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    Thanks Terry.

    I was advised by the financer that having a corporate trustee will get caught under commercial lending.

    Are there large banks who will lend to a corporate trustee at individual mortgage rates?

    If not then I will have to rethink my strategy about how to set this up!

    Thanks for all your help.

    Scab

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    Thanks Terry, I will speak to a lawyer regarding this.

    I'm located in South Australia.

    I've never changed title deeds before, will this cause a headache if I decide to go through with this?

    It is the only way I can think of to hold the property in a trust with a corporate trustee as the other avenues I have covered are:

           Me borrowing the money and lending it to the trust (the bank won't allow that because the mortgage is over the property which has to be in my name)

           Hybrid trusts (told to stay away)

    It's rather pointless having me as a trustee and holding it in there isn't it? I may as well hold it in my own name as joint tenants?

    Thanks

    Scab

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    Check your inbox.

    Cheers

    Binscab

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    Hi Benm84

    Yes you can lend money back from a company to the trust but like I said earlier there will be consequences in doing so.

    Your best bet is going to your accountant with this situation and specifically ask him what are the Div7a and Subdivision EA consequences of lending distributions from the trust to the company back to the trust.

    You will receive a positive tax benefit by distributing to the company only if your current income levels including the distribution to the company exceeds the 30% threshold.
    If it is under or the same then personally I can't see the benefit of distributing to the company. Some of the others may be able to point out advantages.

    In terms of the PPOR being held in a trust I hav eonly read in other threads that as long as you're not trying to claim the FHOG you can claim a property as a PPOR regardless where it's being held – don't quote me on this one though, as I have never dealth with this certain situation before.

    Hope that helps

    Best of luck

    Scab

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    I thoguth a Q/S only does the furniture and fittings + other Plant and equipment?

    I have asked if they can allocate some value to the furniture and fittings of the apartment per Steve McKnights book.

    Thanks for all your help guys!

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    Hi Banker

    Yes this was the case previously.

    However in the eyes of the ATO, a Trust which has distributed money to a Company but the money maintains in the Trust is seen as a Unpaid Beneficiary Entitlement. Previously, this would have only caused an issue if a beneficiary other than the company (say an individual) owed money to the Trust – this would result in a Div7a Loan.

    They are cracking down hard on this, and now loans of the sort between Trusts and Companies are going to cause the same issue, albeit not under Div7a. Note this hasn't been implemented yet.

    If I recall correctly though, you might be able to get away with it, if you specifically make a bank account in the trust and keep those funds which the company has 'lent back to you' completely seperate. You must ensure the funds are not mingled with other moneys.

    Either way it's becoming harder and harder to pull money out tax free, unfortunately this is having consequences to people who are genuinly reinvesting the money.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Trustees are assessed at the top rate on undistributed income, i beleive.

    If might be better to distribute it to a company which then lends it back to the trust.

    Fantastic ideas from Terry as always.

    However with the new laws coming in if you lend money from a Company to a Trust  that is seen as a Div7a loan which means you have to have a loan agreement in place and you would have tto pay repayments with interest to the company.

    If you do not, it will be seen as a deemed dividend, what this means is that the company will be 'forced' to pay out the loan amount back to the trust as a dividend which is unfranked (this means you won't get a credit for the tax paid in the company).

    Hope that helps.

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    "I also want the loan to be in the name of the entity, this way I can borrow more in the future in the another entity (according to Steve's book)"

    Ignore that bit! I just did a search and seems like the consensus is that it's a myth.

    If that's the case, should I just borrow the money in our personal names and have the property in the entity?

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    binscab wrote:
    I also want the loan to be in the name of the entity, this way I can borrow more in the future in the another entity (according to Steve's book)

    Ignore that bit, I just did a search and seems like it's a myth.

    If this is the case, then would it just be much simpler to write the loan in our personal names but purchase the property in the entity?

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    Stera wrote:

    The slight hurdle at this stage will be financing the project over the 12-15 months of construction and the related taxes.

    I am completely green (  Learners hat again)! and would appreicaite any feedback or suggestions.

    My understanding of the biggest hit is CGT, but my understanding is that if you hold the property for 12 months from contract to contract, CGT reduces from 50% to 25%. My question is what are the "contracts"? Is it when you purchase land, sign to build, or get hand over?

    Hi I can't help you from the investment numbers side since I am quite green too but from the tax/accounting side.

    Settlement for the purchase of land is day 1 since the land is the asset and building on it you are not creating a new asset but rather adding to an existing one.

    Holding the asset for 12 months or more gives you a 50% CGT discount, that is the max discount you will get, holding it for any longer will not increase this.

    Hope that helps.

    Scab

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    If you are renting out the property you can claim expenses associated with renting it out such as

    1. interest paid
    2. Water rates
    3. Council rates
    4. On top of this you can claim 'depreciation' on assets in your rental property (pretty much everything which has a useful purpose on its own can be depreciated) such as the fridge, hot water system etc

    I've never gotten a Quatitive Surveyor but I'm assuming he comes in and makes a checklist of everything that is able to be depreciated.

    Hope that helps

    Scab

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    siraitken wrote:
    AndrewH wrote:
    meh…

    Meh… What?

    Meh you can't be bothered reasearching?
    Meh it is too hard?

    If this is the case then you don't deserve 10% returns let alone a cash flow positive property.

    Dave

    Another poster 'shoutfromtherooftops' or something along those lines was posting some abuse and I think 'meh' was his reply, after that the post got deleted, pretty sure it wasn't aimed at the people giving advice.

    Cheers

    Scab

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    Hey Matt

    Thanks for the heads up!

    Am looking forward to learning as much as I can from these forums!

    Cheers

    Binscab

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    Am I missing something?

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    Oops sorry – I got a bit confused.

    It depends on who has the option (i.e. if it's a call or a put)

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    Don't forget though if you enter a contract with a option to buy in 8 years for well below market – fair enough the parents will not need to pay any CGT due to the arms length transaction vs market value rull.

    But you've technically made a gain on excercising your option, the gain being the difference between the price you pay and the market value of the asset. You will be subject to tax on that difference.

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    Thanks DD

    I will analyse my options, the main factor of why I need to go in with a partner is pretty much because the banks won't give me much more money.

    I guess what I ultimately want is a positive cashflow property.

    Would you be able to elaborate on

    "510income /475 cost means its about 5.2% return. This in itself would deter me from doing it as you are about $160/wk in your pocket to start with"

    I didn't quite understand that. When you look for a property what kind of return do you look at normally?

    I was under the impressino that $510.00 income a week was pretty good for a $475,000.00 property?

    Thankyou so much once again

    Binscab

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    I did not know once you retire you can sell assets CGT free – from the sounds of it, you've done the research and have determined that retirees can do this.

    If this is the case if your friend keeps those payments up but put it as 'rent' on paper and buys the property for $275,000.00 in 8 years time, it would be CGT free.

     However, if this is not the case and retirees cannot sell assets CGT free then your friend purchasing the property at well below market in 8 years time will count as a 'non arms length' transaction in which case the market value of the property will be used as the capital proceeds from sale when calculating your friends step parents capital gain.

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    Extra things I forgot to mention:

    I don't have a offset account (I have no idea why!)
    Currently paying interest only
    I have $0 savings, all profits go to offsetting the mortgage hence buying the new place would mean I am using equity on my home.
    I am currently renting my place out under the 6 year main res exemption rule so I can claim the interest and utilities deductibility.

    Once again thanks so much everyone any help is much appreciated.

    Binscab

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