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I would love to know the answer to this too
Awesome.
Thanks.
elisey wrote:HI AJ,300,000k is a huge cash. I don't think many people start with they property investing journey with this huge cash which i think you are in the very good position to start to learn.
if i was you, I won't get into debt too quickly. even is a house loan.
buy the house upright with your cash.
1) you don't have debt, all the net rental income after paying rates and fees is yours, ( positive cashflow for sure !!)
2) you get a bit of taste of what "property investing" is like, you will be potentially facing tenant issue, difficult agent issue, maintenance issue, possible rent behind issue …… all sort of problems which property investor have to deal with
3)you buy upright you, means you get into the market. so in the future you have higher income and you guys married also after experienc some the tenant issue, agent issue, maintenance………. then you can start to using the first IP to leverage to 2 or 3 IP.
so at that time you start to face finance issue, such us interest rate, fixed vs variable, line of credit………in this way, you don't go straight to face all the property invesitng "problem" in one go, instead you break it down one bit at the time. often you see people screw up big time because they have to deal with finance, tenants, agents, trade people, builder, council, architect, townplanner, interest rate, accountant, solicitor…….but they couldn't even handle just one thing properly ……..
Hence, my sugguestion is get a property upright to get into the market. ( you will learnt area research, data gathering, dealing with agents, accountant, solicitor……..) leave the finance and other thing for later.
of course, you can look for other professional to help, but whether you can find them and also comfort to use them is another story !
I may sound very stupid, but play small start with is the safer way to make huge money in long run, especially you have never purchase any property before.
Good luck for your property investing journey : )
Thanks for that. I didnt really think to buy a place outright. But it may seem like the best idea in my current situation for the time being.
This money we are playing with is for investment only. We have a house overseas we can sell to buy our own home here to live in when the time comes.
Its a REAL LONG story why my girlfriend has a house overseas. But yeah so its not a issue. This money wont be used for personal expense. Investment only.
**EDIT**
Also to add, to reply to you Derek, Well I was thinking about looking around the western sydney region and actually spending 250-300K with a larger deposit if need be.
Obviously still doing ALOT of reading and research and you guys are helping alot. Much appreciated.
Derek wrote:Hi AJ,You guys have come a long way since your earlier post about 'investment companies' and you have given your whole situation plnety of thought at a macro level.
While your asset level is terrific your combined incomes aren't that flash at this stage.
Limited income will mean limited borrowing capacity so if you really want to get into property you may find the size of your deposit to be signifciant. This is not ideal as I would prefer to see someone retain as much of their cash as possible. Having said that all possiblilities need to be considered on their merits.
How long before you finish your apprenticeship? If the time frame is relatively short 'waiting' may be an option.
Determining your borrowing capacity would be a great step – no ppoint making rolls royce plans on a beer budget. At the same time there are advantages to spending a reasonable portion of your borrowing capacity under normal circumstances. Certainly when we work with clients we suggest they determine their borrowing potential when they are committed to some form of property investing as this help makes for more meaningful discussions;
Getting property with the right mix (for you) of growth and cashflow is possible. Might mean a little extra looking and research.
Hope this helps.
Itll be another 2 years before I finish my apprenticeship and am on a good wage.
Therefore what if I did buy an investment property now, say for example around the 200K mark and used a 50% deposit? Then once my income increases I can pull the cashequity back out when I can borrow more??
I can actually answer all those questions Derek.
Grand plan stuff.
1. How long is your current residential arrangement going to be suitable? We can stay where we are living right now for as long as we want.
2. At some stage will you be wanting to buy your own home? Yes we do but my girlfriend has a house overseas(long story) she is going to sell when we want to buy our own home here to live in. So the money we have now we can use purely for investing.
3. Are there significant life changes on the horizon? Change of job? Marriage? Kids? We are both working on our studiesapprenticship at the moment. So at this stage our jobs we be quite secure with what we are doing and yes we do plan on having kids and getting married in the future.
4. Are you looking to move into the property at some stage in the future? No – that money is all for investing.
5. Are you chasing cashflow or growth focussed investment properties? Can I say both?
6. What are your long term property plans? Long term property plans would be to build a large property portfolio and hopefully one day live off them and not have to work anymore. The sooner the better! More time I can spend on investing.
7. Are your comfortable investing outside your own home town? Yes, defiantly – anywhere in Australia is fine by me.
Important Financial and Tax Stuff
1. Are incomes similar? At this stage no as my girlfriend is at uni full time. When we both finish studying and my apprenticeship our incomes will be much the same.2. Is this likely to change? Not once we are both in our set career.
3. Is there a need to protect your assets? Not sure about this one?
4. Is tax saving part of your goal? At this stage no as our incomes are quite minimal and dont get taxed much. Not really much of a concern anyway. Im probably focused more on positive cashflow and capital growth than negative gearing.
Ill provide a bit more info…
My girlfriend and I have been together for almost 2 years and have lived together most of that time. We have spoke of marriage and we do plan on getting married in the not so distant future.
Anyhow the majority of that money is my girlfriends inheritance. But I have contributed enough to it to afford my own investment property anyhow.
I spoke to her after reading some of these posts and I think us buying an investment property each in our own name would be easier?
The other negative in this scenario is my girlfriend studies full time at uni and doesnt earn much income, whereas I am only a 3rd year electrical apprentice. My income is $520 net per week. Not much either. Though at this stage we have no liabilities, except for a car?
As to what I want to achieve from property investing… well to grow a solid property portfolio, and someday be able to leave my job and live off my propertys as I continue to expand? – I guess thats a pretty common response to that question..
Thansk guys.
Ill shoot you off an email later in the day Richard.
Would chatting to a company like Margaret Lomas's one Destiny be a good idea ??
Derek wrote:Hi AJ,You will still need to work out what you are trying to achieve so you can properly brief your buyers agent otherwise you may end up with a property that doesn't necessarily meet your investment needs.
Well theres another problem, I dont have an investment strategy or any idea at all what I want to achieve.
I thought the basics were to buy your first IP, and then continue to buy IP using the equity from your current IP's??
Im not the most intelligent person so all this kind of stuff does go over my head a little.
Who would be the person I'd need to speak to in order to work out a good investment plan for myself and my partner? A Financial planner or something?
Thanks for all the input guys.
Its all quite overwhelming when your starting out in this game.
Im going to have a chat to some buyers agent aswell now.
Cheers
AJ