Have a deal for $175k (25k below asking price & 80k under council valuation). Offered before xmas on a 30day sale, it still hasn't settled and we added one clause that if after 30 days the titles (as it was a subdivision) have not gone through, we could put a tenant in and pay all rates etc… It's been 8mths and we are still collecting $170pw rent and waiting. Not bad for 10% down.
Hi Sonny, i'll start with what basics i know. You will need to speak with the planning department at the local council and if you tell them the address they may be able to tell you straight away if you can do it firstly. Maybe they will not allow a subdivision on a 600sqm block (maybe only single storey) depending on where it is located. (speaking from experience).
There are new guidelines in regard to if it is a 2-3bdrm you need to be able to have a car turn around and drive out forward instead of reversing up a long driveway (this takes up a bit of space) and i think you need 45sqm open space for a yard (in one area). 3yrs ago this wasn't the case.
In regards to a tenant having a problem with it, if you put it in the tenancy agmt that at some point the back may be subdivided (which takes a minimum of 3mths anyway to get approval) and their may be another dwelling erected. You could offer a small discount off the rent or they may not care anyway if they work full time. You obviously wouldn't want a tenant with children (due to safety).
This is all i know from my experience and my council. good luck hope it helped a little.
Hi Linar, i think most charge about 30%. I have had a quote for 90% above for a straighforward job (yeah right i'll give them the job!). We just did it ourselves, although my husband is a Project Manager anyway but in IT&T. I'm sure others can offer you more detail than i can. Maybe if you post where it is someone may know someone who is not only reputable but reasonably priced. good luck anyway
The hard yards are usually worth it Tysonboss1, you have a plan and a head firmly on your shoulders. I believe good things come to good people in one shape or another and to those who work hard and remain positive.
For what it's worth, my husband and i built our dream home (it was beautiful, perfect) in another suburb and we learnt a valuable lesson. It isn't the home inside that makes it feel like home, it's when you step outside and can smile and know you may live in a home that isn't perfect but everything else feels right. We went from a 50sq owner builder home on 1/4acre and sold to move to Altona into a 12sq old home on 730sq near the beach (for 2yrs grrrrr, with 2 toddlers). We have just extended / renovated to 26sq and the value of our property has skyrocketed. I believe location is the key and would rather live in 26sq in a great suburb than 50sqs (5car gge) in a lesser suburb that made me feel unhappy and isolated.
I just want to hear other peoples stories and for others to know that not everyone is set up perfectly just yet. Keep the stories flowing, i'm sure it gives everyone an insight into the realities and sacrifices we all make to attain happiness and wealth from investing / working hard. ONLY POSITIVE STORIES, NO KNIT PICKING
Hi Clovies, my personal opinion if it was me, i would not think any tenant was in a position in the current market to be negotiating with you on rent / terms. If your rise is reasonable (i don't know where it's located so hard to tell) but i would think you should look out for yourself.
I had a situation with a tenant recently where the boyfriend (on the lease also) skipped out and the woman neglected to tell us and fell 14 days behind in rent. Well investing shouldn't be personal and i could of had a new tenant within 12hrs in the current market where it's located. I gave her till 5pm the next day to come up with the rent or face being issued a notice to vacate. Well the rent was paid and is now up to date. It is not my place as a landlord to listen to stories of why the rent can't / isn't being paid. I'm sure someone out there will not agree with this hard approach, but business is business.
Your property manager should be acting for you, not negotiating on the tenants behalf. You need to be firm with the property manager, did he/she recommend an increase (they should be if it is under the median for the area).
Have to agree with you birddog. Three months ago i went out and bought 3 books on trading shares and they were pretty much for beginners, my god i think i forgot most of it in the morning (and that was just the first 2 chapters).
Property does seem easier as most people need to purchase one to live in so it is familiar territory. I can't just ring a stock broker and pick their brains for free on which stocks to buy or sell. I'm a bit dissapointed in myself really for putting the stockmarket books down, but it really was like a second language to me!
Without doing a costly course, can I really learn to trade basics from a book and then learn as i go?
Tysonboss, i'm sure there are many people here who would love to start but don't know how. I have looked at the same website as birddog and how funny have it in my favourites as well, but hmmmm still not sure. Can you offer an avenue we should take to start out? I don't mind the hard work even if it took me a year before my first trade.
Altona / Altona Nth / Altona Meadows are all completely different suburbs. It's like comparing Williamstown with say yarraville. Altona has properties selling right now for $500-$2mil where as altona meadows the top price is 500k roughly. Altona north top price is around $450. but they all buy you completely different things. $500k in altona will buy you a knock down on 700sqm, A 4bd brick home on 700sqm in Altona Nth and a very nice brand new 4bd home on about 700sqm in altona meadows. You need to decide what you want, can you live in an older house and do it up over time or do you want brand new now. would a townhouse suit your needs?
Back to your original question Suffragette – go to realestate.com.au and look up altona meadows and then look at properties in Altona Bay (which is closest to Altona but seperated by the golf course and Apex park along the beach) Houses are older but worth a bit more due to the land. A friend of mine just bought a house in Seabrook, it's not bad for your buck. just a thought. PM me if you need more info or help or recommended reputable agents. I'm happy to help.
You would not get into altona for 300k (not even land value anymore) in the last 6mths at least it is booming.
Altona meadows is a better bet for that money and i believe room to grow (last zone 1 railway and last suburb part of hobson bay council).
Altona median has not gone up due to the esplanade prices!!! A good house or block goes within a week and for at least $100k over the asking price. (Even a unit in a bad location sell for $300k) Altona meadows still goes for about the asking price.
