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    crusty wrote:
    Hi ,  Badger and Dan  Congratulations to Badger on your investing  sucess. I actually agree badger on his comments on semminars and the morons who take notes on B S.        May be I was reading between the lines but  I was refering to comments about  Tim,  and comments like I am wily canny and flexible etc . that made badger sound like a smart arse but when he explained his stratetgy he didnt seem to be as  sophisticated as the impression I was getting.      It is good to see some robust discussion for a change and some-one finaly challenge some of the propaganda  and myths pushed at semminars.    My philosophy is I started with nothing and I  cant take anything with me when I go, so I am prepared to go with nothing. Just enjoy the ride. I can be be happy with nothing and was, I have  a property in asia  where I can live on virtually nothing if  if I come undone . I could make it into a back packers and make good money.  I am lazy and dont like working and dont understand why people do.   I am an accidental investor I would see opportunity and think I should buy that and kick my self that I didnt. So I decided I wouldnt die wondering. So when I see an oportunity I grab it, they seem to come along every few years usually in bunches of about 3 which can make it difficult at times. My  second property was bought using vendor finance I found out what the vendor wanted, at a time when property was hard to  sell they wanted a little more income than their pension but not too much that they lost the pension and other benefits. so they were very happy to accept a low price and  a low interest  rate but guarrranteed income for 20 years. 2 years  ago I wanted them to take advantage of the coming property  slump but I had to get them to release their mortgage, to get finance from the bank. so I went to a solicitor and got a contract drawn up I had to double what was paying each weak and instead of the loan terminating in 5 years , I had to pay for the rest of their lives.  A win win situation. I immediately went and found some tennants found out what they would pay then bought one house and some land to build another. then last year  bought a house, and  an option on some land for development, just to day bought an option on a house with large block I hope to subdivide. I also bought a house in 1997, two blocks of ground in 2003 sold the one I was going to build on for 20% more 3 Weeks after  signing contract and didnot  have to pay any stamp duty. Then built on the other.  The   deposite was part funded by  some of the 100k 1 had made on the share market by buy  5c and 25c shares in companies before they were floated. Started with$ 2000     some  went to be worth $13 now about $5 My  first invest was pivot shares for 50c     for a while they were worth $180 now probably  about $60 Now my share portfolio is probably about 300 k but l have only put in about 30k of my own money. I got into property because I didnt  know how to acess money in the share market with out paying huge capital gains tax. The bank will  still consider them as assets when you get a loan. I have also dabbled in commodity futures market and lost 17k.once but also made a bit. Yes I have 1.3million in equity whatever the relevance of that is.

    Read your post Crusty – I'm not sure the "started with nothing and can't take anything when I go" philosophy is particularly robust. Surely it's the bit in between that's most important? That's why I want to be secure. 

    I sort of fell asleep after that.

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    PS – This type of person is usually very short.

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    crusty wrote:
    Well what a disapointment that turned out to be badger. I thought maybe your were a clever investor. I guess you just  dont know what you dont know. May  be you better read some more books.  If you are as smart as you pretend you wouldnt be  paying CGT or selling costs , especially if you bought quality investment property in the first place. You should get at least  10% growth  and 4% yeild.  Use low intrest rates in the UK to levearage in to the UK market  with a 1million deposite.  To sell a property last year wasnt  very smart there was no real down turn only good buying opportunities. Also if your so smart you would know the fx rate is not an issue as it can be hedged. also I  dont consider putting money in to super a smart move perhaps it is ok if it is self managed , but it is too restrictive and the fees are too high.  If you property prices are falling  obvoiusly you were not smart enough to buy the right investment grade property , it is  still growing strongly.  Property is usually at least  a10 year investment why puy a heap of property if you plan to sell it  after less than 4 years, must be bad investments and you cant pay for it. That is the only reason you would sell property. Your strategey seems very unsophisticated to me.

    To all those folks out there that are trying to get ahead, here is a great example of someone who believes that making money is more than it really is – quite simple. These self appointed "gurus" are the problem. Making money is not that difficult  and you do not need to pay someone $5k to find out how. But these people perpetuate the idea that is it something akin to physics. The net result is a bunch of spruikers exploiting Joe Punter because punters buy into the notion that it is sophisticated. This guy is talking nonsense. It's just a bunch of words that are uninformed and are based upon some huge assumptions with no understanding of the subtleties of my situation. All he is doing is puffing himself up with some techno-babble that is designed to make him look superior.

    Bottom-line – I started with $140k and ended up with $1.3m in 5 years. My advice – don't get sucked in by such b*ll*cks, it's really not that difficult. Just get a good accountant.

