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    It works if it gets you there.

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    Rents in my areas of Ashgrove, Bulimba, Ningi, Kingaroy and Hampton (Vic) are steady and rising.

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    Yes property is affordable and our disposbale income is relatively higher thatn it ever has been.

    We have never had it so good.

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    Erik,

    Excellent web site very intereting price trends, keep it up.

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    wealth4life.com wrote:

    Australia's property bubble: it's here


    w4l you never give up on the bubble do you ?

    sorry to say its not here though

    I dont see creative finance, new loan products, investors piling in, 100% loans, quite the opposite in fact

    I dont see finance figures exceeding price growth, so not debt fuelled either

    But I never had the sixth sense either you know the one

    I See Bubbles

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    blogs wrote:
    Sorry-Bardon-my comment wasnt necessarily directed at you, it was supposed to be a general comment to the 'property bulls' only realised later (but cant edit) that it would sound that way…

    No worries at all, but when it comes to the wise old bulls dont forget that in the fullness of time they always prevail.

    Not like those pesky bears that have a short and toey life span, they remind me of mozzies, annoying, biting, irritating at night and then before you know it they are all dead for most of the year.

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    coolbutters wrote:
    .  Any takers that wish to explain, by all means respond to what might be my ignorance.

    Allow me to explain:

    To All My Valued Employees,

    There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job, however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

    However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

    First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Subaru Outback outside. You've seen my big home at last year's Christmas party. I'm sure all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealised thoughts about my life.

    However, what you don't see is the back story.

    I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 2 bedroom flat for 3 years. My entire living area was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

    My diet consisted of baked beans, stew and soup because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a wonky transmission. I didn't have time to go out with women. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business — hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

    Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50,000 a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes.

    Instead of hitting the David Jones for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

    So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend.

    There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden — the nice house, the Subaru, the vacations… you never realise the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

    Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't.
    The people that overspent their pay suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

    Yes, business ownership has its benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

    Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

    I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough.
    I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes.
    Payroll taxes. Workers compensation. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes.
    I have to hire a accountant to manage all these taxes and then guess what?
    I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a cheque to the Australian tax Office for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" cheque was? Zero. Zip. Zilch.

    The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare cheque?

    Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

    The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your pay you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

    Here is what many of you don't understand …. to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had the government suddenly mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Canberra black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth.

    My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

    When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of Australia and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. But the power brokers in Canberra believe the poor of Australia are the essential drivers of the Australian economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

    So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple.

    If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your 4WD and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

    Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalises the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

    So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a politicians that swept through this country changed its financial landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about….

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    to many questions

    buy now

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    blogs wrote:
    bardon wrote:
    The last I looked it was back on or very near its long term average.

    Obviously the people who bought and lost 33% in Toorak for example thought prices were going to keep going up, and so do you. Seems simple to me-things are only going to get worse before they get better. With this in mind if you beleive despite all this property will some how miraculously fight the tide and actualy go up in value you have rocks in your head….

    Wrong on both accounts about  me, but thats okay, you dont have to get it right its only internet chatter aftter all..

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    blogs wrote:
    I still cant beleive how much greed can blind people-I cant beleive peopel still think property is goign to keep going up when everything is pointing to the fact its going to come down??

    .

    Thinking that property is not going to drop 20-40% is completely different from thinking it is going to go up.

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    What is really scary is the guy featured in the article teaches our future economic academics, I guess they never knew anyway in the past , so why change now.

    At least we know that the economic models all got it so badly wrong recently, so we have a pretty good correlation that their accuracy will remain consistent in the future.

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    blogs wrote:

    Ummmm becasue this 'recession' is unlike any we have ever had before and the property price bubble is far far bigger than anytime before. Property has increased (inflated) at a faster rate than ever before, and will equally deflate or pop by more than ever before.

    Why is it that people can accept gains far outside the realms of 'normal' but cant accept coenciding losses…..?

    Tell me-why do you think 40% is rediculous? What have you based this 'educated' opinion on? Toorak is already 33% down-you think once the full recession hits, interest rates go up, unemployment up inflation up they couldnt possibly drop another 7%?

    The last I looked it was back on or very near its long term average.

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    god_of_money wrote:

    I read the news today that KRudd Co.. might revise the limit of negative gearing during May budget… sound interesting!!!

    Do you mean hobby farms ?

    if you mean residential property investment then the Law of Unintended Cosequences would apply same as it did when Keating tinkered with it.

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    Yawn

    The other Yooni Professor Keens prediction is 40%.

    Such foresight.

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    wealth4life.com wrote:
    Hello all,

    This is going to be the BIG new crave in property … my accountant just traded one of his properties for a business for his son to run.

    Have you done any trades or are you interested in this …

    Yeh do it all the time………………………

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    Sambosa wrote:
    Hi all,

    Who's keen to put a prediction in????

    I predict this thread will still be running.

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    Hybrid, I have some suggestions about this what  about we meet for a coffee to discuss?

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    Very near the bottom if not there in Melb, Sydn, Bris for starter homes which is all that I am interested in.  I dont think there is such a perfect moment of, this is the bottom, but we are near it.  Thats not to say that growth is coming back, merely a long boring phase (recovery) of no more price drops, stock dropping and first home buyers and investors (not sepculators) renetering the market.

    If the starter homes get any cheaper then it just means that either investors will make more cash flow or renters will have a clearer economic  reason to move into ownership.

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    devo76 wrote:
    bardon wrote:
    Hey well done getting in there, fancy posting the link to the next one ?what was the contrarct price on the one you missed out ?

    question questions

    I think I will get another mortgage before infaltion sets in

    I will post a link to this one after sale has finalised just incase it falls through and i get another go.As for the one im looking at now. keeping that one to myself.The return is not the greatest but it is prime development land in very sought after area and return good be pushed to about 8.5% at next rental review.Will post if i lose interest.

    Thank Devo 76 good luck with the negotations and look forward to reviewing the links when your right with it.

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