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If you are having a problem with the concept of investing for cash flow and developing an unlimited borrowing power then maybe you should have a rethink and read the new Book from Robert Kiyosaki 'Conspiracy of The Rich: The 8 New Rules of Money'
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As an Expat I assume you mean you are Australian living overseas?
Citibank will help you out and there are others
I try to discourage people away from using the majors for what they have done to Australia's financial markets they are just greedy.Your plan for the land would most differently work with a verified 80% Loan, all you need to is show your last two years tax returns to prove serviceability no matter where you earn the money.
But of course there is a different way and that is to Buy low sell high and reinvest the profit.
It all depend on the purpose for the purchase of the land and how you or going to claim the service of the loan.
If you are buying it to build and fully verify your income then most of the lenders are happy to lend you out 90% but over 80% will incur LMI and they place their own restrictions and the cost can change the deal.
Please don't just go to the big banks, look at other lender like the building societies
Credit unions and second tire lenders you will find them very competitive and will to deal.As long as the LVR is <60% most lenders will look at this once you go over 60% you will incur LMI and LMI will place a lot more restriction on your abilities to borrow.
Rather than go to the main banks try some of the smaller lenders like building societies or other second tire lenders you will find then much more accommodating with this type of loan.your ABN needs to be registered for 2 years if the loan is >60% and one day for some loans <60%
I will Stand corrected, but isn't the ABN a regsistration for GST? you just dont have to declare the GST if you business turnover is less than $75K?
All land loans are either 60% LVR or there are a few lenders offering out to 80%
You have to remember when Steve was doing this strategy the world was a very different place money was a lot easier to organize, loans were a lot smaller and where they were buying properties were cheap and easy to rent. so if you have assets that pay for themselves your actual borrowing power is unlimited.
ALso in those days there was the being of the Nodco loans. LVR <60% no risk to the bank, no disclosure of income or disclosure of Assets & Liabilties. this stuff is not rocket science it is just working smart and putting your money and property equity to work for your.
Rish Dad Poor Dad philosiphy If you are going in to debt make sure it is good debt and some else is paying for it and you are making money from it.
These guys were accountants and you will find that the books balanced at the end of the day. though they may have some good stories to tell.Today the <60% nodoc loan is still there. And possitive gear property is back on the market acording to Steve. This strategy carries no risk to the bank and all the banks care about is the monthly payment if that is made every months there will be no questions. especially if they have a portfolio of properties with an LVR of <60%. the only restriction here are the amount of properties per area.
of coarse this is only my opinions and is not to be taking as advice LOLsingle person
Bank calculated living expenses $13.344pa
No debt
no dependents
Income $80,000pa Gross
Bench mark 8%
max borrowing = $503,385this was just a scenario never to be used as advice
And Noted That "all parties must be in agreement". Or should It be said that the terms and conditions need to be set out in a fully signed and witnessed legal document set out by legal representation. starting that the age patent are of sound body and mind and want to help out their child.
Fine in that case I will leave it in your very capable hands and hope you can help him out
Cheers
Hi Jo
The only way you have any hope of doing this deal is going directly to the NAB rural section, if you really have your heart set on doing what you say here, then they are possibly your only hope that will look at you.
They will want to use the equity in the IP toake over the loan and cross the two properties to keep the land loan down under the 60% LVR or lower.
with a 100 acres tell the bank you are going to use it as a hobby farm and dont mention anything to with owner builder,and you will have a chance at getting it throughI know this because I have some friends who have just completed doing just this and this the way they told me they had to do it,
Hope this helps
Cheers
Hi Hany & Bootlace
Yes you are both correct in your suggestions but the facts remain that John has 240K debt and asking for something that does not exist any more and that is 100% loans. In today financial climate to do what he wants he first needs to restructure his financial situation clear all bad debt and set up a savings plan. The bubble has burst Gone are the day of pie in the sky greedy borrowing. the banks tighten their credit policies and it may be heading back to the days of 80% loans.not know the full situation In this case John is up to his eyeballs in debt with only one decreasing share portfolio and looking to jump into a very expensive product. My suggestion is for him to re-evaluate his situation.
