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    I don't know about it having to be professionally cleaned but it needs to be in the same condition you expect it to be returned in.

    You can't lease out a place that needs cleaning and the lawns mowed then expect the tenants to leave it clean at the end.

    Agents take photos (or should) of the ingoing condition. Are you happy to have it left like that?

    We always mow just before tenants move in. Plus if it was vacant for more than a few weeks I'd give it a clean. That is how I expect it when they move out.

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    What is your purpose of joining a club? to buy property through them? To network? To get information? 

    Where are you located? There are other small groups that meet regularly. If you state your city people may be able to offer alternatives.

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    Welcome. Reading lots is a great start.

    Have you been to any seminars? You often meet people there. Find out if there are any meetups in your area. Networking is a great way to see what others are doing and get ideas to cement your own strategy or to find out what strategy you don't want. There are many different vehicles in property.
    What is your strategy when looking for suitable properties?

    Just curious- how do you know the properties you have found are- (for want of a better word) good? How can you source properties that a mentor cannot?

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    Corie wrote:
    haha…….Yes I am biased but that's because I know how good the REI(Real Estate Investar) tools work and how much time they can save you!

    You are right, you dont have to buy in rural areas but the problem with finding +ve geared property in a capital city is that it takes a lot more time and your negotiation skills have to quite sharp. Same with adding value, it takes time, and money to get that rent up to a level that makes it CF+. How many many minutes, days, weeks, will it take you to find a +ve geared property in a capital city? I can find over 50 in a matter of minutes that are CF+ right from the word go.

    Investar was designed to save people time and for those that may be time poor.

    Buying CF+ in rural towns worked for one guy named Steve McKnight. You might have heard of him.

    Corie

    I agree with the site being good. I have used it. It does narrow down your search and finds properties you wouldn't find on RE.com.
    True it's not easy. If it was everyone would have a dozen properties. Less than 5% of the population own one.

    Corie wrote:
    I would rather just go to the "Positively Geared Property" shop and buy one. Much easier!

    Yep sounds easy but getting a few properties that give you $20 a week in your pocket but with no capital growth won't set you on a path to wealth. I'm thinking it's not a good idea to encourage newbies to go out and buy any positively geared property off your website.

    Derek wrote:
    As stated above the number of these properties that make good overall investments have diminished over the years but they are out there.

    The key issue for me is the property still needs to be fundamentally solid – even Steve mentioned this in his first book.

    While getting cashflow suits a cashflow investor six years ago (or so) there were herds of people buying property here, there and everywhere just because it met the 11sec test.  This led to a number of people buying property in very remote and, what I would call, unsuitable, locations. Remember underlying fundamentals remain important.

    Key is you may need to look a little further afield if you want an 'off the shelf' property which is cashflow positive.

    PS Just looking at something that looks like meeting both of these criteria at the moment.

    Exactly!!! good points.

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    Great info above.
     Also it sounds like it may be a serviced appt. Check that and if so check management fees and how they are leased etc.

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    Corie wrote:
    Hate to sound biased but the best way to find positive geared properties is using Real Estate Investar. I just performed 2 searches, 1 with a minimum rental yield of 8% returning 94 results and the 2nd with a minimum of 9% yield, returning 32 results. Even with an 8% rental yield you are doing well.

    These searches combined took me less than 10 minutes and these searches were only in Oz. Real Estate Investar also allows you to search in NZ.

    One thing to remember is that +ve geared properties are not your normal 3×2 houses in any capital city. They are often located in rural towns, mining towns or places you wouldn't go, even if someone paid you. You have to be prepared to invest in towns you may never have heard of if buying +ve geared properties is the strategy you want to pursue. But no one strategy is better than than the others, it all depends on what suits you best.

     If you have a vision or dream then go for it and dont let anybody tell you otherwise.

    Corie

    How biased of you!

    You don't HAVE to buy in rural areas. You just need to buy under market value or value add. And it CAN be a normal 3×2 in any capital city.

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    SCA- subject to Council Approval

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    Why risk it for the sake of $50?

    Some contracts (housing comm) say you cannot delay settlement (for anything). The risk you take.

    You have paid $20-40,000 deposit. If something did happen you could be fighting for months to get your money back. I'd rather sleep at night.

