Jay: Little secret…A lot of realtor aren't smart! I have seen realtors go on title to have an equitable position which makes them feel good about owning a piece of something. Then they try to control it. Then it turns into a disaster. "Tenant in Common" is not used for SFR's. I can't dignify much of it, because it makes zero sense, but it is a popular scheme.
The Business Dept with the state is not smart either, otherwise the number of agents would be 25% of what they are now. I'm serious, one out of every 4 agents seem to do something to constantly violate their responsibilities. And I've seen it in NJ, MS, CA, AZ….it is not isolated.
– Did you find the process of buying foreclose properties in the US difficult/complex? Can be…Do you really want to buy an REO and deal with worrying about rehab? Use a wholesaler. For instance (and this is not a solicitation , but we purchase 1-10 homes at a time, in many cases from the same seller. We get some discounts. The discounts basically cover our wholesale fee, versus what you would be able to buy from the bank direct. We buy with our own funds, we inspect, and we fix the home to rent-ready condition. During the acquisition / rehab process, we make the home available to our investors in our network. We don't require investor to close on the home until rehab is done and tenant is occupying. We have a proven concept, so we allow closing stipulations and leniencies.
– What paper work is involved? Contract and closing papers. Inspection report…Title policy
– What are the associated paper work costs? Stamp duty, taxes, insurance, etc? It varies. Not much
– Did you seek help from any local agents? If yes, could please tell which ones? I would get yelled at if I told you who was the best in the business
– Did you appointment a Buyer’s agent or did you contact the seller’s agent directly? There are so many ways people attempt to go after real estate. Use a realtor, or don't. In my opinion, if you are international, it is foolish not to use a realtor. Also, if the bank has listed the property with an agent, GET YOUR OWN. Agents are like property managers. Hard to find a good one. But you will know in your gut by their intelligence through e-mails or phone calls.
– Did the agents provide any help/assistance with paper work to an international buyer? As an agent myself, yes, all agents help with paperwork. Once a property is looking good, you will want to also inspect where the agent can offer refrerrals for inspections. FYI, it is now a law in Florida that home inspectors MUST BE licensed contractors. Gone are the days where you can just go to the courthouse and get an inspection certificate. Agents assist in the contract for acquisition. Make sure you understand the contract. A good agent will also have your best interest at hand. They will make sure the title is free and clear. Title companies are good at doing this and if you buy in FL, you will likely close using a Title Company. Post closing services include assistance to set up property management. Once that is in place, the agents job is done. Property Manager takes over.
– Time lapsed between the first contact with the seller’s agent to getting the keys in your hands? Depends…How long does it take for you to find a property that you want to buy? I've seen some investors like the very first one I send them. Others need to see 20-30 properties. Once a contract is executed, typically takes 20-30 days for cash closings. Oh, and if you are buying, make sure NOBODY shares title with you. This is YOUR property. No sharing with agents…unless you for some reason want to. It's a nationwide scheme…."put me on title with you and I'll watch this property like it's my own."
– How did you manage the payment for the property from overseas – did you need to involve the ATO/IRS? Wire transfer? Swift Wire. Banks have international wiring instructions.
– Was communication over the phone/emails sufficient or did you have documents courier back and forth or even personally visit to close the deal? I understand visiting the property for inspection but once you have decided on the property was any more visits needed? Phone / e-mails work for some. I have had this one client for 3 years. Never spoke to him on the phone…Only through e-mail and we have a wonderful working relationship. Others prefer to hear a voice. Get Skype. It makes it easy. Once property is inspected, property manager or realtor needs to do follow up until property is occupied by tenants.
– Assuming you had purchased the property as an investment, did you involve agent for managing tenants? Some agents also do property management on the side. Don't do it. Good property managers focus solely on property managment. PM is the BIGGEST factor in your investment. Your property needs attention and someone needs to be held accountable. If they are doing side business like sales, they likely aren't very good at either. Most good agents have 2-3 property managers that are reputable. Don't go find one yourself…Dangerous
– Anything else that you think I should know of? Only thing I can think of is "Cheaper is not always better". I think Jay Hinrichs and I both believe that there is "cheaper" and there is "trashflow"….Warzones are the target of international investors because there is a lot of inventory and realtors are pitching it overseas. I own a property in a warzone. It was a tester to see how it worked. I can't sell fast enough. In fact, I can't sell. No quality invesotor will take it from me! It's even hard to give away!
