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    Hi Dave,
    I can’t help with the Super thing at all – just a passing thought re the opportunity though:-

    As I read it, you have already gained $125k from the Sale, and were allowing a further $125k to be set aside to pay CGT. Given that it is likely that the CGT owing could be far less than allowed, would a cash amount nearer $180k (rather than $125k – and yes, I’m guessing…) be able to be parlayed into some other opportunity that will nett you a great return? Of course, you might simply want to pay down debt, rather than invest. And that is valid too.

    Maybe have a bit more of a think, and perhaps a long chat with an adviser, around ALL of your options before settling on the Super one. Then take the best option for you. ;)

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    A lot like the Internet itself, there will be some interest right upfront of course. Then, over time, as the concept becomes “less new” and there are more examples of “it really works”, you will see more take up the new ways. It took the Internet at least 10 years to gain acceptance by the masses.

    It will be many years yet before it becomes “the only game in town” though. There are too many dinosaurs, and most of us like the human interaction. I would think any obvious “Better ways” will be taken up quickly e.g. anything that piggy-backs off what we already do with the Internet and is easy to implement.

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    Hi Dave,
    I’m with Corey on this – I think you need assistance with calculating your tax bill. From the little I can see, it seems to me that you think your Capital Gain is the Tax to be paid. That is not the case, and you don’t appear to have allowed Buy and Sell costs either which would have impacted on your Gain.

    As such, I think you will have a nice surprise if you sit down with an adviser who handles this stuff on a regular basis.

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    Hi Russell,

    Does either neighbour have a block large enough that you might buy 200mm of land from it? There might be cost involved e.g. fencing, but if it allows a second build, and one neighbour can help for a decent price, it might be worth it(??)

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    Hi Debbie,
    In case you weren’t aware, propertyinvesting.com itself works with a finance group to get really good deals. I don’t know what they are right now, as the recent APRA changes may have changed things. Suffice to say that Steve mentions he can source a great rate based on the size of the membership of pi.com.

    Go here to check it out:-
    http://www.PropertyInvestingFinance.com

    A few months ago they were showing rates in the 3’s. Give them a call to see what can be done today,

    Regards,
    Benny

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    Hi Asou,
    I just checked, and I found that you and I had chatted previously – soon after you joined us – here:-

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/5006256-doing-a-12-investment-property-on-my-first-home/#post-5006261

    In that post is the link I was going to provide you, thinking you were new here. You might have read it back then, but may I suggest you trawl through it once more, for several reasons. First, with a couple more years of thinking about (and even doing?) property investing, a re-read may make far more sense to you now than it did back then. Second, the topic I linked you to has grown since you first received it, so that there are later posts that go on to discuss a whole heap more subjects, some of which might be new to you.

    So do take a look – I hope some of it provides you with some more clues,

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    Hi Asou,
    Welcome to propertyinvesting.com – and good work for seeking to understand a bit more by ASKING. One major thing that we need to develop is the ability to separate opinion from fact. And, right off the bat, I can put the lie to these guys:-

    However, after seeking advise from my friends and colleagues. They suggested I should not invest in Brisbane since I am not familiar with the areas. And properties don’t really go up in value there.

    ….. and on both counts. By that, I mean that I can show you PROOF of Brisbane’s values going up in value. They have an opinion that Bne’s values don’t go up. Maybe they mean “don’t go up as much” and they could be quite right with that – but wait….

    By buying where houses are cheaper you can afford MORE of them. And rent returns are typically higher, thus, while you might stretch to buy one $600k house in Sydney (and lose money as the yield is lower, so rents don’t cover all costs), you might be able to buy THREE in Brisbane at $300k each.

    Re “you don’t know the area”, that can be learned quite quickly – internet, phoning agents, and maybe a quick trip or two to suss things out. There is a “big picture” topic around (I’ll send it to you) and in there, one bloke goes out and buys all around the country – cheap, needing renos, and positive geared. Then he gives them a quick reno and lifts the rents. Perhaps you can look at what he does and ask yourself IF you might be able to make that work. Maybe you can meet up with the bloke and buy him dinner to chat. I dunno – but, there are ways !!

