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Hi Gelf,
I guess you are right, but didn’t bury my head in the sand, 3 of the properties were on the market for nearly a year. Perhaps should have got on here sooner to get some of the wonderful advice that this forum and its members have given to me.
Cheers
CazzaOriginally posted by GelF:…if you do nothing then that is what you are left with.
…Only 1 Month of payments left! surely must have seen this comming…
…perhaps thought that someone would *give* an easy way out…(tha bank did)
Cazza
Another very good idea from you Elka. I would have just tried to get my debt down on my home (if that was the last to go) however you have now given me further information which will be valuable in the times ahead. 1 sold in Homebush Bay but at a $50K loss. The 2nd one hopefully will give me something to work with as you suggest.
Cazza
Originally posted by elkam:Very good ideas LifeX.
Cazza I don’t know if you have settled on the unit that you have just sold in Homebush Bay but if not and there is some cash left after discharging the loan etc. then put it into an offset account tied to the loan on your home in Lake Macquarie.
At the moment this is non tax deductable debt. I suggest putting it into an offset account rather than paying it down because at one stage you might consider renting out your home for a couple of years rather than selling it. You could then move the money out of the offset account to maximise your deductible debt for that period.
You can rent out your home for up to 6 years without attracting CGT.
Cheers
ElkaCazza
Thanks Lifexperience
Sounds good positive advice I will move on it straight away and let you know how it is received.
So after the 1 year period – I would imagine my role would cease and they pay the full interest amount themselves.?????
Cazza
Originally posted by lifeX:You are posting just fine Cazza.
Heres a few ideas:
Advertise the 2br unit in Homebush for
“$530,000 WITH SPECIAL 4% FINANCE (for first year).” Just get agent to whack a 4% financing bit in the ad. Make sure it stands out.The buyer will still get his normal financing from bank which would be about 7.5% at the moment.
He may borrow 80% LVR which would be a loan of $424,000.
Interest Repayments of $611 approx per week.BUT>>>> because you are offering that the buyer will only be paying 4% in the first year, his repayments will drop to $326 approx per week.!!!! You will sell this QUICK!!All it will cost you is 3.5% of $424000 = $14840. So you are effectively getting $515,160 for unit..
Simply pay this money into an account at settlement and instruct the buyer to have his loan draw partly out of this for each repayment for 1 year. You just write one cheque which comes from the money you were paid anyway.ALTERNATIVELY,–
Advertise some of your properties with “No deposit needed”.. And then when a buyer comes to you, that is short on deposit. Simply get a property lawyer to write up a contract whereby the buyer pays you the deposit over a period of time (whatever you are comfortable with and can negotiate).
So one way will get you buyers who want to save $300 bucks a week.
The other way will get you buyers who haven’t quite got a deposit.
Whack these into your advertising. Make sure they REALLY stand out.
GO GO GO
Live, Learn and GrowLifexperience
Cazza
Originally posted by lifeX:You are posting just fine Cazza.
Heres a few ideas:
Advertise the 2br unit in Homebush for
“$530,000 WITH SPECIAL 4% FINANCE (for first year).” Just get agent to whack a 4% financing bit in the ad. Make sure it stands out.The buyer will still get his normal financing from bank which would be about 7.5% at the moment.
He may borrow 80% LVR which would be a loan of $424,000.
Interest Repayments of $611 approx per week.BUT>>>> because you are offering that the buyer will only be paying 4% in the first year, his repayments will drop to $326 approx per week.!!!! You will sell this QUICK!!All it will cost you is 3.5% of $424000 = $14840. So you are effectively getting $515,160 for unit..
Simply pay this money into an account at settlement and instruct the buyer to have his loan draw partly out of this for each repayment for 1 year. You just write one cheque which comes from the money you were paid anyway.ALTERNATIVELY,–
Advertise some of your properties with “No deposit needed”.. And then when a buyer comes to you, that is short on deposit. Simply get a property lawyer to write up a contract whereby the buyer pays you the deposit over a period of time (whatever you are comfortable with and can negotiate).
So one way will get you buyers who want to save $300 bucks a week.
The other way will get you buyers who haven’t quite got a deposit.
Whack these into your advertising. Make sure they REALLY stand out.
GO GO GO
Live, Learn and GrowLifexperience
Cazza
Thanks Elka, some good advice I will keep you posted as to how it goes.
Cheers
CazzaOriginally posted by elkam:Hello Cazza
I’m anything but a property guru and I hope that someone who is will answer with some constuctive suggestions.
I assume your last loan restructuring was to make all your loans interest only?
I wondered if your unit in Reservoir may be suitable for student accomodation. i.e not too far from La trobe uni or not too far from Plenty Rd. for transport to La Trobe. It may be possible to get 3 rooms out of a 2 BR unit by seperating out some of the lounge room givin 3 rooms to 1 bathroom which is OK. I don’t know but it’s possible that your agent in the area does student accomodation management as it’s quite a large market in the area I believe. If not him then maybe someone else there. I think each room rents for about $135 -145 depending on size. Even with just 2 students you should be able to get nearly double the rent your getting now. It may be worth giving your agent a call and even a couple more in the area.
You obviously need to sell at least 2 properties to cut down your loans. Homebush Bay and Wentworth seem like the obvious choice.
I just reread the post from Grossrealization (page 1 of this thread) and it’s all good advise and leaving something in the deals as he suggests may be just the thing needed to get some of your properties sold and at better than bargain basement prices.
As you said in one of your posts above. First see your bank manager for that business plan GR is talking about.
Keep us posted please and good luck. [smiling]
Elka
Cazza
Posi properties, oh my wouldn’t I love that! Still love real estate. If I can get myself out of this mess, then I will be looking to downsize to exactly that. Unfortunately mine are now all negative after refinancing etc.
