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- Qlds007 wrote:Depends on who the lender is these days it could be Nil.
Hmmm….the broker has previously indictated the lender (which is BankWest) will give a partial refund within 12 months.
B x
Phew….vendor is happy to settle earlier….now it is just up to how quickly the bank/conveyencers can get things happening…..*sigh* …if only these things could be done in 24 hours!!!!
B x
Great…thanks for that!
All appears to be confirmed…after initial delays with finance….so settlement was put back a bit…….
Will speak to the legal eagles!
Thanks!
B x
Thanks Nicholas:
That does help….
I am also trying to plot out how the LVR formula works – step by step – so I can run various scenarios and work out what comes in below the need for LMI…..
B x
Actually, we have found another property that would fit the bill, and explained a bit of the situation to the agent who said a possible rental/long settlement is very much a possibility to the vendor depending on the offer made – it was their PPOR then an investment property and is currently vacant….they are selling up properties *allegedly* as older people wanting to direct funds to their children.
Only way we could go for this property now is to do the long settlement/rental thing. Otherwise we would go for a lower price temporary PPOR (future IP) in our next fave suburb and be able to borrow now at a level that would not involve LMI. Our preference is to be in that long term home now, with no more changes of address….
Richard, I have no clues as to how/where we'd start to arrange a partial vendor finance arrangement……arghhhh!
B x
Ughhh!
I am guessing by the tumbleweeds blowing along this thread that things are more grim than I imagined!
Trying to find info on bridging loans – plenty mentioned here but having trouble finding mention of the actual institutions used.
St George relocation loan idea turned out to be a bust as although current mortage is under the 80% LVR, the 2nd mortgage would push this beyond that until first house is sold……
Can't believe it….income not a problem at all….looks like we become renters AGAIN!
Arghhhh!
B x
duckster wrote:See if you can get bridging finance if you are selling the PPOR property. You may find interest rate is higher but it may help with the timing problem.Thanks Duckster!
I would have thought the cost of bridging finance would be higher than that of the likes of the St George relocation loan….I am happy to be corrected though!
B x
Oh….I should add, yes we would sell the property in the previous town in a heart beat….it was never intended as a rental property, the only reason we didn't put it on the market at the time of moving was because the market was so flat – agent evaluations were quite low – but that has all changed now, with agent estimates more hopeful.
Only thing is, even putting it on the market immediately may not get it sold in time for us to find, sign up and get moved into our new PPOR before new year.
We can not get any time extension on the end of the lease for the rental property we reside in in our new town.
Outside of putting our own house on the market at a firesale price, we are desperate to avoid additional moves.
B x
Yes…..have a current property to sell…..
B x
Hmmm……
Interesting, thanks guys!
I should mention that the current mortgage is with ING.
Oh boy, we really would like to purchase and avoid renting again!
Thanks!
B x
Hey thanks gmnicho…I appreciate your response!
Even at your very lowest estimate of 25k – you think it would be that much to paint internally, paint externally and repolish floors….so at least 8k for EACH of the three jobs? That is before looking at possible re-stumping or re-wiring??
I knew getting things done professionally would cost a bit – but maybe not this much…….
Sure, I am not helping frame the question properly by not having the actual size of the property – but imagine the smallest of the older style commission houses of the 60s.
And yes, I want to pay others to do the work….have no intention of doing it on my own or asking friends.
Thanks!
B
Thanks RIchard!
Er…yes, certainly am asking a lot of questions…trying to finally get smart about this whole business.
I am currently waiting a call back from the mortgage lender to get some details regarding portability of the loan.
Yes, the plan is to sell property A before purchasing property B….and yes, I understand that additional finance would need to be in place before the second property is bought – but just am uncertain of the time frame. For instance letters of offer have a 30/60/90 day (forgotten the exact duration!) life – and presume the same thing would apply here.
Basically, the situation is this:
Sell property A for 230-250k
Mortgage currently has 190k remaining
Purchase property B at a price of 380-400k
Am moving to a larger city, where prices are higher – but income levels support a much larger mortgage repayment. Would like to avoid renting in new location.
So trying to sort out how to go about things in the most simple way possible. I need to go back and read older posts here to learn!
Thanks!
Thanks everyone!
We have decided not to attend.
Initially we went with this PM as that is all they do – manage properties – no real estate sales. But it has kind of back fired as they seem rather pedantic. The 120+ condition report jpegs of the property should have warned us – separate photos of the phone book, the spare light bulb for the WIR, and the utility company magnets for the fridge – I mean really!!!!
