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WOW!!! I admire your research. Sounds like you have a good idea of where you want to go and that's a BIG thing.
Are the 4 flip properties in addition to the initial 4 plus the 2 houses? What time frame are you talking? That's a lot of property to buy. It takes time to research and then find properties. I've been buying 2 a year (but this year I've already bought my 2 so maybe 3 this year and it takes a lot of hours (plus I reno them). I don't sell. But will later (after Sydney has it's next boom)
Having a mix of CF+ and CF- will balance out so overall you may be CF neutral and in that case your wage would not be affected.
I haven't used LMI but I don't have an equity issue. I have friends that always use it, even if they have a low LVR. Everyone has different opinions. As you said it is tax deductible but my thinking is why pay it if you don't need the extra 10%. In your case I guess the extra 10% on each will add up to extra equity to allow you to build your portfolio quicker. But still there's a limit to your overall borrowing and having all your loans at 90% is outside my risk profile.
Do you have any areas in mind? West Sydney? Regional?
I'm in Sydney if you want to come along to some meetups. It's great to chat with like minded people. There's one in Parra in 2 weeks if you are interested. Have you heard of Nathan Birch? He's a guest speaker. Google him. His methodology may suit you.
As Terry said. How will it convert to be in both names?
That's a lot of tax to pay on the CF.
What I meant with needing the $450K for new PPOR was- are you going to buy/build a new PPOR? do you have the money for that? Otherwise you are borrowing to buy/build the new PPOR and that loan has no tax deductability.
Welcome.
Great work starting so young.
Sounds like you have an ambitious goal. 9 properties paid in full in 9 years. How are you going to achieve that?
Not saying this is you but many people start out and have a pie in the sky goal with no clue as to how they'll get there. This is VITAL if you really mean to achieve that goal.
eg will you buy 16 and wait for CG then sell half to pay down the other half? Will you pay one off (if you have a high wage) then buy another (I do not recommend this at all). Buy as many as you can quickly in high growth areas and pay down? Buy cheap and renovate to increase equity to then use that equity to buy again?
I'd be interested in your strategy and how you are going to achieve your goal.
Depends on your situation.
Do you need the $450K to build your new PPOR? That would make a huge dent in your loan. Are you young and need a low home loan to start a family?$50K per year is nice. What's your wage? Is the house in both names? If you have a decent wage that will be taxed at 30-50%. If one is not working 1/2 will attract little tax. If you keep the house what is the likely CG in the future? If you wanted for example to both work part time to have a family this would be a good option.
Too many variables to give more answers.
Great position to be in either way. Well done!emptyvessel wrote:Out of interest, what do you regard as "highly leveraged"?Is it an absolute measurement or a relative one?
This would vary from person to person and how risk averse you are.
When people are in the accumulation phase some are leveraged as high as 90%+. That scares me. A slight negative shift and you may have banks recalling loans. But each to their own. If you are on a high wage and have huge disposable income I guess you could quickly change your situation. But it's not for me. I like to play it safe.
It's also good to have cash reserves as a backup.
When your sentence said "in these areas" I was waiting for a list of areas you were considering.
There are thousands of people that invest in all areas.
Depends what your strategy is. I see you mentioned CF+. Do you have means to create it or are you just hoping one will fall in your lap[ ready to give you an income for day one?
I have friends that invest in areas I'm not interested in and visa versa. Doesn't mean one area is wrong and another is right. We just have different needs and goals.Yep sounds like you're just starting. Keep reading and researching.
It doesn't come in a few weeks.
Lino in bathroom? Sounds strange.
I only tile bathrooms, floor and walls to ceiling.
I like carpet in the bedrooms (so do lots of renters). I have polished floorboards in some living areas. I am yet to see how they stand up over time. I also have a few with carpet throughout. Staining is a problem.
Polishing is a lot cheaper. I prefer the polished floors now because of cost, except in really cold areas.
I beg to differ. If they introduced you to the property they have a claim.
When you sign there is a section that asks "were you introduced to the property by anyone other than the selling agent?".
smsfstrategies wrote:Property has proved a relatively secure investment over the past quarter decade in Australia, with returns above 8 per cent in some metropolitan markets,
And where would that be??
Come on. You're going to buy property because it has had good returns for 2 1/2 years???
Good on you for starting to think about your investment options but read a LOT more before embarking on any investments.
Go to seminars, read, meet people, discuss.Or is your post just a plug for the link??
USA70 wrote:. After contacting the company they have got what it looks like I am after.Adam
Which is???
n_green983 wrote:At this stage we will be keeping all three. Though that will be continually evaluated as time goes by. I do understand that ideally we would sell both, pay down PPOR as much as possible and then re-draw to re-purchase more IPs making the majority of interest deductible, however at this stage we are just going to rent both IP's out for 6 months or so and then make a decision.
