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    Question 1- Is your accountant involved with this group?

    Personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.  Any comprehensive package comes with payoffs and risks.

    If they are financing, etc you have no guarantee that the price you pay is market value.
     If you have to finance through a bank they will only lend you the money on market value.
    If they need gimmicks to make it sound good maybe it's not that good. Look at real estate in similar locations and check the asking price. Check rental vacancy rates in the area. There is a lot of due diligence to do before purchasing. Don't just assume they have it all covered. At the end of the day they are out to make money.

    Keep looking my friend.

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    The bank may do a desk top valuation so may not even go there.

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    Try to get onto Carly Crutchfield. That's how she started. No-one would give her a go so she worked for free.

     But I'd say you are not the first to offer free time. Just offering to do free work in your spare time doesn't really show a willingness to jump in.

     There are some who are willing to work free anytime.

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    I'd stay with St George (separate loans for each IP) until you reach $1Mill then move. 

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    NO. Agents tell you that all the time.

    The only reason people don't do it is because the tenant CAN take you to tribunal. But if it's way under market they don't really have a case.

    I've put some up $40 a week after buying ones that had low rent with no arguments. 

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    If they are on expired leases you can put the rent up any amount you want. They MAY take you to tribunal but if it within market rent you shouldn't need to worry.
    Some REA suggest the slow method but if it is so far under rent that's too much money to loae by doing it that way. Go to another agent if they suggest that.

    Check out Real Estate.com to check current rents. If you really don't want them all to move out maybe raise them to just under market rent (say $180-190) then increase again in 3-6 months. You'll find that once they look on the net they'll relise they can't get anything at that price so they'll stay.  If one does move out you could use the opportunity to reno one and get even more rent.

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    OK Terry seems to have covered the finance side.

    A $380K property will be pushing it. I prefer to borrow 80% as I don't like to have a high LVR but I'm a bit more conservative than others. Too old to risk losing everything.

    I like to buy lower end properties as the yields are better thus costing less out of your pocket. Buy something you can add some equity to and usually raise the rent at the same time.

    eg a property in the low to mid $200's will rent for $300pw, more sometimes.  A property for $380 will likely rent for $350-400pw (in my research in Sydney) so cost a bit out of pocket.

    It's great that you are starting to educate yourself but there is a LOT more to learn. I would take a step back, read some books. There are loads of them at the library. That way you can learn what strategy may suit you. Everyone has different ways of buying property. There is no right or wrong way. It depends where you are coming from and what your end goal is. Some people love off the plan, others hate it. Some people would never buy units.

    I buy houses by Paul Do covers different strategies even though I find him a bit negative (says you can't find CF+ houses etc).

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    OK Terry seems to have covered the finance side.

    A $380K property will be pushing it. I prefer to borrow 80% as I don't like to have a high LVR but I'm a bit more conservative than others. Too old to risk losing everything.

    I like to buy lower end properties as the yields are better thus costing less out of your pocket. Buy something you can add some equity to and usually raise the rent at the same time.

    eg a property in the low to mid $200's will rent for $300pw, more sometimes.  A property for $380 will likely rent for $350-400pw (in my research in Sydney) so cost a bit out of pocket.

    It's great that you are starting to educate yourself but there is a LOT more to learn. I would take a step back, read some books. There are loads of them at the library. That way you can learn what strategy may suit you. Everyone has different ways of buying property. There is no right or wrong way. It depends where you are coming from and what your end goal is. Some people love off the plan, others hate it. Some people would never buy units.

    I buy houses by Paul Do covers different strategies even though I find him a bit negative (says you can't find CF+ houses etc).

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    The CG gets added to yoyr income. Assume you've had the property for more than 12 months. You calculate the capital gain.

    Halve it then add that to your wage (nothing in your case). So if the capital gain was $100,000. You'd pay tax on $50,000.

    As mentioned that is the best time to sell as it's not in addition to your wage.

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    Depends totally on demand. I have most unfurnished but one furnished. Haven't heard from them in years. Money goes in my bank. I'm happy.

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    Ok first getting into the IP market to reduce your income tax is the WRONG reason.
    That should be the last reason.

    If you are reducing your income tax it means you are losing money.

    Do LOTS more reading to find out how to MAKE money from property.

    The more money you make the more tax you pay.  I love when I don't get a tax return it means all my properties are paying themselves off.

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    Yeah sorry about that. I thought it sounded too low. I have worked the figures on 10 years.
    So there would be $104K in the account. I haven't included adding extra because it's not easy to calculate the extra payments going into the mortgage or the fact that you could have used that extra money to buy a second investment property in that time with that money.

    Yes I have assumed property doubles in 10 years as it's easier. Some don't, some more.
    You are also forgetting that rents go up so the property becomes positive and pays itself off. Even though you have a debt it erodes over time even if you don't pay it off. I bought my first house for $60,000. Now imagine I never paid it off. Would I be happy having a $60K debt on a house that's now worth $300K. You bettya.