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    Just a quick farewell to you all. And to those who were curious about what I did , here’s the breakdown of my last couple of years, which was build on a base of about $140k to start with in around mid 2005.

    Part owner in an IT consulting company start up – Sold my share for $400,000 18 months ago net after CGT (60k CGT in to super). 

    Recently sold my remaining 2 IPs – Sold one late last year and the other settles in mid August. Both sold before the current down turn (possible crash) – 360,000 net profit after CGT.

    Most recent PPR – Bought in 2007, sold in April this year – $170K net profit

    Shares – Bought $200k back early last year. Sold for $240k when index was up near 5000.

    I’m now leaving Australia to go back to the UK permanently with $1.3m AU in my pocket (It’s now or never with the current exchange rate). My strategy was common sense. I do not believe there is anything sophisticated with the level of knowledge required to make money in property or shares. It just takes capital, a bit of nerve and be informed. For example, only an idiot would not have seen the property downturn coming, but it’s interesting to see the herd mentality in action. Those that sold late last year and early this year did well, but the rest waited until the market had moved before they committed, now we have a bunch of property on the market with a downward trend in prices as buyers sit on the fence because they think it’ll get cheaper. And it will, for that very reason.

    $1.3m is not a king’s ransom, but it’s enough to take advantage of all the cheep property there will be in the UKin about 12 – 18 months time, which is phase II of my strategy. I'm a millionaire in Oz, now I want to be one in the UK.  Should take about another 3 – 5 years.

     

    Good luck to you all.

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    sonyasal wrote:
    BTH why didn't you pay out the $20k on one day and then pay the balance on the next?

    I was under the impression that the final figure used to calculate the economic cost was based upon the amount owing minus any allowance for additional payments over the term. There are institutions that do this, but it seems not all. And I did not check the figures until after I'd paid out.

    I've lodged a complaint, but I doubt they will give in easily as this would mean having to do the same or all. However, it is contentious, and I will refer it to the ombudsmen if I don't get satisfaction, so perhaps they might cough-up just to keep me quiet, because if they are in error it could be costly for them.

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    By all means have ambition, but it needs to be  tempered with an understanding of your limitations (financial, intelligence, disposition to things like risk, etc).  Some people will never make it so long as they have a hole in their ar$e and some are so hapless they jeopardise what limited prospects they have with dumb decisions.

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    There is a good chance there will be a dramatic decline in certain sectors of the market (although certainly not 40%), such as areas in the outer burbs where there is a greater chance of people losing their jobs as more of them are in the manufacturing sector, single income and other factors that lead to higher unemployment in the current climate. But there will be other areas that will hold, such as certain burbs closer to the cities where you have more professional workers, dual incomes etc. 

    It is important to review future employment trends in the locale when choosing an areas to invest in. It's not the only factor, but it's a good indicator of where strength will remain). But median prices do not paint a good picture of what's going on out there, for example look at what is happening in Ballarat – 8% growth. I think it's still undervalued. It's an hour from the city, it's starting to become within the commuter-belt (if not already) and you can still buy a period home for under $250k in the centre.  I'd buy there right now, but there are other places I would not touch.

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    And let's not forget that property prices are going to drop even more when there is a huge number of houses on the market because 40% of the population has died from Swine Flu ; )

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    INTERNATIONAL EMPIRE wrote:
    Badger r us,

    Once again, I've never met you, nor you meet me. How can you make a judgement on someone you never met?

    I have not said anything towards you at all.

    I do thank you for your comparison of me to Tony Robinson. This is a major compliment as he is one of the worlds most successful and powerful coaches. He has encourage millions of people worldwide to change their lives for the better.

    I am only a simple person trying to do extraordinary things.

    If everyone only had positive thoughts and not negative, the world would be a much brighter place to live in.

    Whatever happened to live, laugh, love, smile, give, encourage, gratitude, thankfulness etc etc.

    I seriously do hope you really have a pleasant day. its your choice, good or bad day, its your choice.

    Cheers!

    Eric

    Eric, if you post here then expect responses, and if your posts include cheesy lines then don't be surprised if you get paid-out.  

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    INTERNATIONAL EMPIRE wrote:
    Badgers_R_Us wrote:
    Hi Eric!   Super great to hear from you. I bet you are a really super guys who's really great. Great!  Love all your ideas – great, super, AMAZING.  You must be a really good guy, and great as well . And  I bet you'd be great at anything you do. Super.

    I'm sorry Eric but have you been lobotomised and had the bit removed replaced with a super Tony Robinson happy chip of some kind?  Being +ve is one thing, but it sounds a bit fake mate. "I bet you are a great mother" good grief!