Thank you for posting your reply.
Cazza
Originally posted by grossrealisation:hi all
couple of things.
first gmh454.
once it winds up in the chase section the guy who is chasing wants it off his desk and closed before it gets any worse and he can be blamed for a bad situation getting worse under his stewardship.
this maybe the case that you have dealt with but is not with the ones that I have dealt with most lender inc the big four want to get out of these problems and if that includes helping to do it they will.
for a bnk its not cheap to chase a loan defaulter and someone has to sign his name to a doc so they will go out if there way to help if you give them a proper formulated business plan of how you are going to get out of your debt.
I am talking with a couple at this moment an=bout a couple of commercials that are abit larger then this amount and they do wish to cap interest etc to get out of the problem.
there is a couple of thing that need to be understood a problem like this first goes to adminisration and then liquidation and if this is in liquidation then yes it is very hard to get it back from there.
you need tyo talk to the lender before liquidation and then you can get a deal together.
the other issue is how do lenders get into this state for me is simple.
greed
the margins have been squeezed with lenders as there loan books are squashed by the rams and aussie’s of this world so they lend on products that they shouldn’t and to people the shouldn’t.
and just like the casino if you play the higher risk games your profit goes up but so does your exposure to risk and thats what this is.
this is not an attack at this poster but is a general attack just because a person has 5 or ten posi properties all over the country doesn’t automatically mean they know what they are doing it means they have found posi properties.
when every you are investing you must know
your risk
your profit or potential profit
your cash flow
and most important if this goes pear shaped your exit structure.
I have spoken to people that have 30 and 40 houses and they tell me they don’t know what they are doing except just keep buying posi property
thats great but if a problem occurs that may well unravell to a heap of problems.
and all that good work comes tumbling down.
its not hard to buy property you could buy some in your dogs name, what is hard is keeping it
holding and profitting from it.here to help
If you want to get involved in some of the projects I’m involved in email to [email protected]
currently looking for up front money at 15% p/a pm me if you wishCazza
Yes, thought I had done all the right things, however you have to be able to hold in the bad times as with all investing.
Cazza
Originally posted by World Changer:The banks will quite easily loan u the money.It is not hard to be in front one day then realising u cant keep up with the payments.Possibly the tenants moved out on a few of them for example and they were already maxed out on payments.
Its important to remember to take responsability when loaning money and have a strategy ready to put into action(early) for when something goes wrong,otherwise u can lose the lot.
That is dissapointing as they must have done something right and worked hard to be able to control 5 propertys in the first place.We’ve got 70 yrs on planet earth,Lets make the most of every day!
Cazza
Thanks to everyone for posting a reply. I would like to respond to each of you individually, but not sure I’m doing it right. It looks like I need to make an appointment with my banks in the first instance and see if we can work something out.
I have put further details in relation to my assets in a response to one of the replies however.
Cazza
Cazza
Thanks Elka, I have posted some further details in a reply to one of the responses.
You are right I cannot do this without expert advice, of which I don’t have any. How do I get in touch with these “savvy” people you speak of.
Just a Babe in the Woods.
Cazza
Originally posted by elkam:Hello Cazza
Really sorry to hear that.
I think if you want some real advise from some of the very savvy people on the forum you will have to give them more details especially about the locations (generally i.e Syd/rural/regional country town) and value of each property, the loans and your income. Are they residential or commercial properties? Are they rented out?
If you do not want to do this on the open forum do you have a broker, financial advisor or good accountant you can talk with?
This is not a problem you can solve without expert advise or out of dispair.
I wish you much luck.
ElkaCazza
Unit in Reservoir Vic. Purchased $190K now on sale for around $170K. (Been on the market for about a year). Rented for $170 pw.
2 b/r Unit in Homebush Bay NSW, fully furnished and with a corporate leasing agent. When it is let it brings in $600 – $700 pw.
Owe $380K on the market for $530K but will accept $499K.Brick 3 b/r home in Central Coast NSW owe $290K on sale for $249K. Rented for $220 pw. (On the market for a year also).
5 b/r home in Wentworthville NSW owe $360K on sale for $499K. Rented at $350 pw.
3 b/r home in Lake Macquarie NSW (Mine) owe $250K . On sale for $299K (My private home).
Just sold fully furnished 2 b/r unit Homebush Bay NSW – loss of $50K
Although there is some capital left, the rent goes nowhere near covering the costs of the interests etc etc etc about $6K short each month.
It was 2 wrap deals that got me into trouble with a very shonky lot in Victoria. No one’s fault but my own.
Just a Babe in the Woods.
ps. I don’t mind putting the info up here.
Originally posted by lifeX:Instead of dropping the prices. You need to make it EASIER for someone to buy.
Try offering a deal with some finance (ie: you vendor finance part of the sale to make it easier for them if they have no deposit. You offer a 2nd Mortgage)
Or you could offer to discount their bank loan to 4 or 5 % for the first year. (just put some of the sale money in a bank account to pay the difference between their bank loan and the rate you offer) This would drop their initial weekly payments by a few hundred bucks a week.
Try wrapping them.
Or you could do a rent to buy deal.
You could even try HIRING a wrapper or savvy investor (many on this site) to set up these deals for you.
Can you describe your situation in more detail?
gotta go,,,,, good luck!
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Live, Learn and GrowLifexperience
Cazza
New to this asking for people’s help online, so please pardon my lack of manners.
“Just a Babe in the Woods”.Originally posted by lifeX:why do people post here of their dire circumstance. Request help and then vanish off the face of the earth.
So many people ready and able to assist and support and ……. vanish??
Alien abduction WTF?
Live, Learn and GrowLifexperience
Cazza