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At the lvr you are talking about have you included contingencies and interest cap?
Are you prepared to get presales ?
Is it your first or have you done this before?
It will be too small for a property specialist with a Major bank however there are plenty of investors that will take a punt on the 80-90k.
Your right Richard however a few of them have higher rates.
If you meet the existing client critera you can get wealth or mav package from 6.16% or the 3 rate saver / economiser.
What state are you in?
I don’t usually give companies like this too much time – lodge a claim to someone like Vcat (vic) or contact an industry body to find out what dispute resolution options you have – If you bring in a third party into it e.g. Ombudsman or similar; they might pay more attention.
Re savy investors – A lot of declines with the majors at the moment come down to presentation / lack of supporting comments. If you can identify the potential reasons that you might get declined and cover off these risks in your comments (mitigate the risks in advance) – you will get a fast answer (and better chance of approval). Helps if you understand or have access to policy.
If I was raising finance I’d look for a BOQ owner operator, ANZ Franchise or CBA Mortgage Innovator-
Bit of a tricky one. The banks have taken steps to prevent customers and brokers being able to pick a valuer that they have a relationship with.
For example – when the bank orders a valuation their computer takes the data re the property and allocates it to a valuer – therefore not even the banker / broker knows who the valuer is until after the valuation is orderred (computer randomly selects the valuer).
Once this is done – that is the only valuer the bank will accept.
Over the past two years a few brokers, bankers and valuers had taken advantage of the previous system.
You would be better asking which banks allow you to select the valuer.
As far as I am aware Westpac, CbA and BankWest have no ability to choose the valuer (unless credit make an exception).
This applies to retail – not commercial.
Cba do 95% plus LMI if you have a credit card, car loan or personal loan with them – must have had it fir at least 6 months. You need 5% genuine savings though.
Number 8 – your right about some of the benefits but people have different goals.
Personally I have About 4 years to finish paying off my properties.
All I want to do is pay them off and collect rent, along with trail from my mortgage book. I don’t have any desire to drive nice cars – would rather live by a beach and surf every day. Work a day or two a week if I need to.
Like a lot of people I couldnt give a damn about having 20 properties –
why should I stay interest only?
I’d rather have my titles at home than funds available in offset.Depends on your state
2.5 months?
They don’t take that long – not if the deals are submitted properlyJust a point for number 8.
Working over ten years in both commercial and retail banking – most clients with int only and offset do not have cash in offset equal to the amount their loan would have reduced if p+i.
200k over 30 years at 6.5% is approx $1264 versus approx $1083 Interest only. I don’t think I would notice the $179 per month.
Its interesting that after 5 years people on IO don’t seem to have more money in their savings account than people on P+I.
There are two ways to get equity in property. One is growth and the other is amortization of debt. if you are 30 years old and have 5 properties on 30 year terms – At least you are guaranteed to have 5 properties debt free at 60 (if you just see the loans through)
Interest only is good in theory. In reality the average person will spend more when they have a higher level of disposable income.
Is IO better than PI or PI better than IO – Both have advantages and disadvantages.
Bit like cross collaterisation…
You’re right I don’t have all the details. But a deal that is submitted correctly should have a background on the client and a list of areas that the deal is outside of policy along with supporting comments re why it should be approved.
If a client has bad credit you need to outline the details of each default or judgememt, what caused the default and why the client is now good for finance. If all required info is submitted upfront you should be fine. If credit ask questions it is generally because there are gaps in the info provided. It is a broker or bankers job to present the file to credit and answer questions before they need to be asked.
I don’t have many strait forward deals – most are over 1m, most have a few properties and most have companies and trusts – defaults are more common with self employed deals however if the deal is worth doing defaults won’t stand in the way of approval.
You said on the 14 feb it has been two weeks – therefore almost 3 months to get your answer…
Not trying to sound like a prick however its a very long time – I’m not pro CBA but no lender on Australia takes that long?