I don't want us (as the owners) or the PM to become an annoyance to the tenants, who we would like to keep long term. It is not that long since I was a renter, and I know this would annoy the crap out of me!!!!!
If we need information on the market we can contact the PM at any time, or go to other sources.
I suppose I resented the way the PM was kind of bombastic about our claims that we hadn't heard of owners attending all inspections. She scoffed saying ALL of her clients do ALL of the time. We felt kinda embarrased, and therefore bullied into going along with this. We have now managed to get a bit tougher…..LOL!
Hey Mal111:
Thanks for your interest…
I have decided to spend the next few weeks finishing my emptying out of the place – as a lot of my stuff is stored there. So by the close of January I should be ready to show it to agents of any interested parties….
That is my deadline, and I am doing my best to stick to it!
B x
Hey, thanks everyone – I didn’t think they’d be so many people with such varied ideas….I didn’t want to bore with too much detail in my original post, but as everyone is coming up with good stuff, here is some more detail:
Okay, I am ashamed of the figures. Purchased late 2005 for 85k with not much less than that owing now.
Mortgage further complicated by the need to have a relative as a guarantor, as I was working part time.
Location? Western Victoria, population under 4000. 3 bedroom mid 1960s former authority house, in a street with only 5 ex-gov houses. Opposite park. Basic layout, but good sized rooms (lounge 18ft x 12ft) largest bedroom 15 x 12 ft. Weatherboard with aluminium cladding. Internally plaster in bed and living room and (?) lining boards in bath/toilet/laundry/kitchen. Original wooden windows need restoring or replacing (depends who I ask!) Survey at the time of purchase described it as a good sound house. Roof is iron, it looks rough, but a plumber suggested a high pressure clean would suffice. Bought in a neglected state, eg. Tiling incomplete around bath/shower, allowing for dampness to get into wall space between bathroom and toilet causing rot, and the need to replaster/repair. On moving in discovered the carpet smelt, lifted it to find much pet urine had stained & rotted this. Removed carpet and had floor boards polished, revealing signs of insect activity, although not recent or current. Corner of one bedroom (closest to bathroom) floor honeycomb like, but could (?) have been from the urine….why would anyone lock larges dogs inside a house? Original kitchen was half ripped out. No external shedding, paving, or landscaping. Big block.
Agents have previously claimed it could fetch $130pw + in rent once repaired. Local rentals are hard to come by, with agents having waiting lists. Local growth cited as being due to a new major industry coming to town shortly. Plus it is a lovely picturesque location – well that is what attracted me.
I don’t have a hope of taking out a loan for larger repairs, and have no desire to do so. This is further complicated by needing my guarantor’s permission on extending the mortgage. The man in my life has his own mortgage, and plans to purchase for us elsewhere for a work relocation that will take place in the next year, keeping his current property as rental investment. I currently have some huge medical costs that use up (his) all spare funds, so his borrowing for the repairs is out of the question.
Maybe at worst it would require up to 20k to have work done, but again regardless of $ getting the work professionally done seems near impossible. At one stage I decided to go around builders, and was to hire a window place from the next largest town to replace all the windows (7-10k) as they said they had a short waiting time, and the work would be complete within 4 wks….well, it took 4 months before they were able to come and look at the job…our plans had yet again changed.
Current plan – to continue to empty place, and get the agents in to see what they have to say for themselves.Trakka: Thanks for your comments….this is a sad but true story..I had the super handyman of all time ready to do the windows (restore & replace with 2nd hand) and he died suddenly. A second local fellow (who is actually a builder) would have been great, but had limited availability due to existing as a full time carer. I’ve been on the list for every local builder (and some from surrounding areas) to no avail. Admittedly, the most work would be a small job to a builder – but yeah, I’ve had no luck there. One previous plan to just co-ordinate various trades myself just didn’t work. My new man and I live some distance away, so there is no chance of us living there ever again.
Malquisce: I am with you, doing anything while stressed is not the way to go….it is just that so much time has elapsed while we have waited for various things to eventuate. Our own indecisiveness has been to blame, and we know it. I have no doubt that the cost of repairs would add to the sale (or rental) price, and be a good investment, but for us it just isn’t worth the prolonged financial stress while waiting for this to be done. Again, there is not a hope of us doing the work ourselves. No real idea of its current value. Locally, other ex-govt houses now start at 125k (usually those in neat, basic, original condition.) Yet, last year a nearby house similar to mine (without cladding, & with 20yo aluminium windows, original kit & bath) went for 105k, so I really don’t know..could the slight difference of location mean a drop in 20K?…certainly the 4 cheapest houses currently listed locally are 125/130/135. I just have to get some agents in for a current idea…I still worry I originally just paid too much in my desperation way back then.