    I have a property that I have owned for 2 years (in Sydney so not booming by any means), It has risen 48% in 2 years.
    I also have not taken into account that you don't (well I don't) pay full price for property. The idea is to buy under market so you have instant equity. I have also just done a quick reno which increased my equity by $30K. So I can now draw out the money I put in and it owes me nothing. That property, by the way is now cash flow positive so it gives me money each week too. Even if it never goes up (which it will) as rents rise it will pay itself off. Then I can sit back and live off thje rent. No bank acvcount will do that.

    Over time property rises more than inflation.
    So on my (very basic) figures you would be ahead (if you sold).

    Sell $600K minus CGT and selling costs $250K. That's $146K more than your account.

    By just saving you will never keep up with property.

    OK my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. The numbers are simplistic (as I said). You need to read more and educate yourself.

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    Yeah sorry about that. I thought it sounded too low. I have worked the figures on 10 years.
    So there would be $104K in the account. I haven't included adding extra because it's not easy to calculate the extra payments going into the mortgage or the fact that you could have used that extra money to buy a second investment property in that time with that money.

    Yes I have assumed property doubles in 10 years as it's easier. Some don't, some more.
    You are also forgetting that rents go up so the property becomes positive and pays itself off. Even though you have a debt it erodes over time even if you don't pay it off. I bought my first house for $60,000. Now imagine I never paid it off. Would I be happy having a $60K debt on a house that's now worth $300K. You bettya.

    I have a property that I have owned for 2 years (in Sydney so not booming by any means), It has risen 48% in 2 years.
    I also have not taken into account that you don't (well I don't) pay full price for property. The idea is to buy under market so you have instant equity. I have also just done a quick reno which increased my equity by $30K. So I can now draw out the money I put in and it owes me nothing. That property, by the way is now cash flow positive so it gives me money each week too. Even if it never goes up (which it will) as rents rise it will pay itself off. Then I can sit back and live off thje rent. No bank acvcount will do that.

    Over time property rises more than inflation.
    So on my (very basic) figures you would be ahead (if you sold).

    Sell $600K minus CGT and selling costs $250K. That's $146K more than your account.

    By just saving you will never keep up with property.

    OK my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. The numbers are simplistic (as I said). You need to read more and educate yourself.

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    Ok. you are focusing on the interest but neglect to look at the money coming in.

     Just say you leave your $60K in the managed funds for 10 years. 8% (minus tax = 5.6%pa- assuming 30% tax rate).
    So compounded you will have (after 10 years) $70,665.

    Take that $60K and buy a house value $300K.  10% deposit + stamp duty etc.

    OK you have a loan of $300K at say 7% interest. =$21K a year BUT rent will give you $18K   minus costs = $15k. So you lose $6K the first year (- tax and depreciation) should cost you $3K max in the first year BUT the rent goes up each year so after 3 years you should be cash flow neutral. So for the next 7 years the rent will more than pay your interest. The last 5 years you'll actually have money in your pocket AFTER you pay the interest.
     In the meantime your $300K property is now worth $600K (based on the assumption that property doubles every 10 years).

    So instead of have $70,665 you now have $300K equity. Sure you lose some if you sell CGT but that';s still a hell of a lot more than $70K. Also you now have $20% of a property but in 10 years time you've only got just over 10% of a property making it impossible to get in to the market.

    The above is very simplistic (I hope) but I think you'll get the idea.
     

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    Ok. you are focusing on the interest but neglect to look at the money coming in.

     Just say you leave your $60K in the managed funds for 10 years. 8% (minus tax = 5.6%pa- assuming 30% tax rate).
    So compounded you will have (after 10 years) $70,665.

    Take that $60K and buy a house value $300K.  10% deposit + stamp duty etc.

    OK you have a loan of $300K at say 7% interest. =$21K a year BUT rent will give you $18K   minus costs = $15k. So you lose $6K the first year (- tax and depreciation) should cost you $3K max in the first year BUT the rent goes up each year so after 3 years you should be cash flow neutral. So for the next 7 years the rent will more than pay your interest. The last 5 years you'll actually have money in your pocket AFTER you pay the interest.
     In the meantime your $300K property is now worth $600K (based on the assumption that property doubles every 10 years).

    So instead of have $70,665 you now have $300K equity. Sure you lose some if you sell CGT but that';s still a hell of a lot more than $70K. Also you now have $20% of a property but in 10 years time you've only got just over 10% of a property making it impossible to get in to the market.

    The above is very simplistic (I hope) but I think you'll get the idea.
     

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    niyiaw wrote:
    So at the final inspection before settlement, what happens if I do find faults that weren't there at previous inspections? Do I have the right to get the vendor to fix them (depending on how serious) and delay settlement? Or can the vendor potentially complicate things by blaming it on the tenant?

    And a hypothetical scenario: I move in after the lease is up and find for example damaged carpet. If the tenant claims it was like that when he moved in would it be my word against his since I wasn't present when he first moved in? Can I deduct money from the bond to fix it?

    Sorry if none of that makes sense. At the moment I'm just trying to think through the worst things that can happen and make sure I can prepare for them.