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Meanwhile, anyone have any advice for property managers in these areas?No I definitely would not sell. The money you lose selling then buying again is wasted money. Sydney market is moving so you'll lose CG to sell now (my opinion of course + lots of others I have to admit) Sorry can't help with agents in those areas.
Congrats on the marriage.ajago5 wrote:I may be paranoid but I'm starting to think the bubble isnt a myth.. it does make sense ..what goes up must come down..especially with our excess dept.Really? While property does not go up in a steady stream it goes up over time.
It is VERY difficult to time the market. As they say "It's not timing the market, It's time in the market".
While it is nice to buy at the start of an upswing (or just before it happens) we can't always predict it.In 2008 everyone said I was crazy to buy but I made a nice CG since then. There are always doomers and gloomers.
There are always reasons not to buy but serious investors will always find somewhere to buy if they want to.Personally I'm not a buy and hope it goes up investor. I make my money on the way in. If it gets more CG on top then that's great.
photon2157 wrote:By investing in low income areas, are you foregoing capital growth in favour of cash flow?I don't believe so. But suburbs vary. Many people will only invest within 10km of CBD as they say this is where CG is highest. For many suburbs that is true but not all. When prices rise it is usually a ripple effect so outer suburbs (I'm talking major cities here) may get their growth a few months behind.
If suburbs near the city go up then the next ones will, etc etc. Of course there are individual suburbs and even streets that won't go up as much.
Personally I need CG + decent cashflow. If CG is great but it costs a fortune to hold then overall it's not that great (and there's only so many of that type of property you can afford to hold. Also if you have great cash flow but no CG are you working toward wealth creation or just holding your own? Depends what your strategy is. Maybe get a balance. The positive CF ones can help you hold the high CG ones.
Yes. Claim interest, rates, insurance etc against the rent.
The rule applies as long as you don't buy another property and claim it as a PPOR as you can only claim one at a time (well there is a 6mnth exemption).
Move back in for a while then you can do it all again.
hbbehrendorff wrote:Maybe its less to do with the media and more to do with the fact that getting $350 bucks a week rent on a house that costs $650 a week to hold onto isn't such a good investment after all. I think ppl are slowly waking up to the fact that property in general is far overvaluedIf you think that's what investing in property means better try something else.
Yes people do still buy property to reduce their tax. But these are not serious investors. It is usually uninformed mum and dad investors who listen to the "we'll save you tax" spiels. What many fail to realise is to save tax you need to lose money. I prefer making money myself.There are some great deals out there ATM. Just need to look. Even some CF+ in Sydney. Even slightly CF- in Sydney will bring rewards quickly as rents and CG go up.
Hi Hawk- What will you bring to the table? ie do you have money/expertise in renovating?
So you want to joint venture so you can buy more expensive properties? renovate more quickly (with more people)?
There are a few groups in Sydney that meet regularly. The Right Group is one which meets in Rosehill (Parramatta) every fortnight. You may meet some people there that may be interested. Only $10 a meeting and you get good info and an opportunity to network.
There are also meetups in Parramatta and Chatswood (not Right Group) whish are usually great for a chat. Good way to hear how others are doing it.
Portfolio PI wrote:jamesw82 wrote:. rent for a 550k house is approx $630-$650 per weekNothing stunning in that.
So you'd be buying for Capital Gain then?
What's the matter with baby boomers? I'm one and I'd listen to me.
I was always told "listen to those who have what you want or are where you want to be". Obviously they know what they are doing.
There are many different paths to property investment. Read as many books as you can and work out the right path for you to achieve your goal. Work out what your goal is of course. Make it specific. Not "I want to retire in 10 years". Specify what you will do to achieve your final goal. Eg save $30,000 by ** then buy a property that is neutrally geared. Do a reno, reval and buy again etc etc (whatever your strategy is).
It can be confusing but the more you read the more you'll work out. Read forums and ask questions about things you have read to gain clarity.
Go to a few courses if you can. Not the $1000's of dollar ones. There are some cheap and free ones that are OK for beginners. You can meet likeminded people too. Attend meetups etc. This is one of the best things to get you moving to your end goal.
Good luck with your future endeavors.Do you mean you are looking at changing Strata management?
I did that with one of mine. The management was HOPELESS. I was very happy with one of my others so rang them and they helped me draft the letters for the EGM etc as I didn't know how to go about it.
Look at how big the company is. How many staff they have. How many properties each staff is responsible for. Charges (of course).I'm in Sydney if you need a recommendation. Conti Property Group are a small company with very individual service. I would highly recommend them. Speak to Joe Conti if interested.
Most are houses in Western Sydney. One villa. One unit and villa will get a reno when the tenants move out (new kitchen, paint, update bathroom only).