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    I have been totally shocked! It’s a feeding frenzy here.

    Long time since I posted here. Our plan was to invest first in our own home and then use the equity increase to purchase our first IP. Well in the last 12 months we’ve had over 60% increase in value. Very happy with that result and we are now looking for the right property but it is going to be very hard to find.

    I’ve also been looking out for a property nearby (we are in Yangebup) for my sister’s first home but she’s really missed the boat, no way she can buy near us now. Not sure what her options are. Maybe we should buy something together?

    Cheers
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    These areas are great!

    I bought in Medina shortly after the Kwinana (WA) area had been “renewed”. Sold it for a nice profit to buy my current property – and to a buyer that hadn’t even inspected inside. He can’t be unhappy though as it came with a good tenant and would have already gained between contract date and settlement!

    In Perth these renewals have been in Kwinana, Armadale, Balga and surrounds and if I was buying again soon I’d be snuffling around for where the next “urban renewal” project was going to be. I think Satterly are the developers in WA if anyone wants to do some digging.

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    I think a lot of people forget that their first home is not going to be their dream home. That’s why the cheaper “fixer uppers” are often advertised as “first home or investment”. It could be 2 or 3 down the track before you can buy what you like.

    You are right to approach it as though you are buying an IP as your first home is the biggest investment most people ever make and it can become an IP when you have the equity to trade up and buy something that suits you better.

    I know some investors rent, which is fine if you don’t have kids and rents in the area you want to live in are way below the cost of buying there. We are buying our PPOR because we have kids and by moving 15 minutes down the freeway we can buy a substantial house for less than the average rental on a similar 4 bedroom house ( of course if interst rates jump that may not be true and renting will be cheaper). In a year we’ll refinance and buy our second IP.

    If you both have time and inclination why not buy a place that needs a lick of paint and landscaping so you’ll quickly increase the value then you can access the equity.

    BTW I have friends (DINKs) who have moved 5 times in 3 years, they are serial renovators and just paid cash for their latest property.

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    Stay at home mum (13 month old) with a useless arts degree :) Most of my working life for past 10 years has been web development. Also a published author but we won’t go there.

    Rather spend my days with baby and when time allows educate myself on methods other than PAYE to establish future financial security.

    Partner is in IT and also bored :)

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    I believe we have avoided this problem by settling both at the same time (and stipulating the coincidental settlement as a condition of the contract). Not all vendors will accept this condition of course, they may have already bought elsewhere subject to sale and have a particular settlement date on their new property.

    It has worked for us though and might be worth considering in PeterM’s scenario.

    The relevent sections of the general conditions set out by REIWA are 6.4 and 8. These cover damage of property and passing of risk.

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    If settlement occurs on them both simultaneoulsy we each take possession the same day. How does this affect insurance?

    Not sure I’m with you there. Even if we had overlapping insurance premiums it is still cheaper than overlapping mortgages.

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    It is fraud to obtain by ommission or deception an amount greater than the actual purchase price. You may get the “early settlement rebate” or “subject to repairs” clause past the bank IF the total is equal to the bank valuation. Banks have LVR for a reason.

    I reckon it’s safer to just find a bank that will do a higher LVR and cap it with fees so you are paying less out of your pocket if you need the cash for other purchases.

    We’ve been asked for both sides of the contract on our recent applications.

    And yes, what about stamp duty and other costs calculated as a percentage of the loan? You could be paying an extra 5% on the portion that you are inflating.

    You’d also want to be very careful about how the contract was worded, as shown by Terry’s example.

    An article I read in the MIAA mag said there would be a crackdown on this practice.

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    When we were looking for a new PPOR we found that first, stipulated in the contract subject to sale of existing proprty AND settlement on both properties to coincide. We then put the place we were selling on the market with the same agent we are buying through. So far it has gone very smoothly. She sold our old property to an investor in 3 days :) If it had taken longer it would have been covered by the contract and we would not have had 2 mortgages at once.

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    Hi Clarksonclan. Don’t know if it will confuse you more or not [:)] but I have a lot of fun playing with the charts at http://www.aussiehome.com.au. They’ve just updated it with the june 03 figures. I look for suburbs that *haven’t* had huge gains lately but have potential due to future infrastructure.

    As a tip in Perth (and coming from a south of river background and preference, others prefer north) take a look at areas close to Thompson’s Lake and west of the freeway. I think the light rail fromn Freo will eventually go through, the beaches and harbour development around Port Catherine will happen and that area will become the southern equivilent of Joondalup and Hilarys. I’m putting my money where my mouth is too [:D]

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    Hope it all works out for you vluu27!

    Michael, excellent advice! We hadn’t given it a lot of thought, just the convenience of not moving before the end of the school year but yes, in future any vendor rent back we do will be put in a lease at the time of drawing up the contract.

    Well now we are looking forward to moving in and getting stuck into the decorating before the hot weather hits so it worked out ok [8D] Just have to drive an extra hour per day taking daughter to school until end of year [:(]

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    Stuart, Josie was indeed in touch with us and if not that we were running out of time I would have asked Prosolutions to take another look at it for us, I was impressed with the initial report you sent us. As it was I felt the local broker was doing a good job right up until the Pepper debacle.

    The brokerage that our “advisor” works for has all the non-conformers on their panel including Liberty. I have asked her one more time to look at my comparison figures and tell me why she chose Pepper.

    Liberty will “cap” the loan to allow us to add some of the upfront fees to it AND, unlike Pepper, will handle the FHOG for us. With Pepper we would have had to get a short term overdraft to cover the gap before state revenue paid up.