    Badger r us,

    Im not sure where you're going with this, but I'll tkae it a s a compliment.

    Have a SUPER day !

    Eric

    Not flattery at all. I was questioning your sincerity.  Perhaps you are just Corny, but I'd hate to hear your chat up lines – "Hi Gorgeous, do you come here often?", or maybe it would sound something like; "Hi Gorgeous I suffer from amnesia brought on by my Tony Robinson  super-happy lobotomy, do I come here often?".

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    Hi Eric!   Super great to hear from you. I bet you are a really super guys who's really great. Great!  Love all your ideas – great, super, AMAZING.  You must be a really good guy, and great as well . And  I bet you'd be great at anything you do. Super.

    I'm sorry Eric but have you been lobotomised and had the bit removed replaced with a super Tony Robinson happy chip of some kind?  Being +ve is one thing, but it sounds a bit fake mate. "I bet you are a great mother" good grief!

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    quickchick wrote:

    So what strategy do you use? How's it going? Share with the forum your knowledge, for free!

    By the way, I'm not into seminars that are just there to sell their properties, just ones which are imparting knowledge on investing, and leaving the buying to us. 

    You're knocking low-brow seminars? You started this forum bagging them all!

    And still no detail of your own investing….

    quickchick

    I'm suggesting very few would not be low-brow.  Re my strategy, it's called the wily, canny, flexible and above all, not going to seminars strategy. BTW, it works well.

    Actually I lie I did go to a seminar once, but it was by mistake. I thought I was going to see a play at the theatre about this guy who knew some gullible people and thought of a really easy way to make himself a hundred grand in one evening for very little work and without having to know any more than what he read in a book. I fell asleep as I've heard the plot before, but there were a lot of people who had not read the book and thought it's easier to see the play than it is to have to bother to read the book.

     

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    InvestorMick wrote:
    Badger,

     

    I wonder if you went to school and if you did, what for? If you have kids do you send them to school and if so, what for? To do a trade or become a professional, education is always part of the process.

    I’m all for education, but I’d home-school if the only alternative was a school aimed at special needs kids who have difficulty figuring out 1 + 1, delivered by teachers who will only tell you their special secret if you coughed up $$$, only to find out the special secret is nothing anyone of average intelligence and a bit of digging about couldn’t figure out for themselves.  That said, many of these seminars are aimed at the unsophisticated investor, which really is another way of saying mug! 

    InvestorMick wrote:

    If all we need do is count on dumb luck we may as well take a loan of a couple of hundered thousand dollars and buy lotto tickets or go to the Casino because we're counting on luck!

    Mmmm, I’m thinking perhaps the poor buggers tied up in Storm, for example, would have stood a better chance at the casino. 

    InvestorMick wrote:

    By the way, I'm with Quickchic and Alani and would still love to hear your story unless of course you've not really done anything and you're just into knocking people who've done something. Ah, tall poppy syndrome, the great Australian pass time!

     Who’s knocking successful investing? I’m knocking low-brow seminars.  
     

    WJ Hooker wrote:
    Badger,

                  You don't need to tell them anything. You are entitled to a view. But don't take what anyone says to heart, we all sometimes make mistakes or post something that is not correct, and get advised of the correct answer etc.              Your post has a good point and other have their point and leave it at that.

     

    OK, let’s change the title of this forum from Opinionate to “ Say your bit then leave it at that”.

     

    Like the dig re the incorrect answer, but the answer to the question depends on your perspective – for example the right answer to the question “how can I lean about property investing if I’m a bit thick” is “here, have $5,000 Mr. Spruiker “, but the right answer if you have half a brain is “I’ll keep my five grand and buy a couple of books for a hundred bucks, thank you very much!”.

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    quickchick wrote:
    First tine I've seen this post…

     Badger, you never replied to how much you've made in property… did you forget the question? And if you were making money from property, you could use educational seminars as a tax deduction, not have to pay from your own pocket. Thanks to books, seminars and mentoring, we make more in property p.a. than from either of our day jobs.  Before we did the above, we only knew how to negatively gear (ie lose money and get a tax concession for it). Happy to be a mug if that's the case.  quickchick

      

    You sound a touch confused here – on the one hand you say spending money to take advantage of tax concessions is a freebie, but on the other it results in a loss????

    Not sure anyone in this post has asked me how much money I have made, but I assume you are referring to the question of how many IPs I have, to which I am still waiting to find out why it is relevant. I’m sure there is a whole bunch of people out there with far many more IPs than me, but I’d bet there’s a lot of those people out there up to their pits wishing they had fewer right now.  

