Sounds like you are experiencing the same things as me. My broker said to exchange before we got the final approval although it was approved in principal. And yes, the contract was unconditional. I was told I should trust them but … I just couldn't and have not yet exchanged. My conveyancing isn't very concerned about things either and my partner and I feel as though the only people looking after us, is us. The bank is taking its sweet time (tap, tap, tap) and the real estate agent is pressuring us to exchange but seeing as we would be the only ones out of pocket if it all goes pear shaped we simply refuse to proceed until finances are guaranteed.
Great to hear you were able to reverse your decision in the nick of time. You'll be able to sleep a little better tonight.
Terry and Richard – what do you suggest Mia do now? I am sure you are right but as she has already exchanged and is anxious about that decision, what course of action do you think she take besides waiting and hoping?
We built our last home from the foundation excavations up. The one before was built and organised by a builder. Being an owner builder took a LOT of time. But… we did a much better job and had full control of everything. Didn't have to put up with some lazy project manager letting things get behind schedule or grimacing everytime we walked into the office to clarify a detail. It saved us a heap of money BUT if your time means money, a good project manager would be worth it.
Hey DavidDeanno – do you have any before and after pics you can share? We are thinking of doing a bathroom reno and the budget is about $3000 too. Not that I would want to copy but it would be inspirational to see the difference in your place.
Lizzie I think most of the stuff you could do yourself with a bit of forethought with the exception of needing a sparkie. Getting a sparkie in would be essential to prevent any dangerous situations and it would also allow you to sleep at night.
I ditto what Mick said. You have a $60K margin so it should be ok. The banks are very slow at processing loan apps at the moment so just make sure your broker doesn't let things lag. Let us know how you go.
I am buying a property (my next home) and am buying 'down' to reduce debt. R.E. has been talking about getting gazumped as we wait for what seems to be a ridiculously long time for our lender to allow us to exchange.
Well… if we get gazumped (skunks), we will just rent and wait for the property prices to fall further and sometime in the next 12 to 18 months buy a place for less than we can now. No bidding wars are going to happen with us. Because I also believe the downtrend will continue.
Thanks Mister. Good to hear that someone else feels a similar way too.
Gerald Celente also predicted a lot of things that didn't happen too. I think a very deep recession is definitely coming. I mean, really, how could house prices etc just keep going up, up, up the way they have the past 20 years? Its been a period of gross consumerism and consumeristic snobbery has been everywhere as though possession were the sole measure of a person's value.
When the going gets tough, the tough and quietly resilient get going. There are millions of people in this world who own nothing and still manage to be happy and have fulfilling relationships. I think this is a time to take stock of our situation and adjust what needs adjusting because a new era is on the way. It just a shame the popular analysis of demographics (as well as a few other areas) and their affect are only just now, being thrust into our faces. Ah… looking backward is always so much more accurate than looking forward. If only…
I think that if you can consolidate your affairs and reduce the degree of leverage as much as possible it will prevent a lot of personal stress and possible hardship. I still think real estate is a good investment when compared to the volatility of the stock market. People still need somewhere to live.
This time around there is a social security and governments have learned much from the great depression and more recent recessions in other countries so how things will pan out will be interesting to say the least. Unemployment rates were above 10% in the early 80's and early 90's. I remember moral was pretty low for a lot of people in the very early 90's but things did improve after 4 years. At that time we had a new mortgage and 2 babies and both of us lost our jobs. It was tough.
We always knew we would not be able to access the funds in the deposit as it was security. It was the fact that bank personnel in the lending centre and branches were unable to access information and no-one informed us of the process.
It all started when we went to the bank and asked what the penalty fee would be if we got out or our fixed loan. At that time, it was no penalty. Checked a month later and was told it was still nothing. We asked what it would be if the rates went below the current fixed rate – we actually laboured over this point to ensure they understood what we were asking. They emphatically insisted $0. We couldn't figure it out – how could that be? Were the banks that desperate for cash??? Checked again and still same answer. Put house up for sale and after a week checked again and was told nasty news of tens of thousands of dollars penalty fees. We were really angry because we were either lied to, or the two people who gave us the information previously were mind blowingly incompetent. Ok. So…. we keep loans but thankfully they are portable (small grace). Penalty fees we understand but not the misinformation.
Find buyers to buy house and their lender (same as ours) takes ages and was also a frustrating experience for buyers.
We settled on Monday with part of the proceeds (security amount) being paid into the bank, part by cheque (as requested) to us. We banked the cheque the following day and fully expected to see the funds for the security deposit somewhere in our account as well. Nope. Bank branch had no idea where it was. Broker didn't know either. Phoned loan hotline – they didn't know either and acted worried. Nothing on our account file to indicate it was in the works anywhere. Broker assured us it would turn up even though they didn't know where it was exactly.
Two working days later, lender hotline personnel still didn't know where it was. Still not showing in bank. Checked with conveyancer who the cheque was made out to, who it given to and when it was banked. Bank phoned us and they wanted to put OUR surplus $ into fixed term which I refused to do and they got confused.
Turns out that $ had been banked into a pool or 'holding' account of the banks. They said it only settled yesterday despite the real estate being settled 5 working days prior. (The bank cheque they were given was drawn and cashed by the same bank – not sure about branch – from my understanding.)
There were also other snarly details that cause anxiety but I won't expand on those. I complained about the interest we had lost over the week and now over the weekend since I found out the term deposit was scheduled to be set up Friday.
Why the funds kicked around for so long and why the trail of where the process was up to, was not visible to personnel in the lending centre is still a mystery. We had no idea that the bank was so compartmentalised that different sections could only 'bits' of information and even the branch staff didn't appear to know this. Better communication and transparency of process would have prevented a lot of the angst. In previously non-bank dealings money banked had simultaneously appeared in the account it was deposited to, even if it couldn't be accessed few a days till it was cleared. Broker did not had sufficient knowledge of the process either.
Like I said before, maybe our reaction was too strong but selling, moving, buying etc is already stressful enough with having to wonder where the hell a very large chunk of your money is.
Saphphire101 maybe we should wear a special badge of honour for having survived the ordeal without bursting a blood vessel or screaming out loud. LOL. Real life education…
After many fruitless calls … I did find out how things worked, where our money is, what has to happen and what is happening next from a lovely lady who went the extra mile late in the afternoon. (An absolute angel.)
At least now, we can relax a bit and enjoy the Australia Day long weekend!!!
Congratulations Reeco! Mistakes can cost a LOT of money so being mentored by people who have already made plenty of mistakes but who have learned how to do it smarter and who are weilling to teach you how is so worth it. I would do it in a heartbeat if my partner would allow it ,as I have learned first hand, how beneficial it is to know people who have experience in whatever area you are interested in.
Thanks V8ghia. I contacted the broker the next morning who then told me the conveyancer had contacted them after lunch and sent through the paper work. A phone call or follow up email on the same day to confirm this would have prevented the ensuing anxiety and sleeplessness.
From my understanding, owner's are permitted to be on/in the property any time prior to settlement. Obviously, most vendors would want to be packed, gone, etc 12 to 24 hours prior to the expected settlement time so they are not frantically rushing out at the last minute. You sound like this type of vendor but… there is no mandate that everyone must be like this.