Multiplying by 5 is a good rule of thumb to quickly calculator conservative serviceability when asked and if the person want more details you can then invite them to sit and work on the calculator.
Hany I like free property report are you offering this service to other members of this forum even if they are other brokers?
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Elka
I agree with Richard about offset accounts and the loan structure of a basic mortgage for Alex.
I never recommend off set accounts to anyone you are far better off putting any extra money straight against the principle in a free redraw facility making sure you have direct access to that money at no cost.I never deputed Richard's credibility as a MB I have been reading alot of what he has been doing in here and you guys are very lucky he has decided to devote his time and we should all thank him very much and say nice things about him to keep him coming back his knowledge is invaluable to us all,
On this matter the only thing I would change on what Richard has said about is the Type of product.Unless you are intending to move large and contentious amounts of money in and out of your account there is no need to use a LoC If Alex in the future wishes to buy IP then a new basic loan would suit the purpose and be far more cost effishent.
Hi Richard.
as far as tax is concerned here we are now talking not two different loans. but we are talking about two completely different scenarios for Alex.1. Alex goes into Bad debt and buys more expensive property!
Dad lends Alex $360K and Alex Borrows $70-130K purposed to purchase owner occupied property $440-$500
He gets $14k from FHOG and has $40K to pay for all moving in costs. What's left over goes into the redraw of the loan.
In this scenario there is no mentioned about tax as there is no rebates on owner occupied. Alex pays around $167 per week for the next 30years.2. Alex Has no debt but has to do with not such an expensive house that may need some improvements and has a chance at setting up a good debt investment portfolio!
Dad lends Alex $360K and Alex applies for FHOG $14K purchases property $370K cash. Uses $40K for moving costs.
Once Alex has moved into the property and want to look at investing Alex then uses the property as security and set up a loan for the deposit..The loan no matter what the product can be used tax effectively as it's purpose is for future investment, ask your accountant how to structure it to make sure.
In this scenario Alex has a choice either stay debt free or go into good debt where someone else will help pay for it.Which scenario would you recommend?
I am sorry if you misunderstood my posting I hope this has cleared this matter.
Cheers
Anything over 80% will incur LMI, when they are involved they want to see where the deposit money is coming from and want to see records of genuine savings. you can pay up to $10,000 for high end LVR loans over 95%. the old Rams were good for this as they were able to over come the LMI problem by providing in in house Mortgage insurer but now they have lost that facility they have to conform with genworth and PMI conditions that means no more 100% loans and this is the same with Guaranttee loans the terms and conditions placed on these loans by LMI make it near impostable to get through.
OK what are your options?
looking at property value between $370K – $380K
Income – $80K before tax.
No deposit
Good work historyAssuming
PAYG
clear credit.
single no dependents
borrow capicity at todays rate $500k
Retired patents with unencumbered property.Scenario
Patents take out a lo doc investment loan LVR <60% purpose of the loan is for future investment
Borrowing amount to fund 20% deposit. at such a low risk, LMI is not involved and bank will ask no questions as long as they get an account with a direct debit set up for the monthly payments. this can be in anyone name as long as the payment is made the bank won't care. There are still lender offering these type of loans. It is far easier than setting up a reverse mortgage.Now you have your deposit you can purchase your property and set up an 80% loan basic mortgageand pay no LIM.
If all parties are in agreement you will have your home and quite easily be able to pay for both loan no questions asked, simple process when you take out LMI.
think outside the box
Cheers
the Comparitive Actual Rate is a column on the comparison rate sheet that shows what the actual rate is when all costs are added in to the loan.
Sorry for assuming alexz1011 is a young person. When mentioned "just started work and Dad will help me"
and In my defense: yes you are right any bank will jump at this LVR only thing that may be a hiccup is the work history. But I have found that the banks do put different conditions on younger applicants.[If your Dad is willing to put up the money and for your to get the FHOG he will need to certify a letter signed by a solicitor or a statuary Declaration signed by a JP, to say that he has gifted the money to you and requires no repayments in return.]
Sorry this should read: [If your Dad is willing to put up the money and for your to get the FHOG then fine.]