– I am assuming that paying for the property in all cash will be far more easier then getting a mortgage with a US Bank but am I even eligible for US mortgage as a Australian resident? There aren't any U.S banks or Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac lenders that will do international loans. If you find a lender, they are likely a portfolio lender. Nothing wrong with that, just know what you are getting into. Cash is usually the preferred way to go if you are Int'l.
Where do you think Tampa is categorized? SW Florida.. If you are an investor looking to spend $50,000 on something small, good luck in Tampa and Miami. The majority of people on this forum are looking for $100k or less. Find me something in Miami or Tampa outside of warzones that you can buy for under 100k.
Bottom line Kyle, is that this market is good for an entry level investor or someone getting their feet wet in the market without overleveraging themselves. It is a fine market / economy here in Lee County. I agree with you on the draw to Tampa, but not Miami.
Kyler: Yeah..Sheldon Adelson is a bum. I can't believe he is looking into Fort Myers to build a casino resort. He's just a rookie…He'll learn his lesson. SMH. FYI, he is chairman of Sands.
I had to stop reading once you said you can get a central 2 ton AC system for $600 – $800. I do my own rehab work thru my general contractors license. I have a straight source with AC vendors as all contractors do. I have never heard of a central AC system (2 tons nonetheless) for $800… Goodman, RHEEM, which many believe are generic brands of TRANE, albeit great brands run $2,200 for a 2 ton system.
Now if you are just talking about an AC condenser (fan unit that sits outside), a 2 ton still costs about $800 in the box…NOT including labor…NOT including freion charge (7-9 pounds).
There is not an AC technician in the world that would do a 2 ton for $600-$800.
Wait wait…sorry I just re-read your post…you said the total amount is $1,300 to $1,500 for install of all-inclusive 2 ton system. Still that is only about 60% of realistic pricing….what is the SEER rating. We are required to use 14 SEER. Keep in mind, property managers charge an average of 20% on top of invoice.
SOrry, I might have jumped the gun..I'm hungover from NYE last night!
Exactly! It's psychological warfare. Keep in mind, these thiefs are not smart. They have the education of a 10 year old. All they know how to do is roll up at night, sneak and snatch. They have found ways around cages. However, cages are working in our area for some. I just chose a cheaper alternative which has worked very well so far.
Alex: I know for sure we can't put our systems on the roof.. Raising it a few feet won't help..at least in my area. Then what's that look like? It looks weird. To you, who cares because the system is safe.. To future buyers, it may look a little off…only my opinion. I'm telling you…try these cameras!!
I have 3 properties in areas that require deterrent's on AC systems. My cages cost about $250 each. I still think its a good investment. I don't have pictures on hand of my properties, but check this out: FAKE SECURITY CAMERA
Mine were $10 each and I have 2 of them. I have one that overlooks my A/C and well system. And I have another in the corner of the home by the garage door. They have LED lights on them powered by 2 AA batteries. I was going to go with the more expensive ones that have motion sensors on them. When activated the red LED light pulsates giving a sign that "you are being watched"…
I hear CONSTANT stories about theft in my area. My security cams have been there 8 months and not a single problem. Tenants actually think its hilarious but at the same time honestly does think it is security, albeit, a fake one.
Jay: Great writeup…My in-laws live 2 doors down from Russ Whitney. He was the rags to riches guy, went way uphill, downhill and back and forth a dozen times… See my John T Reed response at the end.
I have seen others operations as well (one out of Salt Lake City) and have seen the boiler rooms. My opinion is that each and every investor needs to network, go to forums, get out there on foot and learn for themselves. Every investor is different. It is almost a guarantee that if you buy a guru's information you will be broke in 3 years if not less.
My personal experience: I am 33 years old, started as a realtor, went commercial, hired as an exec for a bank, bank went belly up…now am a realtor / investor / sometimes speaker. I made millions…tried to hold on..lost my ass and then some.. took a loan from an investor in 2009 and started buying / fixing / flipping…Today, my investor is paid back and I own rentals again at a much more comfortable number. The lessons I have learned are priceless beyond any book or what any guru could teach me.
Bottom line, you will learn a lot from experience, research, and pains in between (regardless of the degree)… At 33, I can tell you so many things what NOT to do more than what TO DO. Keep in mind, at the time I was investing in what I eventually lost, I was still living within my means.
I like to say I have that knack now and to me that is what makes me what I think is a good investor today.