    And to get a look at the growth in values over time, go searching for “australian median house price history” and check out a couple of the earliest searches (by that, I mean Google – not a Search of this site). One of them will show you how Sydney nearly always leads the charge, with Melbourne next. Brisbane comes well after the first two have surged. And a current point of interest from the median price table I found:-
    In 1992, values in Bne were about 90% of Mel’s values. Values then tanked for a while until 1997 when Syd and Mel took off – Bne lagged. By 2001, Bne values were just 55% of Mel’s values.

    Then, in 2002, Bne started catching up in a helluva rush – so much so, by 2004, Bne was back to 86% of Mel values. But here’s the point – today, Bne is back to about 55% of Mel’s values. And Mel remains growing in value. At some stage, Bne will get another kick along, and, like from 2001-2004, it will likely near double in values in a very quick timeframe. (Now Asou, that is another OPINION – mine – so take it as a point to ponder, then draw your own conclusions).

    The facts remain though – Bne has typically higher yields with lower prices, so you can afford to hold more properties. If Bne goes up in values by 10% in a year, and you hold $900k in property, you just made $90k. If a $600k Sydney property goes up 12%, you just made $72k in equity. Bne is $18k ahead in that scenario. As well as that, if you have one tenant vacate, you still have 66% of your income coming in. If a tenant left your single Sydney property, you have lost all income till you get another tenant.

    As you can see, there as MANY twists and turns, opinions and facts, cities and towns, cockroaches and cane toads (sorry, couldn’t resist!!) From weighing up all of those things, you will settle on a way that should work best FOR YOU. You may have skills that I don’t have, so you can choose to do things that I can’t – e.g. you might be a tiler and can renovate kitchens and bathrooms cheaply – that can give you an “edge” when considering which houses to buy. Kapich?

    Stick around, Asou – learn a bunch, meet up with other investors, chat with them, learn from them, save up, then strike when the time is right for you to do so. Again, welcome !

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    Hi Retals,
    Terryw, a contributor with a wealth of knowledge, has laid out a scenario that exactly fits your situation (i.e. you have paid off your PPOR, but now want to move out of it and rent it). Go here to find an introduction to his topic :-

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/4410491-the-big-picture-for-new-readers-especially/page/3/#post-5037656

    Once you have clicked on that link, read the post, then click on its link to go to Terry’s topic – his ideas are worth gold !! Let us know how you found his advice – did it suit your circumstance?

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    Hi David,
    Well, you never know – someone reading this might be willing to pay to know where this cashflow gem is, and you may be able to gain a spotter’s fee !! :)

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    Hi David,
    Just looking at the numbers, to me this looks like the ideal “buy and hold”. As such, there would be little to gain in strata titling. I haven’t done it myself, but had previously read it can take ~$20k to strata one unit.

    Is that number correct? I don’t know – but, if it is, the values on your units don’t seem to justify such a large spend.

    With the returns sounding like 13%, is there any other downside to just keeping them? Even if half full, it sounds like you would still be cash positive !! Other downsides though could cruel the positives – e.g. if this is a regional area with just one eemployer (and they are looking to close down…) What is the vacancy rate currently?

    Returns sound great – but is there another “elephant in the room” that looks particularly dark? :)

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    Hi Stevan,

    Before purchasing secondhand, please read this (including the attached link).
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/5040648-for-your-protection-read-this/

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    Hi Lisa,
    Thank you for the information relating to Cherie’s course. It is as well that purchasers are made aware of the limitations of purchasing such goods secondhand.

    I have referred to your post in a new topic that will reside in the Buy Swap and Sell forum – here:-

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/topic/5040648-for-your-protection-read-this/

    I appreciate your taking the time to alert possible buyers in that way.

