well, I don’t know the fair compensation figure, that’s why I am asking what is the fair figure.
say the 3% per gross commission would add up because the higher the value of the loans and the larger the number of loans written by the student. so it costs more than $90 for the mentor to check through the student’s paperwork? how many hours or days does it take to check the works of the student?
if it’s 20% or more, isn’t that more than the aggregator already?
let’s see,
20% x $3000 = $600 per loan
student writes 4 loans per month = 4 x $600 = $2,400 per month to the mentor
if the mentor has 5 students, that would be $12,000 per month to check the paperwork of the students?
this task obviously pays way more than my teaching at the university.
I would definitely be a mentor if that is the going rate :)
anyways, please shine some light on this mentoring requirement so new entrants can assess their situations.
is it the drop off rate on the previous figure, not the gross figure?
if so, is this the right method to assess the trail book?
Year 1 = 100k – (100k x 5%) = 95,000
Year 2 = 95k – (95k x 5%) = 90,250
Year 3 = 90,250 – (90,250 x 5%) = 85,730
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theoretically, this method takes many years to totally depreciate the book value.
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I think Mortgage Choice franchise is about $45k at the moment. it is not a licensing model. base on my research, the licensing models are cheaper and more flexible.
Corey,
what is that “x” and “%” which would be adequately fair for this relationship?
say if the aggregator find you a mentor and you both write directly for that aggregator, it would be simple for the aggregator to split the commissions, to avoid the bad stories. the bad stories deter other potential brokers from the industry?
I prefer the % split of the upfront commission, but the student keeps 100% of the trails. this way, the mentor has to work hard to help the student in writing loans. the more loans the student write during the mentoring years, the more the mentor earns, so it is incentive for the mentor to work with the student. normally the aggregator take 10% of the gross commission already, so what would the mentor take? should not be more than that of the aggregator or what?
say a $500k loan on upfront 0.60% is $3000 gross commission, and the aggregator’s 10% would be $300. would a 1% ($30), 2% ($60), 3% ($90), etc be sufficiently fair for the mentor to make sure the student write the loan properly? during the first year the mentor may need to help the student a lot, but I can’t imagine what else for the mentor to do doing the second year.
compare to the real estate industry, I heard that you get your Agent’s Rep certificate then work one year under a licensed agent, then you can get your real estate licence. why in the mortgage industry is two years? if compare to the university system, in two years most graduate students would have earn an MBA already; so is the MFAA trying to say that their two years mentoring is equivalent to an MBA? this self regulating requirement seems to be those who are already in the industry just trying to make it difficult for those who wants to come into the industry, and the lenders are pro this too.
regarding mentoring, what is the usual method for this process as required by the industry associations?
I have seen some programs charge zero dollars and some as high as $1000 per month. if it is on split of commission, what is the fair split between mentor and student? or can the mentor be paid a fixed amount or percentage of the upfront commission base on each loan settled by the student?
I have heard a few stories that the aggregator pays the commissions directly to the mentor, but the mentor just don’t abide by his contract with the student so the student doesn’t get his split. and the aggregator just refuse to intervene on the contract between the student and the mentor.
after heard of these stories, is it better for the aggregator to pay directly to the student, then the student pays the mentor. or perhaps the aggregator pays the agreed split to the mentor and to the student, to avoid the above kind of stories.
Ivan,
we are completed with the paperwork for getting the LLC setup along with its EIN already.
we are at the stage of trying to setup bank account in the states in the name of the LLC, and which Australian or American banks will facilitate the ease of getting money between these two countries.
what Ben has suggested above seem to be using an external organisation/intermediary to get the funds over to America.
the only American bank that we know of which has branch in Australia is Citibank (CitiGroup), but when we contact them they said each country requires them to setup separate entity, so they cannot help us unless we go to America to setup as per the guidelines in America. The other bank is ANZ which use JP Morgan (I think?) as their agent to do banking in America. We have not heard anything from JP Morgan yet either.
