know that! I would suggest that you find someone that can help you with the process more than any single part of the process.
A well considered outcome will include an architect and builder (and perhaps a planner) and their opinions, but ultimately you, acting as developer, must ensure the continuity of the project. Get good advice at the start, make sure the buying and selling structures are right, that tax is properly considered, and that the research is sound.
The selling of "house and land packages" can also be handled in several different ways. You, as the developer and vendor, can enter into contracts to sell off the plan, or you could sell the land contingent upon the purchaser entering into a contract directly with the builder. Alternatively, you could build them and speculate. These, of course, are not the only options but they are issues that should be considered earlier rather than later.
I guess what I'm saying is that in my opinion getting the plan right, and structuring to accommodate those intentions, may be more important than the builder/architect question.
Good luck with the project.
god_of_money wrote:Does it require only a building approval, or is a town planning permit also required?Who do I need to contact to get an approval?
How do I start? contacting the council…. will give me a myriad answerHow complicated to get it retrospectively… the granny flat has been built about 5 years ago
The local council is the body that requires and/or issues the TPP.
A municipal or private building surveyor issues the BP.
In any case the council will have a record of the permit status for both the TPP and BP.
I say try them first and ask them the status. It would be fairly unusual for a recent structure to have no approvals.