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    Rick sta wrote:
    I am also 26 and would consider myself to be knowledgable in not only property investment, but finance and economics in general.  I enjoy learning about this stuff, but to be honest, I would never show up to one of these events. I'm slightly paranoid, upon meeting someone my first thought is- what do they want from me, also what do I want from them. I much prefer to sit in a dark room and educate myself. Although paranoid, I am actively investing and have a network of professionals who have worked hard to gain my trust. I started from scratch with no formal education and currently hold 3 IP's as well as other private investments I would prefer the world didn't know about :) 

    Congratulations for realising your problem. That's the first step. The next is doing something about it.

    I have been to many investment meetups and haven't been brainwashed or had my mind read to see what I am doing.

    I have actually made some long term friends along my journey. A meetup is just that- people chatting about what they do (if they want) and answering questions from newbys. People don't usually ask how many properties etc you own. Even if asked some say "enough" or "not enough" etc. 

    I love talking property and none of my regular friends invest so it's great to chat about that and more often than not you find you have other things in common also.

    I met one guy a few times who was very quiet. He seemed to know a bit but wasn't opinionated or anything. Turns out he has a many multi million dollar portfolio.

    So your loss. Good luck with your investing though.

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    A young meetup sounds great but in reality it may be the blind leading the blind.

    Do you want to hang with the guys or learn about property investing? 

     Surely its better to meet with other investors (regardless of age) with like minded goals. I have been to meetups where some people haven't bought yet and others have multiple properties and years of investing experience. There are many experienced investors who are very generous with their time and expertise. Why through that away because they aren't 26? 

    Doesnt make sense to me. Disclaimer-  I'm more than double 26. 

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    It doesn't matter where you live. Its what you  own as your PPOR. You claim 1 residence as your PPOR. If you buy an investment property you can continue to claim the first as your PPOR. If you move into the investment property you can change that to your PPOR if you want. 

    You can rent it out for up to 6 years and not have to pay CGT. After that if you move back in then out again you can do it for another 6 years. 

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    Hi you can't use the 6 year rule in your situation. In order to qualify to use the 6 year rule you have to have lived in it from settlement. So it won't make any difference whether you move into it then rent it. But you can claim one as your PPOR so you will avoid land tax. 

    If you rent out your existing PPOR though (assuming you moved into it when you bought it) you can take advantage of the 6 year rule on that property.

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    Are you going to tell us how to do it or is that your way of asking someone to help you!   

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    Hi, a few questions.

     What are your long term goals? 

    Why would you rent? Can you rent for more cheaply than you can in your PPOR? If so that can save money. 

    You need to crunch some numbers with each option. 

    If you want to build a portfolio, selling at the beginning may not be the best option. BUT it depends on the property. Can you get enough equity out to buy again? If you rent elsewhere will this allow you to save more deposit? 

    Where are you located? Buyers agents can help but be careful of those that actually have properties to sell. There may be a conflict of interest.

    if you are considering renting out the PPOR change to an interest only loan so you have the excess to invest again. Get an offset to park extra money. If you plan to sell, it's not so critical.  Speak to a good mortgage broker for loan set ups as mistakes in the beginning can put a halt on your investing in the future. 

    Cheers. 

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    Hi Sebastian. Why not attend one of the Sydney meetups? We had a great one at Baulkham Hills last week. Both new and experienced investors. Informal chatting about investing and whatever comes up. 

    Check out she Somersoft forum. Meetups are listed there. 

    Its a great way to network and meet like minded people. 

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    You are liable for the rent until the lease expires (so 12 months). The RE agent should advertise for a new tenant (at the same rent) and you pay until the new tenant moves in. They can also charge you advertising and change over costs.

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    If you google The Investors club there is a myriad of info on them.  

    They have loyal members who seem to be happy with the club. They offer commissions to those in the club to recruit new buyers. I don't like that.

    Maybe go to a meeting and see what you think. I signed a thing at a property show and get Emails. I was going to go to a meetup out of curiosity but only the beginners ones were after work hours so I couldn't find anything suitable for me. 

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    You still claim it as your PPOR if you are not intending to buy another place to live in during that time.  Important to make sure your accountant knows about the 6yr rule if you sell. If they are not property savvy they may not.

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    Yes, up to a year ago I was buying properties under market value in western Sydney that had been sitting there with no buyers.  Dark night. I haven't even bothered going as it's just crazy out there. Might go to an auction just out of interest. I'd be interested to see who is actually buying this stuff at those prices. No one I know that invests out there that's for sure.

    Now they have shot up in price smiley and everyone is buying surprise. It's a herd mentality. It's interesting to see the hoards of new posters on investment forums also with posts asking "how and where to buy". Problem is they think they need to hurry before prices rise and mistakes are made. And there are plenty of companies that will help them spend their money.

