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Thanks for the post – great thread!
I’m really interested in hearing some success stories for DIY works that have resulted in capital growth and/or increased rental yield.
I say this because I’ve just purchased a new PPOR, and am going develop some skills by attempting a very basic cosmetic reno. It’s a small 60’s three-floor walk up, and all it really needs is new paint on the walls/cieling (floors are fine – they were recently renovated with floating timber floorboards). The windows are old metal ones, and I was thinking about painting them, then removing the ugly vertical blinds, and replacing them with custom-fitted plantation shutters. Kitchen and bathroom are fine; just need some painting.
Once this is completed, I was thinking I’d use the skills and contacts I’ve made to then conduct a cosmetic reno on one of my IP’s. But this is where I come unstuck. I have an IP in greater western Sydney (St Marys area). It’s a very old top floor red brick apartment. Great bones but needs new paint (cheap and easy), new carpets, new kitchen, bathroom, and laundry, plus, new window coverings are needd. I think I’d be in for $20K plus. Problem is, I think it’d only gain me an additional yield of $20, maybe $30 pw. This means only $1560 revenue in one year. Sure, there’d be some great depreciable claims for tax, but with the property becoming so positively geared, I’m wary of doing to much work on it.
Thing is, the unit is in dire need of renovation. So it’s one of those ‘damned if I do; damned if I don’t’ things.
Any suggestions for me?
Thoughts are to try and do some of the works myself (painting). The place is actually floorboarded; it’s just the two bedrooms requiring new carpet. The real expense is kitchen/bathroom/laundry. I could maybe get away with just a tart-up (so instead of new cupboards, appliances, tiling, electrics, basins, sinks etc, could I get away with just: painting existing cupboards (chaging all the handles, knobs, spouts etc to be more modern), basic ‘extra large’ wall tiling (which I could do myself; see; extra-large tiles are cheaper and easier to do, with the imperfections less noticeable. As for the window coverings, perhaps the cheapest possible vertical blinds? Or maybe just new curtains?
I agree with many of the comments on here.
It 100% does depend on the way you intend to use the property (or indeed properties) in the future.If you are certain the PPOR you are in now; will remain a PPOR for 15-20 years, then making the loan P&I is the way to go.
But if the place is only a short-term ‘home’ (say just a couple of years; using as a stepping stone to a different property, for example), then setting it up as IO for the longevity of the loan is the best thing to do.
Just remember your ‘cake base’ (for most investors, this is usually the first property you purchased; probably as a PPOR, before drawing equity out of it to fund future IP’s). This is the property where you should either be paying P&I (if you are occupying it), or if it is rented out, you should be pushing cash into an offset account held against this property, and not others.
I made this mistake for the past two years until my accountant recently corrected me on it.
The lines then get further blurred when you move in and out of different properties. Some say you should ‘only buy IP’s for investment, and never use them at any time for PPOR purposes’. But I disagree.I just settled my 4th property, which is to be my PPOR for the next few years at least. I have set it up as IO (along with my other three properties, even my first ‘cake base’ purchase’), but pouring all my ‘offset’ cash into an offset account against this fourth one (and not my first purchase), with the intent of making this fourth property my new ‘cake base’.
This means that future property purchases will draw from the equity in property #4, not property #1 (like I have been doing). One of the influencing reasons for this is because property #4 is actually more expensive than #1, and has greater capital growth prospects than property #1.
I blogged more about ‘cake-base’ strategy here:
http://www.propertyspectator.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/building-your-cake-base-six-year-itch.html
But after reading some comments I don’t think I got it quite right.
I’d be really interested in hearing more from those who have applied such a shifting strategy in their portfolio.Cheers,
Agree with all here.
Whilst I’ve had the fortune (and in all honesty, LUCK) during my first property purchase to apply with just one lender and have that lender approved, many new/young investors do get stung by this.
I’ve even had my lender, after pre-approving me, and then me saying ‘Actually, I might look at some other lender deals first’, ‘kindly’ remind me that I should not go and get pre-approvals with other lenders if I’m already out-to-market with him (effectively working his magic to ‘guarantee’ I’ll go with them!)
The process Derek recommends via use of a mortgage broker’s software is a good one. Remember, mortgage brokers work ‘for free’ to their clients (instead, taking a small cut of the deal with which ever lender you end up with).
Also can’t stress and agree enough that only make the pre-approval with the shortlisted lender you actually want to go with. If successful, you then need to act/work very quickly. This is easier for folks who have office jobs (or jobs where they are in front of a computer all day), because these days, most ‘processes’ within the purchase process can occur online/via email. Harder for those working outdoors/Not in front of a computer 9-5, as they have to do all of the work outside of 9-5 hours.
Hi Prospector,
Welcome to the world of investment property!
As others have mentioned, the books, magazines, and forums are great. I’m a big audio-visual person so I’ve discovered Youtube as being a great mecca for local advice by industry experts and professionals.
I also keep my own blog (funnily enough it too has ‘spectator’ in the title!) where I very recently blogged about the dangers of listening to mainstream media (versus specialist media resources such as this very forum). See, I’m from (And still work in) the media industry myself so I know how misleading it can be.
This post is really worth a read, check it out if you have a few spare minutes:
http://www.propertyspectator.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/mainstream-media-glamorisation-of.html
Cheers,