    Personally If I see something I want I know it will go quickly so I don't want to waste money paying for strata, solicitors time etc without anything in writing. I have backed out of one deal and lost .25% but I did my own strata search so only $50. I instructed the solicitor to not do anything until I gave the go ahead so no charges there.

    If you can prove the damage was done between exchange and settlement you have a claim. But you can't look behind a fridge on settlement inspection and say Oh I didn't know there was a big hole in the wall.

    Check with the leasing agent to see if they filled out a condition report and have done any inspections. They are entitled to fair wear and tear and should clean the carpet before leaving. If things are damaged you can make a claim against their bond.

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    niyiaw wrote:
    Long time lurker, first time poster.

    I made an offer on a property and it was accepted. I was waiting for the point where the agent would ask for the 0.25% deposit but it never came. Instead the contract of sale got sent to my solicitor and we went through it all but we are still waiting for the strata inspection. We are looking at exchanging contracts after that and then I would be up for the 10% discount.

    I spoke to the real estate agent again and he mentioned if we were going to leave the exchange so late I probably wouldn't need a cooling off period since according to him all the inspections are normally done after the exchange.

    My confusion is where we skipped the step of the 0.25% deposit. Does this happen frequently? And the agent confused me some more when he said the inspections were supposed to be done after the exchange. I thought they were done between the 0.25% deposit and the 10% deposit/exchange?)

    Hi you don't say where you are buying. In NSW you pay the the .25% and exchange contracts. You can put subject to finance etc. You do your searches ate in the cooling off period. Then you pay the 10%. As it stands you have nothing. The vendor can change his mind at anytime because you have not exchanged contracts. Do that ASAP and still ask for a cooling off period if you haven't got strata, finance etc. The RE agent sounds like a noob.

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    Also, another issue I have is I'm looking to purchase this unit as a PPOR using the FHOG except the tenancy doesn't end until the end of Oct. The vendors don't want to drag out the settlement and I'm happy enough to keep the tenants until the end of the lease. In terms of inspecting the property before settlement how does it work? i.e if I want to make sure there are no holes in the carpet under the lounge or no dents in the wall behind the fridge can I go in and start shifting furniture around (provided I've arranged this through the agent)?

    Sorry for the massive first post… extremely nervous and in over my head at the moment :)

    No probs with the tenant and FHOG. As long as you move in before 12 months is up and stay for 6 months.  You can ask for another inspection anytime, they are usually accomodating. You are entitled to a pre settlement inspection. Do this the day before settlement. But be aware if you do find big holes in the walls you can't do anything about it once you've exchanged. If you have concerns look at it ASAP and then sign ASAP. I'd hate to see someone come in and take it under your nose (it happens).
    Nothing is in concrete until you and the vendor have signed.
    good luck.

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    possumpal wrote:
    Hey mate

    I bought my first property a small flat for 140K just after my 20th birthday. Lived in it to get the FHOG which was 10k at the time and then rented it out. Waited two years and then bought a old weatherboard house in a good locatition for 190K. Rented it out for a year and now live in it with my gf. Re-weatherboarded and rewired it. Still needs the stumps done. My plan is to pour my money into my homeloan and try to pay it off by my 30th birthday. Unlike others on here I dont have serveral of properties. The way i look at it is if I can own my house by the time i'm 30 then all i need to do is work enough hours to put food on the table.

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    Congratulations possumpal you are off to a great start but why aim so low?

    I really do hope your "paying off your homeloan" is in the form of an offset account. It is a steady strategy but it won't let you retire. Wouldn't it be nice to have enough income so as not to work 40 hours a week to "put food on the table" when you could have passive income, take your kids to school, have time to spend with family etc.

    Sorry to be blunt but I can't see why anyone would have a strategy to work for the rest of their life. Food is expensive and if you want to start a family, more so (not to mention teenagers who eat you out of house and home).

    My stories not that exciting. Always liked property but no internet when I was your age. No confidence, knowledge or knowing anyone that had bought property so I did nothing. Fast forward 20 years. Paid off my house (didn't know any better). Bought one property (cross coll- didn't know any better). Then last 3 years buying many properties with opportunity to increase equity.

    Finding different forums, reading heaps and getting a network of friends with likeminded goals was the BIGGEST contributing factopr to me making the move from  one property to many.

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    The Property Trader wrote:

    3.  Therefore spend most of your time buying well … putting in heaps of offers … for example I looked at about 170 houses today and shortlisted it to 21 houses that i would be interested in pursuing.

    .

    Hi, can you clarify what you mean by "looked at 170 houses" means?  On the net? 

    What sort of area are you talking?  I would find it hard to find 170 houses worth even taking a look at.

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    Yep, can be done.

    First check to see what the charges are. That may not be the problem, although by the sounds of it they are not doing a good job. Have you done a strata search?
    The owners set the fees.  Maybe the fees are high because they just did some major works and need to build up the sinking fund.

    Get the right facts first before jumping the gun and trying to change everything.

    There's a saying in management-= don't tear down the fences until you know why they were built.

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