[Alex will need to certify a letter signed by a solicitor or a statuary Declaration signed by a JP, to say that he has gifted the money to you and requires no repayments in return.] thank for pointing out the typo i will be more careful in future.
Yes you don't need the letter to apply for the FHOG but it is a save guard to prove where the money came from.
But if you are looking for finance you will most certainly need this letter just in case they ask where the money comes from.Alex I do not know what the circumstances are to why you are wanting these particular properties at this particular price range, and I will strongly recommend you not go into debt if you can help it, where you have to pay for it. If there is nothing set in concrete may I suggest rethink your strategies and options for a purchase price of $360K + $14K++ = $380K++ plus, your $40K can be used furnish the house and move you in. then look at taking out a loan when you own the property and use that as a deposit on a IP as Richard suggested. But I would use a basic mortgage rather than an LoC.
Now we have found out that Dad is going to fund only up to $360K and and your heart is set on this price range then you will need finance. Find finance for the full amount required $70-$130 and use the $40 to move in. Then anything left over put it back in to your mortgage.
Product recommendation, would be a basic mortgage with one of the 2nd tire lenders that has no fees, free redraw and allows you to makes extra payments at no cost. Even though these are P&I products they can almost be use like a LoC but at a much lower rate.
Ask the mortgage Broker you are going to use if they know of these products and if they stear you away, go some where else that will do the right thing by you.Cheers
OK here is a reply from a mortgage broker, would love your business But in all truth here is a suggestion.
With your age and length of employment, no bank is going to look at you for any size loan in this climate, you will need to wait for things to change or you have more than two year continued employment.
If your Dad is willing to put up the money and for your to get the FHOG he will need to certify a letter signed by a solicitor or a statuary Declaration signed by a JP, to say that he has gifted the money to you and requires no repayments in return.
Then go and buy the property for cash, even if it means looking in the lower price range do so you don't want to be in debt if you can help it.
For you to get the FHOG you will have to do this yourself it is easy enough and as long as you have contract exchange before the 30th june you can claim the extra. All you will need to do is type in FHOG au in Google and it will take you to the website and follow the links to NSW forms, downloan and print off. if you need any help with this just email me and I will send them over.
As far as tax is concerned your Dad will need to talk to his accountant about the gifted money and what it means for him. but there is nothing stopping you form buying with cash, IT IS GOOD.
Once you have bought your new property and have moved in, you now have a wonderful unencumbered property you can now use, with your Dad's help as security for your new investment portfolio.
This I can most differently help you with LOLCheers
What will kill this deal and what has kill most of these 100% lend deals is not so much the banks as the Mortgage insurer. Both the mortgage insurers Genworth an PMI require evidence of 3% deposit and 3 months of saving history. Any thing to do with LMI above 90% is becoming a costly nightmare.
Saltiimbanco you have a $110K income and if this is a single income no depends you have a borrowing capacity out to $550K now include your debt of $240K that reduces you down to $310K I don't know who told you you can borrow out to $600K I strongly recommend you rethink your investment strategy.
Here's an Idea. Spend less than you earn and use that extra money to clear debt. Once you have cleared debt set up a savings plan to generate a deposit, aim for at least 20% +costs. This may take you some time but it will give you a good solid foundation to work from.
Why is any one still using the major banks and believing all their BS don't you realize they have a policy of dirty tricks that you have to pay for that discount with annual fees, hind cost, force to take out credit cards, other accounts and services that you will never need or use.
When you are looking to purchase property you are looking for 1 of 2 reasons either to purchase owner occupied in which it is bad debit and you want to clear it as quickly as possible, or you are purchasing investment property to either save money (negative gear) or make money (Positive gear).
There are Far better product on the market now than anything that the major are offering the product are called basic mortgages
and the second tire lender and nonbanks lender offering these to combat the majors. All you have to do is a little research or find a broker that will do the research for you. If you go to a broker that offer you just the major not only are they doing you a disservice the are doing themselves a disservice. dot use them.If you are looking for a $350,000 loan them may I suggest one of these loans with a basic variable rate either lower or equal the discounted rate with no fees and no hind costs.