    My bank lady told me the new policy is they need a copy of the insurance documents before they release the funds.

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    After 5 years just ask to stay on interest only.
     
    I've never heard of anyone having a problem.
    5 years is a long time. You may have enough property by then to pay them down and retire.

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    When I buy a property I keep all paperwork in a folder (eg, contract, purchase details, lease agreement.

    I put yearly paperwork (for tax purposes) in a folder (one for each property).

    I also have a file for each property to keep electronic files.

    I have an overall spreadsheet detailing costs etc. Also one of my financial position now (property values, loans etc), incomings and outgoings.

    I also have a goal sheet with my projected position so I know where I'm going. .

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    As above plus-
    Make sure of your price both for purchase and reno and selling price? Add in extra for the reno (both time and money). Don't forget there is stamp duty, loan costs, solicitor costs (for both buying and selling), agent fees to sell. This adds at least $10,000. No use doing it unless there's a good margin in it.
     Is there a good demand for small 2 bedroom houses?

    If you sell AFTER 12 months you get 50% off the CGT.

    Make sure you discuss ALL scenarios. Eg what if it doesn't sell? How will you fund the reno? How will you fund the shortfall (if you rent it out)? WHO is doing the reno? eg who does what, how much time?  What experience do you have with renovations?

    The more you plan the more likely you are to make it work.

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    An accountant with a sense of humour. That might be a stretch.

     Just kidding.

    Do you need friends?
     I would have thought finding an accountant that knows his/her stuff and thus help you with your financial independence would be enough.

    What's your priority?  Or do you want ALL the things you listed. If so good luck to you.

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    xdrew that does sound inviting but hopefully people read it don't jump in thinking it's a too good t pass up offer. There are thousands of these properties in that area and more springing up every week. Seems developers everywhere there are buying old houses and knocking them down to build these things.

    Vacancy rates aren't that low either. Buy at the wrong time and yo can wait months for a tenant.

    Pays to do your due diligence.

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    You can add a room, you can't add land.

    Depends how much extra land you're talking though? Enough to add a granny flat/develop?

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    xdrew- some valid points IF it is a serviced apartment.

    Not ALL studios are a bad investment. Yes they are small and finance is harder to get but ones near the city are in hot demand and if you choose a good one (not in giant complexes with pools) you can make some nice CG.

    It would not be my choice as a first investment though. To restrictive with the banks.

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    OK not much info.
    Are you living in it while renovating?
    I'll assume it's an investment property that you want to renovate ASAP to get tenants in (that's an area I know about).

    So the answer is the bathroom. It takes the longest. Start first and you'll still be doing it at the end.  My next reno is NOT having a new bathroom (just an update).

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    So are you looking for a mentor you can pay to teach you the ropes or a partnership (you mention partnering up)?

    If the second, what are you contributing to the partnership? If you are not working I'm assuming time?

    What have you done so far (if you don't mind me asking). Just wondering what the "next step" is for you.

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    annacm_88 wrote:

    Thankyou so much for your reply! I thought that would be the case. Just another question, I have found a studio apartment in sydney for $145,000 with rent of $298 p/w if i could come up with the the money to buy this for example, could owning property help me at all when it comes to borrowing money?

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    I don't understand the question about owning a property helping with borrowing money?

    The above sounds like serviced apartment to me. Be careful.

     Also check out the effects of rent on your pension. They seem to take the rent as your income but don't decuct loan costs and outgoings.

     

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    wblack wrote:
    Finally….today we took the plunge and signed up to our first investment property! Thanks to everyone for their feedback on this discussion and other discussions we've posted, and for the forum overall…..the advice has been invaluable just to get us this far…

    Congratulations.

    OK do tell. How did you overcome your fears? Did you use a buyers agent? I'd love to hear your processes that helped you decide this was the one.

    Before you said you'd bought I was going to say look at the numbers. That's what counts with IP's. Friends say "I wouldn't buy anything I wouldn't live in myself" which is why they own nothing.

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    It depends on the discount. If someone offers me 10% discount I'm not interested as I'll save more than that on tax. But having said that it's a long time to get that money back if using buy and hold method.

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