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I disagree. You can only claim interest if the property is available for rent. Some people advertise it for rentearlier than it's ready to get around this. You need to decide whether the ATO will know it was not rented because of the reno's or because you were waiting for a tenant. Up to you.
The other things can be claimed because the need has arisen because the property was tenanted (eg repairs). If they are capital improvements though (eg replacing the carpet- as opposed to cleaning it) you cannot claim them.
What's your goal in buying property? It's a bit difficult going on your limited info. You can buy in many areas of Sydney for $750K.
We all want capital growth but it can't be guaranteed. If you are too negatively geared any growth is quickly eroded and you find yourself going backwards very quickly.Maybe look at 2 cheaper properties with a better yield.
Everyone has their own strategy. Even the "experts" disagree. Some saying only by within 10km of the CBD, others saying buy out west for better yield etc.
You need to decide what's best for your strategy and which will get you closer to your goal.Tax deductions are all well and good but remember they are the icing on the cake, they are not THE cake.
Why would you want to buy a weekender in you SMSF?
I doubt you could do it as it's supposed to make money. A weekender is not an investment.
If she signs the agreement (A MUST) then the laws apply. If she's late with payments she gets notification (after 14 days). But having said that the courts do often favour the tenant.
If she's been paying for 12 years, why would she stop now?
What's the difference in what she will pay and market rent? Why are you supplementing her income?
I know it's difficult when you meet the tenants and they are nice but you need to think about the money out of your pocket and into hers. But also take into account- if she did move out how much would you have to spend to get it up to rentable condition? How long would it take (with the extra rent) to get your money back. If there's a fair bit of work and the extra rent is not huge it's probably easier to leave her there.
menia wrote:Hi guys,I'm looking to buy an inevstement property in Sydney. My budget is $750k and this would be a buy and hold option, I'm in it for the negatove gearing and the capital growth.
I'm interested to hear evryones opinion as to which areas are good to invest in?
Cheers
MPlenty of areas where you can lose money each year (ie negative gearing). No guarantee of CG.
I don't buy to lose money so can't help you there. Sorry.
Jamie M wrote:Catalyst wrote:Where does the rent go into? Where do you pay the bills from? Where does the interest get debited from?offset account Cheers Jamie
I was asking the poster where HER rent goes and where HER bills are paid to and from if she doesn't have a specific offset or LOC.
Where does the rent go into? Where do you pay the bills from? Where does the interest get debited from?
I have a LOC for that purpose. I only keep a small amount in it. It's easier for the accountant as everything goes in and out of that one account. Rent goes in, bills, interest goes out.
I live in Sydney (baby boomer) in a big house. Would like to downsize a little but have too much junk.
I wouldn't mind a duplex (owning both and renting half and living in the other half). I'd like a bit of a yard but not the massive one we have now (not that I do lawns- or pools). If I find the right block that's what I'll do.
Strata fees are a deterrent for me for an apartment plus privacy. I doubt I'd ever leave Sydney.
Good advice above. There are hundreds (thousands?) of people now doing courses by Rick Otton and the like) to set up these deals. Of course people do this to make money. They pay $5K to do the course and get the materials.
It's not a scam but tread carefully. Personally (as I said) I would ONLY go this path if there is no other way to get into a property (and you REALLY) want to own your own home. Just be aware that people are making money on the deal. Every extra person in the deal means more people making money (middlemen).
If you are going to use the equity to buy another property go to the bank and apply for a loan (as they requested). Then they will do a reval to assess your borrowing limit.
When you apply for the loan give them details of your current house eg cut and past pictures of similar houses from RE.com showing the price to show what your is worth. Explain that you have renovated and is now worth $XX. Put pictures of your house with reno pictures.
When I applied for more money (LOC) they revalled one I had only bought 2 months earlier. I didn't request it. They onkly valued it at 10% more but that's Ok I only spent $5K on the reno. It is worth more than that though.
This is becoming popular in Australia and has been available overseas for a while.
I haven't got time to type all the details but it is legal here. Read this site- there is an Ebook to download explaining it. Or google Rent to own. Or google Rick Otton- he set up Webuyhouses and he teaches courses on how to do this (they're the agents that get you into the deal).
Just be careful that you get a house you really want. Not just one that you think Oh well I would be paying rent anyway so it's free. I think only the "extra" rent you pay goes to the purchase. Not ALL the rent. Get a solicitor to check (yours, not theirs).
http://www.renttoownhome.com.au/
It is purely designed for people who cannot get into a property in the normal manner. If you have a deposit you can sourse properties cheaper yourself (assuming you have the knowhow). Nothing is for nothing.
So everyone here is predicting every area in Australia will go down? haha. Yeah I'll wait for that.
In the meantime I'm making money buying undervalued properties because on the news they said GFC2 is coming.
Advice- don't watch the news. Do real research into what's happening IN THE AREA YOU WANT to buy. Get educated that way you won't be swayed by people who believe everything they hear on the news. .
Some areas will go up, some will go down.
Most of the time it's financially better to rent AS LONG as you do something productive with the money you would be putting into a mortgage (if you had one).
Another idea would be to buy an investment property. But I wouldn't advocate buying and hoping for capital growth, Hope is not an investment strategy.I would want to be a bit more sure than "should get a minimum $500K". As the figures could be close.
Purchase = $210 + purchase costs $7K + demolish $15K? + interest for a year $13K + rates etc $2K + build $200K = $447K
Landscaping? I'd want a close figure for the build. You only need to go over 10% overall and there's not much margin in it.