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    I think the natural “order of things” should preclude rates reaching those levels. Here’s why:-

    1. Back in the 80’s when we were paying 17% Interest, the average value of a house was $50k to $100k. Also back then, yields were 10% to 15%. Yearly interest was thus in the order of $9k up to $17k.

    2. Over the 90’s, prices doubled, but Interest Rates had fallen to a range of between 7% and 9%. Interest paid per year was still around $10k to $18k.

    3. In the first half of the 2000’s (before the GFC), prices soared to become double again, and even triple what they were in the late ’90’s. Interest was around 6% to 8% then surged to 9% post-GFC and after the Rudd election. Later that year, the cash rate fell like a stone to “unprecedented levels” as the world struggled with the aftermath of the GFC.

    4. Even as the cash rate fell, Banks increased their margin from 1.3points above cash rate to 2.5 points above. Thus, the Interest rates didn’t get below 5% until these later years as the cash rate has dropped even further (currently at a Record Low of 1.5% – then add the Banks’ margin of around 2.5% to get current IR’s).

    So, even though IR’s are as low as they are, the Banks are doing “quite nicely thank you!” They get around 2.5% of each mortgage. Previously they got 1.3% of a $100k mortgage (so, $1300 a year). Today they get (e.g.) 2.5% of a $500k mortgage – so $12.5k a year !!

    On the flip side, wages growth has been minimal, so IR’s MUST stay low to prevent the economy from tanking. Any increase from current (say) 4.5% up to 7.5% is actually a 67% increase !! With no/low wage growth, I can’t see IR’s reaching anything near 7.5% any time soon.

    If the cash rate DOES go up, maybe the banks can give back some of that huge increase they have been getting by accepting a 1.3% loading once more. That could allow the cash rate to increase while not costing borrowers any extra Interest. Oh, did YOU just see that pig flying by too? It was pink and had huge ears – and it was doing at least 80KmH….

    :p

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    Hi Michael,

    I’m thinking of the following solution: I believe the value of the property would drop by at least 20%.

    Thanks for the answers provided so far – that now leads me to a few more questions/comments that might help you to arrive at the right conclusion for YOU. You mentioned you expect at least a 20% drop, and I understand that to be a “best guess” – no shame in that. Can you share WHY you expect such a large drop?

    What I am trying to glean is whether your investment really will grow over time – here are a few examples:-
    1. If your place is in Sydney which has just had a huge run-up in prices, and a tailing off and even a small drop is quite likely in the next year or two I would think. I dunno about 20% though – that is quite large. And yes, I would expect the values in Sydney to rise again in the next boom. One caveat would be that the location of your purchase is not in an undesirable area of Sydney.

    2. If your place was purchased in a mining town where values screamed up then dropped like a stone, I wouldn’t be looking forward to very much growth into the future.

    Similar where just one employer feeds a whole town (if you have bought in a regional area) – what happens when that one employer hits hard times?

    Steve penned a recent article about checking the percentage of investors versus owners of property in your area of interest (i.e. where you bought the property). In essence, the higher percentage that OWN their house in any area is goodness. If investors own more properties than owners do, then watch out !! (This is also a typical “mining town” phenomenon – investors piled in during the good times, but then found it difficult to sell when mining companies changed their employment patterns and rental properties were no longer needed in large quantities).

    If I can find that Article, I will add a link below…..
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/watch-out-for-this-simple-stat/

    One thing you might not have considered is “opportunity cost”. That means, by having your money locked up in this investment, it precludes you from purchasing a better deal elsewhere. Or, on the other hand, you might already know that your property IS in a good area with a really good chance of value increases into the future, and are prepared to hang on. And that’s fine too.

    In that latter case, I believe using an Offset account and doing some of those other things (re-financing, etc) should make your weekly cashflow better, enabling you to hold on to the investment. Many owners “hold on” through hard times – but then they are wanting a home, not an investment.

    Let’s see where those thoughts lead, ;)

    Benny

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    Hi Michael,
    Steve McKnight would probably say “If you wouldn’t buy it today at the price it is, why are you keeping it?” … or words to that effect.