I personally wouldn't recommend mancinis!!! can pm me if you want more details on that!
i live in Altona and know the market very well here
Just remember depending where you are buying your investment property, usually if it is a high growth / expensive area your rent return is a lot lower than say regional or cheaper areas. Don't over extend yourself, you should keep in mind interest rates may go up and your IP will be negatively geared anyway. Depending on what sort of investor you are, remember Higher capital growth areas equals more money out of your pocket each mth to cover the loan (even if it's interest only) and regional areas attract a bigger return but still usually only about 5-8% but don't usually have the same capital growth.
I am only offering this insight due to your PPOR being 100% loaned (and this is considered Bad Debt) where as IP's are considered Good Debt (especially if you are on a high income) but i think only if you can safely cover both.
Good luck, (i guess it's up to the mortgage lenders anyway as to what they will let you borrow)
Hi, there is actually a lengthy article regarding this in the latest edition of 'Aus Property Investor' magazine which you can pick up from the newsagent for $8.95. It has a website at the bottom of the article to go to for further help http://www.sro.vic.gov.au
Sorry Matt, i forgot to mention if you aren't working or at uni you could embark on a few reno's in some suburbs with growth potential and then rent them out and then in 10yrs time develop on the blocks for further growth and depreciation. Suburbs close to any beach and within 10kms of a capital city usually are your best bet. Research, Research, Research….Location, Location, Location…..
a bit dissapointing matt, why do you feel the need to say 'i'm not an enemy you want to make'? that can sound a bit threatening don't you think, or was that your intention.
Tyonboss was a tad right, your post came off pretty vague and i think we could all agree there are not many 19yr olds with that sort of money.
Just remember respect can go a long way and there are a lot of experienced people here that i'm sure would be willing to help if you shed more light on what path you would like to take. Maybe do a bit of reading on commercial, residential, shares etc and chat to your accountant. I'm sure with that sort of money you can diversify and be successful if you undertake proper due diligence on any venture. You don't state if you are at uni or have a job, maybe a franchise that you could be hands on with.
Keep us up to date with how you go along the way, we all love a success story!
What a shame you have had some bad experience, that can be quite stressfull especially when you should be happy and excited about buying an investment. All you can do is think, it all happens for a reason and the right property is out there somewhere for you.
An example i have of my own is where we previously had a 30 day settlement on a property which secured us a better price to purchase but the vendor stretched out settlement for 4mths!! (great for us) the reason was they had so much junk and furniture and more junk to move out. I was concerned as to what state the property would be left in so we had our conveyancer send a letter 2wks before the final settlement telling them we expect the property to be free of junk and left in a clean order. This worked for us as the house and land could not of been cleaner if i did it myself. I made sure i inspected the property 1wk before hand also (driving 2hrs to do so) just so they new i was serious about it being clean.
Another example is where we offered a 30 day settlement (with a council) and our lower offer was accepted, we made sure we had a clause in the contract that stated we are able to show potential tenants through prior to settlement (as the place was vacant anyway) and that if after 30 days they could not settle we were entitled to rent out the property and we would pay all rates, bills from that date on. It has been almost 7mths and we still haven't settled (that's coucils for you) and we have a great tenant which we have been collecting rent from since xmas.
Let me just say that we have only had a win on both these properties after learning the hard way before.
i do agree with you blogs on the last sentence, but geeze you don't have to generalise about peoples professions. Instead of commenting to him and putting him down, just ignore the post altogether, you aren't helping people feel at home when you put down their profession. Let people express themselves, it is here for all of us to join in don't you think? I'm a stay at home mother with a hard working husband, have you got a comment about my CHOSEN JOB???????? oh and i would love to know so i can tell my kids… what is the real world??
Blogs, i think you're being a bit hard on teachers. i know two teachers and believe me they mingle in private schools with professors and doctors. Who taught you how to add up the numbers in your investments, oooh a teacher i presume. Be constructive, we are all here to learn and share… not pick on newbies like we are AT school!
We have several investment loans through Onedirect and we deal with one person and he is great, we have found their service and response time great and a good rate too. We have found dealing with them over the phone and via email wonderful and easier for us than going in to see someone.
We have 80% loans and it has been an easy process for our 30 day settlements. We had one issue on one property where they couldn't settle and we were charged by our conveyancer and the seller and Onedirect reimbursed all of these costs promptly.
Sorry oneiricer, not directed at you personally. just a figure of speech in terms of most peoples general outlook of the West versus South East. Just trying to help out with a little insight hope i helped a little. Gosh so many topics are turned into a roasting here, maybe i should put my tail between my legs. lol no really i think your topic is interesting and until the stigma attached to the WEST is slowly eroded most people will still look at the area like 'the moon'.
I attended an auction today in Altona, a house sold for $265k above the asking price!!! sounds like the west taking off a bit to me.
Good luck with your investment search, you may like to look at Seabrook for about $270k it's right in the middle of Point cook / Altona and right next door to Sanctuary lakes, very much a first home buyers area and good rental returns. Will benefit from all the schools public and private that are going in around it.
One more thing which is interesting…. my husband can remember when no one wanted to live on the Esplanade in Altona (due to seaweed smell) they all thought Queen Street was better, so hence why there was a lot of vacant blocks their and small cheap houses until a few years ago. Who's laughing now, small 700sqm blocks sell for no less than 1mil and rising fast. It's all a matter of perception, the seaweed smell is still there!!!!! Keep in mind the new Laverton / Point Cook township that was announced not long ago. First home buyers will be FORCED WITH NO OPTIONS into the outer west and of course they need shops, schools, roads, public transport. I believe in good time Werribee will boom due to infrastructure improvements (on top of what is there now) and all the new schools in Point Cook and surrounding areas. I wouldn't snubb my nose up at the West, we have a lot of improving to do, but when it happens – watch out.