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    HAHAHA yes you could say that. :)))))

    I hope that the person who will be reading this letter has curtains that can open wide- he will be needing a lot of bright light.

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    Funnyyyyyyyyy Brenda!

    This one is spot on!
    Your reason for not staying in touch with friends is that they don’t have e-mail addresses.

    Hehe I seldom write letters!
    Today I needed to write someone a letter, and was appalled at my own handwriting!

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    Hehehe Kay, what about little suns and moons and stars in bright primary colours all over the wallpaper?
    [specool]

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    How cute!
    Reminds me of those little coloured plastic legs, arms, faces we used to play with as kids- those thingies which you could stick into potatoes to create little potato-people.
    Anyone else played with that?

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    It sounds like you believe that every child comes into the world like a blanc sheet of paper (how’s that in Latin again ?) :)

    Oh I remember now I read this over. What I meant was to say was “tabula rasa”.
    Just wanted to check your latin skills, Marc :))
    Nah just joking.

    That’s terrible, Kay, about your friend’s sister. Unfortunately, this happens more than one might think. :(

    Anyway, talking about public schools- I am very satisfied with the care and education my children received/are receiving at their public schools.
    Of course, there is always room for improvement at any school.

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    Hehe very funny, Kay!:))
    Soon, Sic faciunt omnes.

    Marc, I enjoy seeing your POV, but I have to disagree with you when you say:

    Any kid possessing all his thinking faculties intact, can be in theory be tought to become any profession you like. You cannot make him brilliant, but you can make him a functional doctor, solicitor, dentist, vet, plumber, carpenter, and even a musician, writer painter or sculptor.

    and

    The difference is purely economic.

    It sounds like you believe that every child comes into the world like a blanc sheet of paper (how’s that in Latin again ?) :) and that parents (Probably the THEN parents, I guess?) can just write the child’s future success onto that paper, throw money at it and knead that kid into the success they want for the kid.

    I don’t believe that this can be done, Marc.
    Since when are kids not individuals with their own likes and dislikes?
    I think it is even dangerous to be convinced that this can be done. How will it make kids feel if they cannot or don’t wanna live up to the parents’ expectations?

    I agree with Kay, where she says:
    I think another point is that… it doesn’t matter how much money you pay for your kid’s education- a child who isn’t very academically skilled, can’t be made so by throwing money into their education. Educational outcomes will often be determined by the child themselves.

    I agree because I often have seen this happen- parents tossing extreme amounts of money into their child’s education (private school and armies of private tutors) to no avail.
    Not because these kids were not intelligent, but because they had no academic interest.

    You cannot make a kid achieve 100% marks (or maybe even 60% marks) if the kid does not want to do the work and has no interest, no matter how much money you spend on her/his education.

    But maybe I’m wrong and maybe you could, if only…..

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    I’d love to go, but I’m not 100% sure yet if I can. Who else is going to the Sydney venue?
    Are you going, Kay?

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    I recently went into a Real Estate Agentcy and enquired about a house & land package, where the house will be biult soon on the block! ” So it’s buying of the plan really” – at this stage. Though the house will be going ahead and built soon anyway.

    The agent said it deppends on your Budget as to how much the property will be?

    Funny, Jaffa!
    Would the agent perhaps mean that the house is still to be designed, and that it is up to the buyer whether he/she wants a standard/basic interor design, or a more fancy one.
    Or perhaps luxury thingies like gold-plated doorknobs, taps and towelrails instead of plain ones?
    I dunno- just guessing :)))

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    I had the same problem; the page came up unavailable, and the email I sent was undeliverable.

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    Marc, you said:
    The difference between private schools and public schools is the human factor, teachers and students.

    Can you explain what you mean, Marc, by the human factor difference?

    So the debate is not about public or private, but about who the parents and teachers are.

    Who are the parents and teachers, Marc? Maybe I understand better if you are more explicit in your criticism.

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    Regular donations to Cancer Council Reasearch, Children’s hospital, WSPA, RSPCA, Greenpeace.
    But also, like Aussierogue, I give to street appeals and whenever charities knock on my door.

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    I don’t get it![blink]

    Hehe (just joking)[biggrin]

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    Interesting conversation since I last checked!
    I still have to make some replies to some of you:

    Monopoly, you asked:

    Define “different” [blink] ??? Smaller class sizes??? Teachers who were happy to settle for lower paid (public school) wages??? What??? This is a very blanket statement. As a parent, I want to know what “different choices” my kids have???

    OK Monopoly, I’d better clarify what I mean by “different” :))
    By different types of schools I mean schools that differ from each other by their didactics or methodology. I’m just talking about primary schools here, and in some instances about High schools.