    I notice, Michael, in your quote you say “boldness has genius, power and magic in it”, but in many cases it’s just dumb luck. The thing that separates those that make it and those that do not is often nothing more than luck. Too often we herald average people for being geniuses, but the truth is they were nothing more than in the right place at the right time and what we are seeing now is a whole bunch of last weeks’ “gurus” looking pretty bloody average right now.  Of course in many cases the “gurus” are still laughing, it’s just the mugs that they fleeced that are crapping themselves.

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    Badgers_R_Us wrote:

    devo76, I think Scamp had every right to be smug, it's not as though he was not challenged. At least Scamp’s predictions had balls, I think your "predictions" are  just quoting  the bleedin' obvious.

     

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    devo76, I think Scamp had every right to be smug, it's not as though he was not challenged. At least Scamp’s predictions had balls, I think your "predictions" are the just quoting bleedin' obvious.

     

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    Mrleumy wrote:
    You guys have far too much time on your hands,
    mildly amusing for the rest of us however!

     I’m having a bit of a mental day off. Not sure what Tim’s up to.  Hey Tim, what ya doing?  Aside from your website, is this one of your major thrusts to your marketing strategy – that is the strategy to provide exposure of you and your company to your potential customers through this website? Do you think it’s going to be successful, Tim?  I’m not sure. I think it’s a bit like having Sir Les Patterson as the front man for a dental practice. 

    LOL!

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    MortgagePlus wrote:

    Maybe you should man up and tell us all who you are. You need some new material. You have already covered crap website and lives with mum.

    In light of your excuses about my critique of your site, I thought I needed to differentiate between expedience and slop. I reemphasised the bit about your mum because I new she'd be telling you to never mind and not to let the nasty man upset Timmy.

    MortgagePlus wrote:

    Obviously you have no idea what you are on about. Finance brokers have NOTHING to do with APRA. APRA is the regulatory authority for banks and super funds (among other things)

    Tim, now come on, I think most of the readers concentrated on the attempted  funny bit, the bit about Tim's sub-prime crisis – the rest does not bear scrutiny, because it was not meant to. It's like the joke about the horse in the bar talking to the barman. None of us really think the horse actually spoke, Tim, it's just a joke. Do you think the horse actually spoke Tim, or do you just not like jokes? I think not, as you do not appear to have a sense of humour.

    MortgagePlus wrote:
    Either way, I am not wasting any more time on you as this post has just become rational feedback countered by personal attacks. When you are man enough to tell us who you are, maybe you will earn some credibility. Maybe.

    This forum if designed to provide constructive discussion. All you have done is turn it into a slanging match

    Let’s start by quoting you Tim, your first post on this topic – “Badger, you are obviously a pleb, and have likely (sic) not held a job any higher than low/low-middle management.” 
    What strikes you as obvious here Tim?  Have you heard of the word hypocrite? I think you’ll find there is an online dictionary you can use to look it up, Tim (and I can’t resist this, even though I’m going over old ground), and there is bound to be a section on grammar and punctuation. You can use it for your new, improved website you are working on! (Note the proper use of an exclamation mark).

    MortgagePlus wrote:

    When you are man enough to tell us who you are, maybe you will earn some credibility. Maybe.

    Man enough. Oh come on!!!  Is this your measure of a man, Tim? If it is you must be very small indeed. Are you 5 feet tall, Tim? Maybe, with your Cuban Heels on! 

    MortgagePlus wrote:

    Wake up to yourself kid.

     Is this the bit where you start telling me about a hill of beans, or have you just been watching the movies a bit to much, Tim.  Bit of a dreamer, perhaps?   

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    Bast of luck with growing up and making something of yourself.

     Thanks Tim, and tell your Mum I said hi.

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    MortgagePlus wrote:
    Badger,

    I am not particulary fussed as to your opinion. Everything you have said in relation to the site is correct. Spot on. It is very low rent, and thats exactly the way it was intended (obviously barring the typo).

    The fact of the matter is that I put the site up in about 3 hours from start to finish (and it shows). It was intended purely to fill the space where an ;under construction' page would sit. Nothing more. I do not intend for it to be high traffic and nor will I ever have the site for that reason. I am too busy writing loans and servicing clients all over the country to worry about the opinion of a coward such as yourself.

    You promised a comparison, Badger. Now I've shown you mine……..?

    How about your name? The name of your company, if you even have the initiative to own and run one?

    How about reviewing the list of comments in response to your moronic comment, and the obvious ignorance it was bourne from. Almost everyone responded with the same comment. You are a biased moron.

    So how about providing us with your resume and everyone can see why they should listen to you?

    All you have done be attacking my (happily admitted) cheap and nasty site is the equivalent of punching someone that has their hands in their pockets. Weak.