If you sell for $500K that's $53K gross. Not bad if the figures are right. I'd be really sure of your sale price too. Are they advertised at that or selling at that?
Mind mentioning where they are? If houses are selling for over $500K then $210K would be land value. I have RP data if you need end sales data and how long properties are taking to sell..
Good luck.
pjstew wrote:Catalyst, Thanks for your comments. In terms of your LOC – is LOC able to be obtained from a different lender to my current home loan? I'm trying to avoid re financing.You don't have to refinance. Just get a LOC from the same bank (they have the deeds so you can't use that property with another bank). As mentioned- get the new stand alone loan with another bank if you like. I like to have a few with one bank so I can get 1% discount.
pjstew wrote:Do you use your LOC to make up the shortfall ( rent in V loans interest)?Yes but I'm CF neutral now so no longer need to. I used to top it up as needed.
pjstew wrote:I guess my concern with this kitty method is what Stefk is saying – you never get out of a hole until the home becomes positively geared.Well I don'e see at it as a hole (but it depends what you buy). Sure you may be CF- but if you buy right that won't be for long and you should have extra equity in your purchase. I buy, reno, hold. I vuy places under market value and add value by reno. This also increases the rent to where they are CF neutral or positive. I don't need to but if I wanted to I could revalue the property and up my loan then take the money back out and put it back in the LOC. With this strategy you can keep buying forever. As soon as one house is finished I get approval for the next.
I don't believe in buying a negatively geared property and hoping for CG. That's where you could get yourself into a hole as you would be paying money out of your pocket each week and going backwards.
If you don't use the LOC where will you get the deposit? If you have to save for a deposit each time you will nevber get beyond 2 properties. You need to change your thinking about using other peoples money. I've borrowed all the money from banks using LOC and loans. I had no cash. But with good buying and adding value through reno and CG I'm not highly geared.
pjstew wrote:Richard if it makes things easier I have a home worth 500K and outstanding loan of 300K. i look forward to your comments. PaulYou could get a LOC for $100K. Just be sure to keep it for investment only. If it's used for both personal and investment you may have trouble claiming tax deductions.
I also have another small LOC which all monies go in and out (ie rents go in, bills go out). It makes accounting easier.
I use my LOC for deposits and purchase costs on properties. That way you just get an 80% loan for the purchase (which saves Mortgage Insurance LMI) which is a stand alone loan (ie not crossed with your home).
A mentor can be a great asset but you need to be careful.
There are a lot of places offering mentoring. Some are franchised off and some of the "mentors" have not been in the game that long.With the ones touting their courses there are differing levels also. There is BIG money in selling your system with a 3 day workshop. Average around $6,000. Sometimes there are 50 people at the 3 day workshops That's a cool $300K (minus venue costs etc) but still not a bad deal.
It's quite comical watching how they hype people up with their "only 19 places left at this price". "book now and also get a set of steak knives". etc. But it works. Watch the people run to the back of the room to sign up. Some sound so wonderful how could you not believe you'll make double your money back on your first transaction.
Maybe the presenters get a buzz out of it. I know I could talk property till the cows came home (showing my age now). I'd love to run seminars and teach people about property (except I don't know enough and I hate talking in front of people). haha small hurdles I know. .The thing is everyone wants the easy road, get rich quick scheme. Not that I'm saying they are all that. Most have really good ideas and strategies but it would be interesting to know what % actually follow through and make money. It would be pretty small I think.
I think it's better to start with what you are comfortable with, instead of some hair brained scheme, then step up to the next level.
Having likeminded people around you is definitely a huge advantage. Join a club or go to meetups etc. That's how I got motivated to get moving. When you meet people just like yourself you think "if they can do it so can I". It's as simple as that. Most people are willing to help others get started. I think a lot of the big guys are just like that too.
Actually I think it's funny that others don't take advantage of those around them. I went to a weekend seminar last week. Sat next to many different people, both in the lectures and at lunch. You say hello. People don't talk. I'm always asking what people are interested in, what strategy the are following etc. Lots were beginners. Very rarely did anyone ask what I was doing or investing in (maybe they thought I wouldn't know anything??). Silly misconceptions robbed them of maybe finding out something that could have helped them on their way.Reading books is great but talking with people that are doing it is very powerful. There's a quote (which I can't find) about half an hour with a learned man is worth a thousand books (something like that).
OK not answering your question but what experience do you have in sourcing deals and renovating/developing?
Have you done a course? Sounds like an idea I heard at a seminar.
Unit? House?
CG returns? rental returns?
I know someone that just bought a unit there $1M – rents for $600pw. good for tax deductions I guess.
That's going to need some SERIOUS capital growth to make up for the loss every year.
Not my cup of tea though. I like to make money.
If the bank knows there is no insurance they will not lend you the money. I would not take the chance with insurance. Now some may say "what are the chances of it burning down". OK not great BUT insurance also covers public liability. So if someone visits you (or your neighbours) and trips down the stairs. Guess who pays the bills YOU. If they are off work for 6 months. Guess who they sue. YOU!!!!
Are you willing to risk everything you own? That's what it comes down to.
The other things I could live with if the deal was right, but not the no insurance bit.
As above. There are many types of property and different reasons for buying them.
Read, get an idea of what YOU want to get out of it. Cash flow, capital gain etc.
This will help you determine what and where you will buy.
Keep asking questions as you go.South West Sydney is as good an area as any to start if you feel comfortable with that area. Go to a few open homes to see what's around.