    Montessori schools, to use an obvious comparison, are using different learning aides and materials and methods than say Steiner schools. ANd both differ from the standard education that most of us are familiar with. Or there can schools that suit different families’ religions. (Christian, Muslim, name it).

    Anubis, it is true that there are catchment areas, but that doesn’t mean that this can’t be changed if necessary, and schools will have to become more flexible to fit in with demand.

    For example, there is no reason that large existing schools can’t be divided into two or even three different sections. SO there can be a high demand for say, basic education, and less for Montessori schools, but if there’s enough demand in an area to form a Montessori class, that can then be arranged as required.
    If there’s not enough demand in an area, the kids of that area could be allowed to go to the nearest school that offers their preference.

    All these different ways of educating children can be funded by the govt.

    I realise that this may all seem very confusing [confused2].
    Australian systems were not set up like this from start, as were the systems in some European countries.
    It’s always hard to radically change a system when there is already an establishment. I just wanted to say that there ARE different ways that work in practice in other parts of the world, without stating that one way is better than the other.
    There are more ways than the one- it’s important to realise that.

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    G7, what do you mean by:
    Must be one of Jenman’s tricks…?

    What do you think Jenman has to do with this? And what is the trick?

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    Originally posted by Monopoly:

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    …just because funding is no longer required in one area, does not necessarily mean it will be allocated back into a similar one!!! I’m sure our politicians will conjure up some ridiculous justification for spending it some less deserving venture!!!

    Well, the overall amount of students requiring education won’t change after abolition/redundancy of private schools (not sure of the right term for this), so the funds will still be needed for education.

    And don’t forget that demands for good public education of ALL parents, instead of just the 70% of parents will have a stronger effect on govt decisions to improve public education. Which govt would be risking cheapskating on frozen educational funds- there would be too many holes in that kind of ice for them to fall through.[fear]

    Finally, as for the notion of “choice”; I was referring to the child’s choice as opposed to that of the parents!!! Perhaps if more parents allowed their children to choose which school they wanted to attend, things would be different????

    Of course it is important that children have a choice.
    But whose children? All children?
    Do the children of low income earning parents have this choice as well as children of high income earning parents?

    Parents have a huge influence on their kid’s choices as well!

    If all schools were public schools, and a whole smogasboard of different types of schools were available, then all children would have a choice. It’s not like they are pushed into a school where they don’t want to be. They have many choices.
    Schools would have equal value in the eyes of parents, and in a community.
    It would be more a choice of their own.

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    Hehehe Kay, I did just that!
    You bet it’s fun if your parents send you to a school “sight” unseen- nothing to see if there’s so much open air hehe.
    Good enough excuse to have turned out like a sometimes [blank] usually [mad] occasionally [devilish] woman!

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    Hehe I really enjoyed reading that article, aussie; I only discovered it today.

    I would, ideally, like to see all private schools be made redundant.
    All funds set aside for the pampering of private schools could then be redirected into public education.
    This should benefit the whole public education system and make private schools superfluous altogether.

    All schools should be commonly available to every child, regardless of what background they come from.

    Yes, Kay, I come from a country where there are no such institutions as private schools- the public system offers a lot of choices of different types of schools, such as Montessori, Jenaplan, Rudolf Steiner, Christian, Single sex, Open air- you name it.

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    Eeew, footprints everywhere? Catpaw prints (even elephant footprints?) awwww, cute, but no thanks!

    I think I lost interest in that designcrete already!

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    My favourite floor covering is floorboards or parquet.

    We also have floorboards upstairs, Wallflower, and I know all about elephant herds hehe.[drummer]
    Luckily, when the kids turn into teenagers, it’s likely the elephants turn nocturnal and spend Sundays in bed most time of the day [sleepyanim] hehe.

    A while ago, I was looking into Designcrete as a more affordable alternative to tiling: Go to
    http://www.designcrete.com.au if you wanna have a look.

    But this is something new and therefore not so well-known in Australia yet. It’s also not widely available here.
    A similar stencilling technique is used as for the spray-on paving for outdoors.
    It’s a very classy and clean look and is durable, as they are using some form of liquid ceramic, I guess.
    Anyone else heard of this?

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    Hotrod, you said:
    Boy, is he gonna be pissed in 3 years when I kick my heals up and play more golf than him!!!!

    There’s nothing wrong with being proud of your achievements, but it sounds like you are extolling your dad’s struggle in his retirement. [glum2]
    I hope I’m wrong!
    Parents often give up so much for their children. They deserve all the respect they can get.

    Celivia

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