Jhk – sorry to say it but if your deal takes that long it’s most likley your broker. Once a deal goes to an underwriter you’re looking at approx 48 hours as a maximum. CBA are writing almost 50% of home loans in australia at the moment. It’s rare that my deals take more than a day or two for approval.
Call the state revenue office. I had a similar problem with BankWest. The amount in my contract was incorrect. I notified them and they said it was an estimate and the correct amount would come back at settlement. They then overpaid the SRO.
Funny thing was when I called the state revenue office the knew which bank as I was one of many this was happening to. We filled in some forms direct with the state revenue office and got the money approx 12 weeks later.
It is something your conveyancer should have noticed.
ryan mclean wrote:Be careful because when you put your loans with the same bank they are automatically cross colateralised.As long as you let the banker know you don’t want them crossed you should have no problem. In some cases the banker needs to load two new applications as opposed to one on their computer. Apart from that there is no interal policy I have seen within a bank to say you must cross.
All loan contracts state the security offerred – if they are crossed both properties are listed in the contract. If they are seperate you will have different contracts – each with one property listed in the security schedule.
You may not need low doc. If you are contracting full time to just one company you can be treated almost as payg.
You need approx 790k in total against two properties worth approx 1.1M. If you can show you can meet interest for 12 months ( plenty of time to sell) you should be OK.
You can use your 48k towards the 12 month interest ~ therefore must be able to service the end debt (after you’ve sold) or the balance of interest (annual interest less 48k) – higher of the two.
It is the type of deal that comes down to presentation – I would go to CbA or Westpac and say you will only deal with a relationship banker – branch network might struggle with it. A good banker should be able to mitigate your income. Banks also favor existing clients – if you want a hard deal approved your existing bank would be most likley to do it.
Technically a trust is not a legal entity – it is a structure. The income needs to be transferred (distributed) to a legal entity which then pays tax at it’s own tax rate. The losses stay in trust however can be carried forward and deducted from futures profits.
A warning here to others. There are reasons that banks lend lower ratios on student accommodation, retirement units, studio apartments and serviced apartments. This is due to the risk – both in return of capital and revenue.
Often operators of these businesses are also the developers. The revenue from the management company is not generally enough to service the development costs – therefore most sell down units / apartments to transfer debt from banks to investors (often a condition of funding)
A lot of mortgage brokers and sales staff take up to 4% commission on these properties. Don’t buy one unless you get a bargin. Don’t buy at the developers price. Don’t pay above bank valuation.
High risk investments
rental guarantee are not worth anything
capital growth is limited
they cost more than there worth
crap crap crapIf there is no lease it wil be treated as vacant possession and you will pay GST.
For referance if a comm property is leased it will have a going concern value e.g. Value if sold with current tennent. If it is vacant it will generally be sold on vacant possession value. Valuers will often include both values in a report. Many banks only lend against vacant possession value (unless a very strong deal).
If your property is not purchased as a going concern e.g. Vacant or to be owner occupied – you pay GST. Often major banks will lend the GST component on a short term overdraft unitl you lodge BAS and get the GST back (lent over and above normal LVR).
If your not registerred for GST make sure you buy going concern – alternitivly register for GST, lodge one BAS, get your refund and deregister from GST.
To the best of my knowledge if their is no lease – you will be treated as vacant possession – I could be wrong…
Also worth noting you can get your banker to revalue your properties every 12 months. In most cases their system will not request a new Val if you stay within 8-10% increase per annum.
It’s a good way to bump up your limits annually without formal valuations.
Add the caveat to the mortgage and devide by the value of the property.
E.g.
Current mortgage. 256K
plus caveat. 32ktotal debts against security. 288k
288 / 320 = 90% LVR
Given that it is monthly interest you might need to borrow to cover some of the costs. Establishment fees and legal fees can be high.
Why not tell us what it is for?
For most purposes the benefits do not justify the costs however there are exceptions.