    The media says it's going up so everyone wants their piece of the action. Is it 2000 all over again? Might be time to offload a few so I can buy at the fire sales.enlightened

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    Hi.

    If you move in straight away you can after that move out for a period of 6 years and rent it without paying CGT. It's commonly called the 6yr rule (look it up).

    The proviso is that you don't buy another property and claim that as your principal place of residence (PPOR).

    If you rent it first then move in and then back out again you can't use this rule so it's important that you move in FIRST. There is no stipulation about the time you need to stay there but enough so that it looks like your intention of the purchase was to live in it.

    If you can't move in to it, it is still your PPOR (if you don't buy another PPOR) and you won't pay CGT is you don't rent it. If you do you pay CGT on the portion of time you rented it. Eg if you own it for 10 years and rent it for 5 you'll pay CGT on half the CG.

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    You can borrow up to 80% of the value of the property without paying LMI (Lenders mortgage insurance).

    If the new property is valued at $200,000 you can borrow $160,000 on that property.

    OK property 1 is valued at $400,000 and has a loan of $300,000.  You can borrow up to 80% of the value of $400,000 which is $320,000. So you can borrow another $20,000.

     Set up a separate loan for the deposit (don't just draw it out of the existing loan) and then get a stand alone loan of 80% of property 2 against property 2. That way they aren't cross collaterised.  You can do the new loan up to 90% LVR but you'll have to pay LMI.

    Hope that makes sense. If not ask further questions.

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    If you buy it as tenants in common her share automatically goes to you.  ASSUMING your siblings don't contest it.  She can say it in her will that she leaves it to you. But still a risk. What are the siblings like?

    We don't have inheritance tax in Australia (ATM).

    Why do you want to put it in half your mum's name? This will also affect her pension (if she's on one). Will she be living in it? If so and you don't charge her market rent you will have problems trying to claim tax losses.

    Yes you will pay CGT. If your mum lives in it, not on her half for that time I think (check with an accountant).

    Personally I don't think it's a good idea.

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    You can transfer % but I think if it is done as a tax avoidance strategy you may have difficulty.

    I don't think you will be too positive (not including depreciation).

    You need to deduct interest,  insurance, body corp, water, council rates, maintenance, property manager fees.

    Add that up and see if it's higher than the net rent.

    You then halve the amount to add to your tax (half yours, half your wife's) 

    If changing ownership consider the long term effect (selling and CGT for example).

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    Sydney is definitely hot at the moment.

    People ARE paying more than valuations. But having said that it does take a while for valuation companies to come up to speed. On a whole though I wouldn't say Sydney is overpriced. We have been due for some decent growth.

    I believe interest rates will be low for a while but they can't stay low. THIS is when it gets interesting. If it's true that new time investors are buying we may see some correction when some can no longer hold onto properties. When interest rates go from 5% to 8% in a short time it will hurt the unprepared. On a $300,000 property interest will go from $15,000 to $24,000pa. Not many people budget for having $173 less per week.

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    I wouldn't worry about the 3rd child. That's easily explained. Just write everything down in case you need to present it at court. If you are moving out why are they worried about that (unless they are just trying to scare you out of complaining.

    Tribunals tend to side with the tenant so if you have everything detailed and show how reasonable they are (all the inspections, not fixing thing etc) you will not have any problems.

    I've never heard of an agent like it. Yes there are some newby landlords that are over the top but usually agents put them in their place.

    You have been VERY unlucky indeed.

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    You don't have to as far as legalities go. I had one tenant ask and I changed one but said they'd have to pay for the other. It had a security screen so they didn't worry.

    Depending on what types of locks you have though you could buy a new tumbler set and change them. Keep the existing ones and if you need to change them again or in another property you have them.

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    Is it a waste of his time?   He gets paid good money to do seminars.  I could think of a lot of other things he could do to waste time.

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    Hi do you mean you had 3 inspections? You are only allowed 4 a year. Sounds like overkill to me.

    Sounds like a terrible property with landlords and an agent that don't care. Did you not notice the problems before you moved in? I'm a bit wary when people make promises to fix things after you've signed. If they intended to fix them they would have before being offered for rent.

    I hate to say it but be prepared to fight tooth and nail for your bond back. Hope you have documented everything. Take photos to back your case. And when you do go to court turn the tables on them and ask for compensation.

    SO annoying. Unfortunately there are bad landlords and tenants. Luckily this is not the norm. I consider myself very lucky to only have had exceptional tenants. But then I give them a clean, tidy house and fix any issues promptly.

    Hope everything works out for you and you have better luck next time.

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