    Let us know your name, phone number, email, website and other credentials and we can all decide for ourselves?

    Man or mouse?

    Steady-on Tim, you’re getting all feisty on me here. It looks like you have a penchant for dishing it out but not liking what you get back.  

    Tell you what, why don’t you use the free critique of your website I gave, give it another go and let me know when you have finished, and Ill give it another once-over.  It might have been quick and to the point, but there’s a lot of slop as well. Maybe your customers can’t identify the slop because they are the ones who are from a low socia-economic background or just desperate. You wouldn’t be taking advantage of people, would you Tim? You wouldn’t be one of those people I hear about on the TV, you know, the ones that give loans to people who can’t afford them? I hope not.  I can see the headlines now – “The Biggera Waters sub-prime scandal”. Working from His mum’s bedroom, Tim showed no remorse when it was alleged that the 3 loans he sold in the last 5 years were in contravention of APRA’s lending standards

    Anyway, I’d send you my home number and the details you asked for but I don’t want your business partner calling me up and having a go about how I upset you, because your business partner is your Mum, isn’t she Tim?  It’s your mum and she’s gets 50% of your commission each week for rent and board.

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    MortgagePlus wrote:

     Badger, you are obviously a pleb, and have likely not held a job any higher than low/low-middle management.  

     Interesting comments, but perhaps I'll hone in on the one above.  I thought I would achieve this by way of comparison, Tim. I thought it would be a good idea to review your accomplishments in order to put your view point into perspective. How about we do that, eh Tim. 

    I had a look at your site, Tim, and the first thing I noticed was the poor page layout and the poor rendering of graphics within the limited number of pages. Some fit and some do not, Tim.  Do you need a ruler, Tim? I’d send you one, but I’ll tell you a secret, Tim. If you buy the Idiots Guide books they give you tips on how to create simple amateur websites – and (here’s the tip), they show you how to access the ruler in the software, so I wont have to send you my wooden one, Tim. 

    I also notice what looks like amateur photography conveying to the user a cheap looking operation where the budget only extends to the use of low quality images, perhaps taken on your home camera. Was it the camera you got free with the desktop you bought for your business, Tim?  Here’s another tip, you can buy stock pictures for not a lot of money and they make the whole website look less like a school project, Tim.  

    I was very confused with the use of the insect image on the News Link page as well, Tim. Typically images are used to support the message in either an explicit or a metaphoric way. What was the insect saying, Tim?  Is it saying “I’m a bee and I’m busy”, Tim? Are you trying to be smart here, Tim, because it’s lost on me?  

    I also notice that you could do with a bit of help with your copy. Let’s take your first paragraph on your home page, shall we Tim:

      “Welcome to Mortgage Plus- With a long established history in the finance industry, and knowledgable, experienced staff, Mortgage Plus takes great pride in providing so many Australians with the highest levels of service and fantastic value. Our site is packed full of information to help you learn more about which loan is right for you but if you would like a more personal touch, one of our experienced consultants is just a phone call away. Fee free to call us now.” 

    First the punctuation could do with a bit of help and you could also do with someone proofing of the copy – “Fee free” – does this mean there are no charges, Tim, or did you mean feel free, Tim. I’d also ask if you were an American, Tim. This would explain the use of the American spelling of knowledgeable, which is inconsistent with the rest of the site copy. 

    I also like the bit that says “packed full of information”.  If you think this is packed, Tim, then we can be forgiven for thinking you might be prone to exaggeration, Tim.  Aside from the links I counted about 2 pages of copy in total. That’s about 400 words, Tim. Yes, I’d agree it was packed if it was a postage stamp, but it’s not is it Tim? It’s your website which I read from page one to page three in four minutes. That’s four minutes, Tim. Hardly packed. 

    So, in the spirit of making huge assumptions about people’s jobs, Tim, I think I am better qualified to make assumptions about you than you about me, since I have more information. Here are my assumptions:

     

    > You are running your business out of your Mum’s spare room, aren’t you Tim?

    > You have had limited success, but like to paint yourself as some kind of fabulously successful entrepreneur. Am I right, Tim?

    > You like to think you are smart and educated, don’t you Tim.

      However the evidence contradicts this doesn’t it Tim.  It suggests to me an armature operation, limited knowledge and a lack of attention to detail, so why should we value your opinion Tim, why?  Help me here, Tim, as I am as confused as the bee picture. 

    PS – Mr Moderator. This is not slander as I have the right to rebut this fella’s perspectives on me. At the very least this should be left for viewing for the same amount of time Tim’s comments were up for all to see.  What’s good for the goose…..

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