I understand where you are coming from but there is also al lot to be gained from good open discussion and expression of opinions-Im looking forward to Barneys reply, who knows he may help me to see the error of my ways though I doubt it. And whilst maybe I should have 'tried' to be more welcoming if someone is going to barrel on in with their first post saying how much of an expert he is and how dumb everyone else is of course Im going to let my thoughts be felt-no need for him to be offended, we are all big boys and girls. He expressed himself and I expressed myself…easy

As for your profession what can I say-I admire you and take my hat off to you and wish there were more people like yourself. Seems all to common people would rather ship their kids off to a child care facility so they can afford a new plasma rather than spend some time at home during what is probably the most important stage of a childs life…congratulations.

As for the real world..well put it this way, I find it rather amusing being taught a subject by people who havent experienced it in the real world, i.e been experienced to something other than a text book. Anyone can read a subject out verse for verse from a text book to a class of students but is that 'teaching'? Hell I can and do just as easly sit at home and read myself. I also have had enough of my questions relating to real world practices being brushed of by the tutor/teacher/lecturer as being outside the scope of the material being taught simply due to the fact they have no idea on the answer as it isnt from the pre prepard questions they have generated from the text book….schools and unis these days are a disgrace, whereas in days gone past many teachers may have been people who had a genuine interest in the subject and therefore a thirst for knowledge and challenge of concepts which was then passsed onto students and discussed in depth. Now they seem tobe a group of people who know no more than what is required to be taught according to the sylabis…..

Your attitude concerns me-you do realise there is aways a downturn-nothing just keeps going up and up and up?

Wow so much attitude and 'advice' from someone who admittedly has zero experience lol You call yourself a developer…..so what have you developed? Thats o.k Im the C.E.O of my own company that I just registered online lol. Hows that saying go…those who can do…thats that cant……..teach?

Uh now we are getting somewhere-now for the next problem-the banks arnt guna give you shite with no history of savings-so did you save up the $18k for you car or did your parents buy that for you? Basically it would seem (at this point) that you probably need to consider going into a partnership with your folks on a property-you just arnt going to be able to do it on your own.

lol why dont you ask for a magic goose that lays golden eggs while your are at it lol Yeah we all want exactly what you are asking for-you think there is a simple strategie that will magically give it all to you in a simple reply from a on line forum? Maybe Im sounding a little harsh but geez what kind of an answeer do you expect? Try the search function as this kind of stuff has been covered ad nauseum. Again a better question other than how do I become rich in ten years is to ask "o.k I have x amount of disposable income per week-what would be the most effect strategy for investing this money, I am considering a appartment/unit/house etc, what thing did you people look for when purchasing your first investment property, what traps have you fallen into, how have you planned your movements forwards over the nexxt 5 years" etc

Lol kids these days

Always enjoy your posts foundation and for most parts have always agreed, however Im starting to swing the other way. I think the biggest factor to take into account is peoples attititude to debt is totally changing. No longer are they looking at home loans with a view to pay it off, they are looking at the level of debt they can service with a view to sell in the future. As long as people can manage to service the debt I can see levels will keep increasing.

The economy is very strong with no signs of slowing, and people have soooo much more disposable income these days and could easily divert some of this towards even more mortgage repayments. Also another factor to consider is Australia has always followed Americas lead by about 10 -20 years and in the States their attitude to debt is even different again-they LOVE IT, they put EVERYTHING on credit and all have to have the biggest, best and newest things and there are many many place where the majority just will never be able to afford to buy and will have to rent-the majority of housing in the capital cities is just un achievable to buy for the average person, however in Australia it is still very much achievable to even buy a nice period style home in the middle of a CBD, so IMHO I think we still have a way to go.

The other biggest problem is what people should do and what they do do are often two COMPLETELY diofferent things, so trying to argue points of view based on 'rational thinking' sometimes just doesnt apply unfortunately

  Agree

 Agree, so what should you do when a guy like what happened to me half way through the job tries to sting you another $300 and threatens to walk off the job knowing you will have buckleys of getting a replacement and also knowing because its your shower you need it done and cant wait another week for completion??That is my friend extortion!!!

Agree

Agree

Agree-but this goes both-ways, would you say turning up 2 hours late to a job, leaving a mess everywhere, not taking boots of when walking inside etc 'courtesy'?
 

Agree-but Im not paying you to earn your respect, Im paying you to do a job
 

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Agree, but unlike tradies, every single other job has to deal with the exact same pricks but they have to do so with a smile, you think you are the only poor little darlings who have to deal with problem, irate and rude customers? lol why do you all feel so badly done by?

10. some in this thread tried to help and have copped nothing but abuse for doing so. thats gratitude…….. [/quote] Who has copped abuse? No one has attacked you or anyone else, all Ive talked about are tradies at large and my opinion based on personal experience. Wriggles seems to be the type of tradie I would want and expect when Im forking out top dollar-he seems to take pride in his work and wants to perform to a high standard, and thats all people want when forking out top dollar.

No doubt, but it is mainly tradies who try to hold you to ransom, or do a sh!thouse job if they dont like you. Im an accountant-do you think I could possibly get away with charging a client more becasue they were rude or arrogant? God I get them every single day-I just smile and get on with the job becasue thats what you do, they are THE CUSTOMER, plus do you think you would be happy if I charged you more because during our consultation (that Im charging you $60 an hour for) you dont offer me a drink?? What a joke-how is it/should it be any different for a tradie?

No I dont think so, its just that people dont like feeling like they are being ripped off no matter what its for. When you are paying someone $50-$75 an hour for something you expect it to run smoothly and to a high standard, something which is very often not the case…

And i agree there are good and bad people in everybusiness, the difference tradies are charging sooooo much these days that its out of kilter. BTW what year is your bike? I had an 02 but she has gone to a better place, to many loons on the road so now I stick to the dirt

Well for a number of years I was a impoter/exporter of large metal tubing (a pilot) and then became bored, frustrated and disillusioned with the industry and became an accountant which I am currently finishing off my studies for now… Seems like all Ive done is studied and worked my arse off ever since I left high school-if I had just become a tradie it would have been 3 years of PAID 'study' and then onwards and upwards form there, so no I dont look down my nose at tradies and recomend to anyone who listens that they would be great careers, it just their attitude that sh!ts me