    I don’t know your numbers but you will….. Consider :-

    1. What it will cost you per year to hold it currently (even as its value diminishes too?) – isn’t this good money going after bad?
    2. Will it cost less to hold if you were to refinance (value still likely to diminish though)
    3. Do you have any kind of theory re how much the value might drop by?
    4. If you were to sell it now, even if at a loss, this does a number of things:-
    a. It stops you bleeding money week by week,
    b. It allows you to borrow afresh for something else (i.e. your serviceability rises)
    c. It locks in your Loss, preventing it from getting bigger perhaps, and
    d. That loss can be deducted from any FUTURE Capital Gains even if in years to come (I think – but check that with your adviser).

    Re “which broker” there are several good ones on here, and their signatures often display their history. e.g. Richard Taylor notes his investing history and success in his signature – go take a look.

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    Hi Terry,

    Thanks so much for that link to the legislation. Personally, I found that MUCH easier to read than those earlier examples. It was clear, unequivocal, and easy to understand. I think I will store that link as a Favorite !!

    The only area that is less clear (for me) is 3A where they refer to other “sections”…

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    The Tax Deduction doesn’t happen in Australia, but happens in UK or NZ, depending on the choice of investment.

    Cool – thanks for the clarification,

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    Hi James,

    This is assuming the property is your MPR (as is assumed in brackets at the end of my quote).

    You are right! I missed it, as I was unaware of the acronym “MPR”. I know the term as PPOR – Principal Place of Residence? Was the change to MPR (Main Primary Residence) a recent change?

    And isn’t “main primary” tautological? I wonder who thought up that darling?

    *confused*

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    Hi Propertyboy,
    The reason Rami didn’t get a new 6-year exemption is that he DIDN’T move back into the place. The words quoted show that:-

    Rami was posted by his employer from Brisbane to Melbourne for three years and settled a contract to buy a townhouse in Melbourne. He did not return to his Sydney apartment at this time.

    Had he returned to his apartment after finishing up in Brisbane, then I believe the 6 years exemption would have started again. But he finished up in Brisbane on 31 Dec 1999, and was sent straight to Melbourne without returning to live in his home.

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    Hi Steven,
    Totally right re “Cashflow being more important than Growth”. The whole scenario has been pretty well presented, so well done. There is one area I think needs a little more focus though, or maybe I am missing something:-

    b) Next, comes Capital Gain Tax, so bye bye 25% of my profit.
    c) Finally, the remaining profit is treated as my personal income.

    To me, b anc c are actually combined. i.e. CGT is arrived at by calculating the actual profit you have made (removing costs of buying and selling, etc), then taking 50% of that profit and adding that reduced figure to your Income for the year of sale.

    If you happen to be on the kind of wage that brings you near 50% Tax, then this will indeed equate to “25% of your profit” as you mentioned. But only once! So, if you have said byebye to your profit in “b”, you don’t say byebye again in “c”.

    Or did you have some other profit in mind when you wrote that?

    Other thoughts I had on reading your post were these:-

    1. Having BOTH Growth and Cashflow is best, as Growth can grow your equity far quicker than most of us can save. So maybe start by having a portfolio that is “cashflow positive”, then as cashflow permits, add the occasional negative geared “Growth” property to balance things.

    2. By buying properties that require a reno, one can often add way more in dollar value than is spent on the actual reno, thus lifting both the Equity and the rental income.

    3. Stamp Duties (or Transfer Duties today) vary between states so do your calcs depending on where YOU are buying – e.g. Qld is currently 3.5% for $500k properties (with GST added too?? I’m unsure… but I would hope NOT !!)

    4. There has been a tendency for marketeers to oversell the benefits of Negative Gearing to wannabe investors – and, as you mention Steven, those who know little about investing might “rush to buy into a booming area”.

    5. For those starting out, cashflow certainly is King. Without it, life gets hard and scarey.

    Anyway, good thoughts there Steven, and thanks for sharing that info, :)

    Benny

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