I agree-if you arnt on the limit you will be in a win/win situatuon. Problem is sooooo many people out there are on the brink. Seriously how can so many people afford $600+ houses these days? Its allllll debt and praying that their equity will continue to rise, inflation will stay low and their head will stay above water…

Well I haventbeen on this planet all that long either but I have spent a lot of time talking to those that have and believe me we are in for a shakey ride IMHO!! Dad was laughing the other day reminising how we are reading in the paprers now of a 'property shortage' and how it was the exact same thing he was reading back in the eighties. People can only support so much debt-and when the point is reached that they are no longer happy to bare it then they will sell….

Property shortgage…yeah right-there is hardley any land left to developin Australia huh…

lol yeap things are only gunna get better from here…….inflation and increasing interest rates and the threat of a worldwide recession and garaunteed to boost up the prices…..

lol just do like 70% of the arm chair experts out there-just ignore it and it will go away, after all property is a sure fire way to get rich and is guaranteed to double every 10 years you do realise dont you?

You sure do have a complex-dirty brown river??? WTF just goes to show you havent even been there-I'll take some happy snaps for you and email or post them here if anyone knows how? ANd for the record I think Edgewater is  nicer than Willy-that is of course unles you have as oft spot for the refinery and comission houses. Otherwise E/W is much better on the eye-has beautiful views of the city, beauty river, parks and running tracks…but of course you wouldnt know any of this because you probably didnt even get out of the car? Anyway Im happy becasue the way to make money is to go against the sheep…baaaaaa baaaa baaaa

I find it totally amusing that peopel can be so niave to think the business cycle will just keep going up and up-yet its these same people who also cry the loudest when things do take a turn for the worst and they are caught high and dry.

AT a BBQ yesty with a young couple (early 20's) who are lookign at spending over $500k on their first house-I tried to tell them that this amount was to high and we could be on the verge of a recession-but being the age they are and having only seen good times they had no problem in belittling me and basically telling me I was full of poop. Shoud l I feel sorry for these people when in 5 years time they cant afford repayments and have to sell at a loss?-no way Of course they wre telling me in 5 years their property will be worth $750-$800k so I guess I really am just stoooopid…lol

Research ya say? Anyone with a little intelligence and who has actually done some research would know that areas with nice house and therefore nive contents get robbed-I even went to the trouble of doing some 'research for you!! Gee shock horror the eastern suburbs show MORE break ins than the west in many cases….shock horror!!!

 * Based on 2003/04 Victoria Police Crime Statistics and 2001 ABS Census data for number of occupied households. Suburbs with less than 500 occupied households have been excluded

OMG Toorak has got a higher break and enter rate than Maribyrnong-quick run for the hills!!!!! lol now where was I …..oh thats right go stick your head back in the sand sunshine

Lol you mention research-you obviously have done none!!! Have you ever even been there? As we all know as soon as you step a centimetre over the western border all of a sudden noise and pollution are amplified lol

Seriously what 'research' have you got showing aircraft noise at Edgewater? I am actually an ex commercial pilot and Edegwater isnt even under a approach path for Tulla, thus an overhead aircraft are just as close to there as they are to say…Toorak, plus at that distance they are normally around 5,000 feet-hardley a noise problem…ahh you do actually realise where Edgewater is do you? Soo funny…..

You are a clown Jon-for a topic that is soooo boring to you it seems you have read every post? lol if it is so boring and such a stupid thread how about you stop reading it then Einstien?

So we obviously need to learn economics huh, this is funny-so what gems of information can you impart on us poor uneducated fools Jon? I suppose you would quote supply and demand? Gee how years of economics did you do to gett hat one covered off? Just because someone charges to much doesnt mean we should be happy about it-how on earth you think what realestate agents charge is fair and resaonable is beyond me. The only reason people pay it is becasue they have very little choice, the sooner someone starts up an agency that charges realistic fees the better-and they will be overcome with business!!!

As for the arguments in this tthread I think its quite simple-people are complaing that when paying professional services fees they are not recieving professional services in return. Hell I would have been happy with paying my painter $3k for the week if it wasnt for the fact he had to come back half a dozen times to fix things that should have never needed me to ask for fixing in the first place…but what would I know-I need to learn economics first before I complain huh….bwahahahahahaah

There certainly does seem to be a re occuring theme of the tradies being very 'sensitive' and overly defenssive. On one side there is an argument about sub standard work being provided and people being ripped off, and yet the tradies who all reply seem to ignore this totally and reply in defense of their self worth and right to make a living and that they are not second class citizens etc-seems to be some deep seated issues there fellas……therapy anyone??