The gurus like to talk and make it sound great..>They will even have Tony Robbins in to pump you up and put you into a trance that will give you the most ecstatic feeling in the world…Know why? It makes you feel a little better when you spend $20k on their seminars!
Long Island is pretty stagnant right now.. So are the NJ suburbs.. There may still be a significant drop in these areas. I am referring to the condo market in areas on the waterfront within 10 minutes of Manhattan by bus / PATH / Train. Inventory is down in these areas and absorption rate is 25% better than last December.
Speaking of Long Island, my buddy in Siosset (sp), a local policeman who has owned his house since 1992 but has since paid it off just sold his home.. 1992 Purchase Price: $198,000. 2011 Resale: $825,000. I was extremely jealous of the money he came into this year with that! One of my best friends so I'm happy for him.
Hudson County, NJ….Alex, that is where you need to look into multi-fam…
Alex: I just hope you're not from Staten Island! I can't believe you wouldn't consider NJ a "Real" place. I mean come on…Doesn't Snooki and the Jersey Shore on MTV sell NJ enough? No? How about the Real Housewives? Mob Wives? Not sure if you watch that stuff…I sure don't but you hear and read about it all the time and they are the epitome of NJ class JUST KIDDING.
Charlotte County is about 15% less than what most of Cape Coral is. With all due respect to elder folks here, Charlotte County is retirement capital.. Nice area and beautiful beaches, ie..Boca Grande
I do a lot of research on shadow inventory. That is the true indicator of what the bank has that hasn't been released or marketed. My data includes all Lis Pendens from 2008 to present, regular sales, short sales, tax sales, etc.. As of last month there are only about 1,300 homes in backlog. That is nothing. Lee County sells 1200 to 1500 homes per month on the MLS. I don't see another drop in homes under $150k..Jumbo mortgage homes, yes, probably, but not entry level. I don't care what anyone says about the national picture..all markets are different. Charlotte County has about triple that in shadow inventory.
Seriously, stop procrastinating and get down here. Meet my team and we'll celebrate new business with my private stock of Crown. And if Jay joins, I'll have something clear for him ….. Meet me once and I promise we'll be buddies for a while. Let's do this already…times ticking!
Kylermrice: If you bought a home in Cape Coral in 2008 for 35k, it either had defective drywall issues or was in the boonies. Cheaper is not always better. A good home in Cape Coral could have been had for about $60k to $80k. Today is about 10% higher.
True story here: Without naming names, I was director of a real estate brokerage owned by one of Florida's biggest construction lenders during the boom. My focus was emerging markets and by 2005 we were already pulling out of Florida. A bit too late, albeit. I'll never forget the day where the CEO came to my office and the look on his face is embedded in my mind forever. <moderator: delete language>
As I built a nice real estate portfolio for some executives, I became trusted to where they would share details about the bank's overall health. I was in the 6 a.m meetings where we were looking into our "money out". Almost every construction loan came to its 12 month term and the turnover to permanent financing was getting difficult due to lenders crimping down.
When I looked at the books and files over the course of 2 months, the first thing I saw was the obvious… For instance, the most glaring was a woman out of Long Island who was a school teacher making $53,000 per year fixed. She had 4 loans with our bank that all came to terms. Her homes were not even 75% built. Builders' fault? Who cares. Terms are terms. We granted a 6 month extension as long as her and builder agreed to pay us construction interest for those 6 months. Total amount of the 4 loans was approx $1.2 million. I simply said the obvious…."The market better not crash"
All of a sudden, it was financial panic…The bank execs realized the market was starting to soften and we were deep in the red..Too deep to do anything about it…
Long story short, our bank was taken over and shut down… Later came to light that the bank execs were using proceeds required to pay our investor to pay operating expenses instead…FRAUD. A year later, CEO hung himself in light of investigation.
Big bank took over…Tried to securitize and sell and failed… Goes with Jay saying "Big bank taken over by dumber bank"… We were just a drop in the bucket for the sub-prime fiasco, but I saw it first hand and will never forget my good friend, an investment banker with Merrill Lynch warning me to tell my execs a year in advance to go to Full Doc instead of stated/stated.
Crazy Crazy times…. Sorry, had to share the story… Thought it would interest some!
This is where my short sale business started…I assisted about 60 investors (about .00001% of our clientele) short sale their homes and to this day some of them still remain friends or clients…
Richard: I wouldn't necessarily say that. Some areas have some serious lingering issues, ie..Nevada..I have gone with my gut instinct lately though. Hopefully pays off big! So far so good
Kyler, That is a horrible description of how Florida is. Maybe you can call some pharmaceutical companies and ask why they are looking at HQ land in SW Florida. Why? Cheap land, affordable pay wages, and no state taxes. Other than that, I shouldn't dignify it much more. Seasoned investors know why FL is an attractive market.
