<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CharlieX wrote:</div>
I thought aggregators would hand that out just as us brokers are required to handout our credit guides to the retail clients. I’ve met or discussed with all the above aggregators and none has given me that commission sheet. is there a double edge sword here?
No double edge sword. This is commercially sensitive information and aggregators would be prohibited in making it available to the public. There is no legislative requirement to notify the public either. It would be made available in the contract you would potentially enter with an aggregator though.
contradicting the regulations then?
are these information not to be transparent to the customers/public as per the regulations, same as a broker has to show the client exactly what he is being paid by the lender?
if the legal interpretation is no legislative requirement, then will be exactly as the name change from “exit fee” to “crawback” just to get around the regulation?
I thought aggregators would hand that out just as us brokers are required to handout our credit guides to the retail clients. I’ve met or discussed with all the above aggregators and none has given me that commission sheet. is there a double edge sword here?
This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by CharlieX.
I would agreed that capital growth is long term and cashflow is short term.
valuation is merely a value at a specific point in time, and influence by those properties in the surrounding of your property.
at the end of the day, how much a buyer is willing to pay is the value of the property to that buyer. it becomes a subjective variable.
personally, I would keep good cashflow properties.
anyone know the variations or differences that the lenders pay the aggregators?
that is, what is the upfront and trail commissions that say ANZ pays to Choice, Plan, Vision, Fast, AFG, Connective, etc?
most aggregators have between 20 to 40 lenders on their panels. are these secret information or are they supposed to be transparent as brokers are transparent to the retail client/customers?
being new and researching I always come across brokers that said they are best pay by this aggregator or that aggregator. I have no base to measure what is that term “best”
please share what you know to us newbees, or where can I find these information :)
My thoughts exactly Charlie……if you have an 8-9% yielding apartment (do they even get that high in Sydney these days…..or are you calculating it pre any type of expenses……) then why on earth would you sell it.
without seeing how someone calculates yield, it’s hard to compare. I’ve seen some that has yield as what percentage is above the mortgage payment, while some has yield as after all expenses related to the property. everyone’s got to be on the same page, to be talking about the same thing.
we have few properties, and we’re trying to get good rental yield for each of them but quiet difficult to do so. it appeared that yield is very relative to location where the property is. very hard to get your property occupy at $500 per week when the average in that property’s location is $250 per week.
I still think it’s wise to ride your profit and cut your loss, in anything you do in life if the objective is to be ahead of the wave.
I wanted to throw another aspect to Coogee’s opinion on +VE cashflow property. I have sold property with a 33% increase in capital based on a buying price vs my end selling price within 15 months(ownership) due to cashflow not due solely to capital growth. There is a strong demand in market for properties that yield high so if you can build in the yield from creative ideas you can unlock capital due to the demand for +VE cashflow properties. I have done this and I use rental yields to determine the value of my properties and the market demand for my properties. I think this is a strong way (not the only way) to build capital if you are willing to sell because I know that in this current market you can sell 7% rental yield properties all day long almost with complete disregard to the quality of the property.
If you can build value into a property to create a 8-9% yield you will be able to cash in on the value difference between a 6.5-7% and 8-9% yielding property upon sale in market. Valuers will never accept this formula for identifying bank valuations but market values seem to support the sale of a 6.5-7% rental yield on the basis the property is in a low risk area ie; cities and surrounding suburbs.
everyone may have their goal for rental yield, so what is the average that you aim for?
and when you have a high yield rental property, is it wise to sell it which you would be selling the goose laying golden eggs?
I am with knightm there is a point in life where doing the right thing by the client is better than trying to make the maximum dollar out of every client.
In the 26 years i have been running businesses i have never formally advertised and like an earlier poster stated referral business in my opinion is the best form of business.
Back to the original post CharlieX made if you can’t see how lodging an application with false information is wrong then i don’t see you lasting more than 5 minutes in this industry.
Cheers
Yours in Finance
maybe I was sleeping during Cert IV and Diploma classes when the instructors mentioned about lie detector test to all the clients before we brokers could go to the next step. I would say most finance brokers are not psychics enough to know whether a client is lying or truthful. as a broker I will do my role base on the information presented to me from the client, until a lie detector test is a requirement will I be using that as another assessment tool. to simply discriminate and profile a client base on his/her look, race, gender, etc is far more a dis-service to the industry as a broker. lately I’ve been wondering does the term “white collar crime” has some relationships to the fact that most of these criminal acts are committed by white people?
any person who is a professional knows that creditability and reputation goes a long way in his/her profession.
Yes it is caused Mortgage Fraud and has nothing to do with nerves.
Cheers
Yours in Finance
one person’s bad guy is another person’s good guy.
what do the general public do with predatory lending by the lender?
why does lender discriminate by charging high interest rate for investment property than for owner-occupy property?
Coogee126,
Check out this guy “Chris Gray”, Just Google him. Watch his video at the CPA convention. He invests in Coogee & Bondi. I love his attitude towards finance & the Banks. He will turn your head around with a different way of thinking. He has turned me into an investor madman (in a good way). I have some other very creative ways of getting the banks to approve your loans, but I cannot write on the forum, but PM me and I’ll explain.
your concept is interesting, but don’t know if many people out there have the nerves or the ethics to do it
then again Australia’s historical foundation was started by criminals? :D
the word “interview” wasn’t my choice either, my word was “discuss”. that word “interview” came from the teachers I took the base courses and the aggregators I’ve met, and other mentors that I had discussions with suggesting that I need to “interview” more brokers if the ones I have already did have not jive with my objective or that I have not met their ideal mentee criteria; because I have to find one that will work for me for two years and not a good idea to be changing mentors in the middle of the race. they said I need to “interview” a lot of brokers so I can get a good mentor. come to think of it, I think that is the correct word because I am going to pay the mentor, not the mentor is going to pay me? it’s the way the industry is, those who are in it become extra gatekeepers to those who wants to be in it.