Agree with Peters comments. Margaret does advocate buying sight unseen as that removes any “emotional attachment” to the property.
I have 2 point here:
1. I think its actually a positive to have an emotional attachment to the property. If I thinks its a attractive property then there is a good chance that a potential tenant will also. This is especially important as we see vacancy rates rising.
2. As previously pointed, Building & Pest only tell you some many things. One property I was very keen to buy, so I drove out to have a look. The agent didn’t tell me it was actually situated on the main highway with Trucks going past the front door. The second was a lovely cottage, or so the pics said. It was actually 100metres froma railway line and across the road from the Rail Freight Terminal! Now the only way I would have found this out was by visiting the area.
Just saw the suggestion of building capital with no $$$ behind you, by flipping. I’v read Steve’s book so I have a brief idea, but doesnt flipping require the purchaser to still have finance approved, and then on sells it at a joint settlement? Or have I just got myslef horribly confused..
I agree 100% with your comments. Every author/speaker has a slightly different strategy or approach, and you have to feel comfortable with that idea.
For example Steve with wrapping. If you are not comfortable with the concept of wrapping, then part of Steves book may not be for you.
Personally I love to “buy” stuff, and am always searching for bargains (motorcycles/computers/camera etc) so Dolfs book on “finding properties with a twist” and seeking out undervalued properties suited my “style” the most.
In saying that I have picked up valuable advice from many other books and sources.
Convincing the “other half”, not the easiest task in life…[]
I signed a contract on a 3 bedroom property last week, purchase price $88k and will return $160 p/w as is. Ahh, I hear grumbles out there “but this doesnt fit the 11 sec rule”
But wait thee’s more!
One of the bedrooms is a long room, with an entry door at either end. Spoke to the builder that did the building inspection, and he said cost approx $1000 to put a wall in. Now once its a 4 bedroom I will achieve $190 – $200 p/w, as this area had a lot of familys and a real shortage of 4 bed homes. So Cost to me is $1000 yet i receive $1560 in extra income (assume $30 extra p/w x 52) which is a 65% return p/a
But wait there’s more….
The house has no A/C, and installing it will cost about $6000. THis will add $20 p/w in rental income. Producing a return of 17% pa, not as good as the wall return, but still good.
But wait there is more….
I purchased the house approx $12,000 below market value (in the opinion of the building inspector) because the house never actually hit the market (hence BEST deals aren’t found on realestate.com site)
So House is worth about $100,000 at time of purchase, but with 4th bedroom and A/C value is closer to $130,000
Total debt is $88,000 (purchase price) plus 4th bedroom $1000 plus A/C $6000 = $95,000 (plus costs)
After reading Steve’s book, and this thread, I was wondering if there are any “guidelines” as to using this “spotters fee” system.
For example what do people charge for introducing them to a deal (subject to it being bought)?
Is the introducer relying simply on the honesty of the buyer to pay them after they have bought the property?
As it seems there are some active members of the forum whom have the time and energy to souce “good deals”, so I just wanted to see if there were some guidelines to follow
But I believe there are some things which shouldn’t necessarily be aired on the forum. For example if someone paid $$$$$$ to attend a 2 or 3 day seminar, should they then come back to the forum and reveal all the “secrets from the course”
Or if you attended the “Reno Kings” seminar, then came back and uploaded the booklet on the internet.
Understand you views and fair enough. I suppose I was just quite surprised to see someone on this forum whom was so critical of property.
I must admit that Dolf De Roos book “Real Estate Riches” provided the motivation for me to enter the property market, but I am unsure if he has any qualifications in accounting or financial planning.
It appears you have a wealth of Knowledge on the Share Market, and I must admit my knowledge base is very limited and I’d been keen to do a course to give me a better unerstanding of the market.
I visited your website, but was surprised by the highly critical views you have of property and those whom conduct seminars to pass on their knowledge….
” These people have no formal qualifications, and usually everything they say is a lie.”
Pretty harsh words, do you have any evidene to support this claim? If so I’d be interested to hear it, as I certainly dont want to waste my $1000 – $2500 to attend a property course if its full of lies.
and secondly…
” I could market positive geared strategies for property, it would be a lot easier to sell. If I did that though, I could guarantee that all of my students would either lose money or not be able to use the knowledge.”
You believe that all your students would actually lose money on property investments??
How can so many property investors be getting it wrong?
Sorry Calron, I have to leap to Comdoms defence. I agree that this forum is a great source of information and gives members the tools they require to become successful positive cashflow investors.
The key word here is TOOLS. There is no free ride, nor should there be. Once you have the tools, then I believe the onus is on the investor to do the hard work, research the areas, contact the ABS, look at population trends, local industry, proposed future projects etc. I bought my first IP last week, on the back of WEEKS of research.
The point comdom makes if you spend weeks/months researching an area, and then another member highlighted it to the 20,000 members here, do you think you would be a little upset? You did all the homework, yet another investor (or 20 of them) whom may be cashed up, jumps on a plane and buys 10 properties each.
Many members here may disagree with me, and I actually expect it. But I have read too many posts asking, “Where should I buy”, or “the are no postive cashflow properties and no-one here will tell me where they are.”
Not to mention it is far more rewarding if you find that diamond through your own hard work!
His book “Real Estate Riches” is widely available in most book shops.
One of his philosophies in buying property is to buy right. For example, if you buy a property for $90,000 and its valued at $100,000 you have just grossed $10,000 in equity, even if there is no immediate capital growth!
But to do this you need to do your homework and RESEARCH, which has been highlighted here on the forum many times. Unfortunately too many people want a “FREE RIDE” to get rich quick without putting in the hard work.
He suggests look at 100 properties, put an offer in of 10, finance for 3 and end up with one. Imagine if you looked at 100 properties. How well would you know the market? You would truely become your own valuer, and would buy with such confidence because of the knowledge you have gained.
If only interstate buyers did this in the 90’s when they were flown to the Gold Coast by two tier marketers, no one would have been ripped off.
1. You can buy property well below market value by researching and putting in plenty of offers. With shares you buy At Market Rate.
2. There are a hundred things you can do to massively increase the value of your property once you have bought it. (renovate, add A/C, add bedroom, landscape etc etc). With shares there is NOTHING you can do to increase the value.
P.S.,,
Just a quick question to those whom have attend their seminars, do they cater for those whom are “Handyman Challenged”, or do you have to be reasonably handy to get value out of it?
Im doing some research on the “Reno Kings” myself. On face value it seems good value, I have only heard positive feedback. However I did hear that its a lot of slides shown.
SO you think the De Roos tapes are good value? I have been considering buying them but just haven’t got around to it.
I was very impressed with his book, “Real Estate Riches”, as he is the first person I’ve heard say “Buying well” is the key. They have known that in the used car market for years, money isnt made with a good sale, its with a good buy.
If it wasnt for Dolfs book I would not have started thinking about property investing, let alone actually doing it.
I am a firm believer of his “100:10:3:1” philosophy. Too many people just want it to happen, they dont want to work for it.
Cheers,
Battz
P.S. If Steves seminar is a “zillion times better than Dolf” I’ve just gotta do it!