Alex: Just took my 4 year old son fishing along the Sanibel Causeway. Caught some pompanos which are great on the grill, but witnessed a guy fight a 6 foot bull shark for about an hour. I assisted him for 20 minutes. I consider myself fit and I guess pretty strong. That shark kicked my butt. What a sight though. Then I wrestled the shark with my bare hands, put my arm down its mouth and took the hook and bait back….Swung him by the tail and launched him back into the water…Ok, that was a lie, but we did beach the shark! Good times for sure!
January works for me anytime, just give me a block of dates. I've got the Crown ready. Let's rock!
Alex, Thanks for calling me out because I didn't want to sound toooo crazy…but Crown Royal it is for me! That's my preference!! Hell with the rumrunners. January sounds good to me. after we spoke I figured that is when you would come down. I would be curious to know the general location of lots your Hong Kong fund purchased.
See you soon and touch base with me this week. We'll nail down a date.
JayH…You are more than welcome to join. I'll get the beer bottle bifocals off your eyes so you can see the factual state of the market I'm just teasing, but good idea on owner/management. I am the same way on bigger projects. For housing up to 4 units, a good property manager at 10% will do just fine for me. If you have a good manager, 10% is very reasonable. Unfortunately in my experience around the country, only about 2% of property managers know what they're doing.
I am both an agent and wholesaler. Come on down to Ft. Myers. I'll buy the first round of rum runners and I'll show you how good I am in this area . I think you will have a different perspective other than your google earth or historic number details.
Who cares about lots and the amount of inventory? If you are in Fort Myers (areas where people actually live), you will have to search long and hard for a good residential site. There are a bunch of lots in North Fort Myers that are vacant. Travel there. You will see why they are vacant. This area of North Ft. Myers is not all rural, but the rural parts are for people that like a lot of land, peace and quiet.
SAME WITH CAPE CORAL.
Construction is picking up nicely, not enough to stand on a pedestal and yell about it, but each month, new permits are increasing. Come here and try to buy a home that makes sense on the retail market. You will find yourself in a bidding war wanting to pull your hair out.
Your statistics are based on historic data, not current fundamentals. Fundamentals are way different today. Infrastructure support?? I won't dignify that since it is obvious you haven't been here in a while. I can't verify the source, but I know we are top 5 in the country in infrastructure construction.
Here's an article of recent news of our area. Let me know if you can dig up any verifiable bad news. It's hard to find in this area right now. Sorry, but things are actually looking very good here at the moment.
Lawsjs: I agree with Manhattan real estate. Problem is its too pricey for 99% of investors on this board. They are looking for affordable entry level homes for cash flow and upside.
I have a brokerage in Hoboken, NJ and my blog is http://www.NewJerseyRealEstateGuys.com. We are booming right now with luxury condo market in NY Metro area and NYC referrals. Buy and hold at 4% and sell for double in 5 years. Ok ok, maybe not double, but I bet it would be close!
Jay: That was some good reading. Unfortunately, I disagree with a lot you said.
There are NOT 500k lots in Lehigh. Lehigh is 16,000 total acres. So if 500k lots were subdivided, not including easements, etc, the lots would be about 1/10 of an acre? Trust me, there are not 500k lots in Lehigh.
Yes, utitlity expansion can be put on your tax bill. Over 20 years. Right on that
120 Homes from an Alabama builder? Hmmm…I can't think of a massive builder besides First Homes that had that type of inventory. And First Homes was purchased by K. Hovnanian for more than 100k per home. Yes, they got screwed and the broker that sold the package wound up dead!
You seem to say that foreigners inflate our prices and to not take that price change into account. Well, we happen to be in a tourism state and SW Florida is no exception. This is not a new fad…This is how SW Florida is. We have domestic and Int'l investors since the day our area was platted. Los Angeles, San Fran, etc..don't have the housing draw that SW FL has. Tourism yes, second home buyers, not even close.
"CA desert, AZ desert, and Florida" as you put it. Smart people wouldn't categorize the desert regions to Florida. I'm not even going to dignify that.
How many homes did you get burned on down here to justify your hatred for the area?? All in good fun, but you are way off base on some comments.