Richard: Wrapping? Ugh! I think that is something best left to someone with a far stronger constitution than I!
V8ghia: You're right, I shouldn’t let this put me off future investments…and there will be future investments – but those will be purchased for that reason alone, making things far less complicated. The man in my life reckons we will regret (in future years) not realising the possible potential of this property.
Duckster: Well, I hadn’t heard of that site….however, I am taking notice of all said here…private sale was just one idea.
Thanks everyone!
Hi Marc and AlleyKat:
Oh I know you mean really well….and I can see how what you are saying would work – if done by anyone else! Sure I am willing to put my back in by doing cleaning up work, but doing the actual improvement work – well that is a different matter….and I am the more handy member of my relationship.
After years as a tenant I am painfully aware of the cheap fixups (not suggesting that this is how you guys do things) people try to get away with. So I have a bit of a 'thing' about patched up stuff. Ugh I had this nasty old landlord Aunt who would have her husband remove 25 yo rusted fly wire from screen doors and stretch so to trim end sections that had developed holes!
Thing is, I reckon it's important to be aware of one's own limitations. Straight clean ups and paint jobs I can do – but the stuff my cute little place needs – well that's a different story.
At the moment I am leaning towards giving it a decent boost – by getting a builder to fix up the worst of what is wrong, and remove the need for ongoing fixups……hey, but all this could easily change!
Good news is that my location is in the midst of a boom. The cheapest price currently listed for local house sales is 135k – and that's a fixer-up property.
AlleyKat – this sounds terrible…but I don't have a photo of my house at all! I got my digital camera after moving out.
Marc – yeah I reckon a carport will do the job…and I can probably do some of the landscaping meself.
Thanks for the advice guys…it is good to have these ideas challenged!
Bronte x
Dear Jase & Flic:
Good on you for your success and thanks for providing the detailed look into your adventures. This is really useful stuff!
I am still working though the numeorus posts of the thread….so in case it hasn't already been answered – may I ask a rude question?
What do you calculate your renovation costs would have been had you not been so 'hands on'? Still trying to get my old head around the real impact of not being a clever DIY person.
Bronte x
AlleyKat:
It sounds like you are in a great position no matter which way you go! I envy you!
My own situation is a mess. I am plagued by regret and indecision:
A few years ago I bought what was to be my PPOR in rural Vic – a 40yo ex-railway house – for mid 80k. Although it needed work, the surveys showed it to be a solid 3br aluminum clad house. It was all I could afford, livable (to me) and cost approx 50k less than the then median local price. The purchase had nothing to do with investment. It was all about getting off the rental round about, and making a quiet country life for myself in my dotage. The plan was to do the improvements gradually – as my income and time would allow. I loved my little house.
Then that all changed. After decades of singledom I met HIM! Some time later he asked me to move (over an hour away) to his house. I also gave up work.
My little house was only ever going to be a good buy to myself in my then circumstances. Now I find myself paying the mortgage on a house that really is not suitable as a rental until work is done. Its tiny kitchen and bathroom need renovation, the wooden double hung windows need replacement (some tradies tell me they could be restored) some wooden flooring needs replacement (years of a former owner keeping large dogs locked inside the house!), some plastering needs replacement or making good. Paving, landscaping and car accommodation needs adding.
The town where my house is located is undergoing a boom. Builders have waiting lists of 3 – 6 months. Tradies are also extremely popular, meaning I have repeatedly travelled to the house for appointments that have never taken place. For me, owning a house some distance away just does not work!
I have wasted so much time and money! My little house is now an expensive storage facility. I swing between cutting my losses and selling "as is" at a loss (loss due to length of holding period) and perservering and getting some level of renovation done and making some kind of profit through resale – or renting it out in a town short of rental properties.
That is my long and boring story!
Bronte x
Do we need to show our suture scars to be admitted?
What are the costs of meetings?
Where can I buy the book and the DVDs?
Where do I log in for the podcast?
Will there be an educational bus tour for newbie members?
When will the committee be elected?
Bronte x
Terryw wrote:There is heaps of info out there.Books:
Trust Structure Guide 2007 – costs about $300, written for accountants. you may find it in a uni libraryCan be purchased directly from CCH at;
http://www.cch.com.au/fe_ps_details.asp?product_id=5019&itemcode=34155A&bhcp=1
Bronte x