We want to know if there is any bank in Australia that we can use which has offices in Australia and in America. For example, I have an account with an ANZ branch office in Melbourne, I can go to any ANZ branch office in Sydney or anywhere in Australia to withdraw, deposit, and do all my banking works without the fuss. Does this exist on the global scale? I want to be able to deposit say $100K in my ANZ branch office in Melbourne, and be able to take out that money in America to buy properties in America from the ANZ branch office in America.
we don’t want to have to personally carry the max $10K to America, thru the airports. :D
there must be easier way, and what Ben has suggested above via a third party seems to be doable.
I am no expert in property investment yet, but with my limited knowledge here’s my penny of thoughts.
if you have good credit and has the ability to pay/service your loan, I think the bank would probably like you to be on interest only because it get more money from you. if you are paying interest plus principal, then you are paying down the part that makes them the money (that’s the principal). if your terms is 5 years interest only, that means after 5 years then you have to pay both the interest plus principal to the bank. but most owners will probably refinance within that 5 years back to interest only mortgage, the only lender I know of that do not let you do interest only is Macquarie Bank if you have done this twice already (total of 10 years interest only).
on valuation, unless you are in a down market or in an area that properties are loosing value then the appraisal could come lower than the price you paid for the property. otherwise you were too eager to own the house so you paid more than market value for your property. I think most of the times, the bank appraisal value could be lower than your own appraisal value (your own valuer’s appraisal). if the values of these two experts are too significant, then perhaps both are incompetent or didn’t go to the same school/read from the same bible?
so a simple rule is that it is best to buy the worst property in the best area, rather than to buy the best property in the worst area :D
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that means get an appraisal every few years if you think the value of properties go up in your area?
also does that mean not to go above 80% LVR so you don’t have to pay lender mortgage insurance (LMI)?
correct me if I’m missing the point in this example,
say I own a property that still have a mortgage balance of $300k but the property has increase in value to $400K now. That means I now have $100K equity in this property. If I refinance the property to 80% LVR = $400k x 0.80 = $320k, I would take that $20k to use as deposit for my next investment property.
due to the interest rate now being lower because of the RBA has cut the cash rate to 2.25% and most bank has pass on the 0.25% to consumer, is it easier to refinance now without proof of serviceability? say my above $300k property is at 6% interest rate, I now can refinance for say 5% interest rate without going through all the paperwork that many people hate to go through when refinancing a property. that means no pay slips, or profit/loss statement, and so on. it seems like a no-brainer to the bank/lender, that if I can service a 6% interest rate then how can I not service a 5% interest rate. obviously the current bank/lender may not want to refinance for lower rate, but another bank/lender would do this refinance without the paperwork?
This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by CharlieX.
terryw,
once I am able to write loans, I will have to sit them all down to understand the story. sounds complicated to get refinance or for development?
so it seems that if I am to buy a trail book, I should look for a book that has high proportion of fixed rates of loans?
I think the lawsuit will be more expensive than the amount of the trail I would be trying to get, especially I heard that appearing at the court with a lawyer starts about $10k already.
Richard,
when you said “property security” do you mean the title ownership of the property or the equity of the property?
say the balance of the mortgage is $500k, if the owners just get the paperwork done correctly with the lawyer, could they now refinance the property for $500k on the now low interest rate without any docs?
or they could refinance the property to 80% LVR or $3.6M with low doc, so they can do the subdivision with the extra money?
it depends on whether you can take the risk?
fixed rate good when you are at a lower rate than the current rate if it is higher, and bad if the current rate is lower than your fixed rate.
most people I know have variable rates on their investment properties, and we do too. it’s a risky business, trying to predict rate, but all come down to whether you can afford. it’s your risk range.
objective regulations are good for the industry, but for people in the industry to regulate themselves is like having the fox guard the chicken house.
The first requirement to be a mortgage broker is that you must be a homeowner?
I would not go to a mortgage broker for advises on homeownership, if he/she doesn’t even own a home, nothing against renters.
the same for the real estate agency industry too?
too many fresh out of high school going straight into these industries, advising clients on the most important assets of their lives?
even carpenters, plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics, and so on, require additional schooling beyond graduation from high school.