    So, how does one make sure they are getting the best advice from their mortgage broker? (For future reference!)

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    So while you were trying to be nice and get opinions on the course of action that was best he strung you along and looked for somewhere to rent asap?

    We had a clause in our latest contract to rent back to the vendors which was worded in such a way that only gave them “entitlement” to rent back for 3 months (we should, in hindsight, have worded it differently or had a lease drawn up and included in the contract) now they’ve decided that they would buy another property and want to give us vacant possession. A real PITA because we actually don’t want to move in to the property for 3 months and don’t much fancy finding short term tenants.

    I reckon you sound well rid of this bloke. Also sounds like you should get a property agent to handle the leasing for you.

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    Sorry but it sounds like mortgage fraud. I’d think very carefully about that.

    Just read an article about it in the MIAA magazine while waiting in my brokers waiting room :)

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    Here is the relevant section of the act for NSW, it is the same for WA.
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fhoga2000250/s11.html

    (3) An applicant is ineligible if the applicant or the applicants spouse has, on or after 1 July 2000 and before the date on which the application is made, held an interest in property (other than property to which the application relates) used at any time on or after 1 July 2000 as the residence of the applicant or the applicants spouse, being:

    (a) a relevant interest in residential property in New South Wales, or

    (b) an interest in residential property in another State or a Territory that is a relevant interest under the corresponding law of that State or Territory.

    It is my understanding that if you owned ANY residential property prior to July 2000 you are ineligible but after July 2000 you may “have a relevant interest” in residential property that was not your own place of residence and be eligible when you buy your first PPOR.

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    Where did you get this from Elysium?

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    I know that in WA, once you buy an investment property, you can forget about the FHOG (unless you move into the investment property within 12 months) as your PPOR – this is all detailed in my DIY residential settlements/conveyancing book that I’m writing.



    I called the OSR in Perth last week and spoke to the FHOG people and was told that it was perfectly ok to own an investment property first and then claim FHOG on your first PPOR.

    We are going ahead with a PPOR first now so it doesn’t matter but it certainly is confusing.

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    You can claim parenting payment if you own an investment property and you can still claim rent assistance if you are renting. I was doing just that until I moved in with my defacto. You must declare your net income you make from rent and you fill out a real estate form with all your income and expenses on it.

    I also worked part time as working full time would have left me poorer after I paid for after school care – crazy isn’t it?

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    Double check with the state revenue office. I did and found out that in WA at least, you can buy an IP, not claim the FHOG and STILL get the FHOG later when you do buy your first home to live in.

    Also, if you claim the FHOG you have 12 months to take residence and there is no set amount of time that you need to remain in the property. BUT you must genuinely make it your principal residence (not just get some mail sent there as somebody suggested to me once).

    Another thing to consider is the length of time you and your partner have been defacto. In WA it is 2 years. My partner is eligible for FHOG even though I am not because we have lived together less than 2 years. If you do not buy jointly perhaps you could each buy a property and satisfy the residence requirements on each property at some time during the first year. Talk to your FHOG office, if you know the rules you can maybe use them to your advantage.

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    HI Tira Jayne

    I was single mum when I bought my first home so I thought I’d share my story.

    I was on a pension after my divorce with a grand total of $2000 after the settlement :) Not eligible for FHOG I got a crappy part time job and saved every dollar I earned for 3 months to get my deposit, then I went to the government sponsored lender in WA, Keystart, and got my loan. They would let me use centrelink income and 100% of part time wages for income assesment. NSW may have a similar scheme.

    I quit that awful job the day after we settled!

    For $65000 I got a nice house in a run down suburb but it was not too far out of town. I lived there for 3 years before moving out and renting it out for a rent that was more than enough to cover the mortgage repayments and I just sold it for a very healthy profit.

    For me living in my own home is more important than investment property, I just hate renting [;)] maybe you don’t mind because it puts you in an area you love but can’t afford to buy in.

    What you have to consider is the centrelink income and how it would be affected by a) income from an IP, and b) losing your rent allowance if you move in to a house you are buying.

    IF you buy an IP using all your cash and rent it out will you have enough income from your parenting payment to cover any repairs or emergencies? What will you do if the hot water system needs replacing or bad tenants trash it? A cheap property will probably come with a risk of needing attention sooner rather than later.

    Contact me if you wish, [email protected]. I’m no property expert but I was on the single parent-go-round for a long time [:D] I might have some ideas for you.

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    Thanks everyone

    Rusty073, the 20% is needed to avoid mortgage insurers which most lenders go to if the loan is over 80% of the property value, we have been told by several lenders and brokers that the insurers won’t go for a recent change in employment (even though we’d previously been told that within same industry it was ok – seems what you are told in theory is not what you are told when it comes down to actually applying!).

    Terry it looks like Homeside are the go. We found a good broker who has really worked hard on this one and she has come up with a product for uni graduates where they will waive the MI requirement. It has a good variable rate but over 18 years. It will hurt our cash flow for a short while but at least we’ll build equity rather than pay high interest.

    Fingers crossed [:)]

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    Hi Boothy

    I have been getting $130pw for the last 12 months, could be up to $150 if I did a repaint but I prefer to keep the rent low as I have a nice tenant and it is positively geared. I just put it on the market at $110 000. The property next door just went on for $128 000 so we’ll see how they both do.

    You could hedge your bets if you want two and go for both areas :) BTW I heard that a marina development similar to Hilary’s is planned for the Cockburn area so proximity to that and Fremantle makes south western suburbs attractive to me. (hence I am selling in Medina so I can buy a PPOR with ocean views in Yangebup, can’t have both unfortunately but I’ll be buying another IP asap)

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