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    why are rates so high in rocky??

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    yes dashing second ton

    all done with a straight bat

    cheers
    (have you noticed a cricketing theme recently??)

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    its a long one

    August 20, 2003

    THE BULLETIN
    THE DEBT OFFENSIVE – MAX WALSH

    The Reserve Bank has belatedly realised that the longer the credit bubble
    continues, the greater will be the potential damage to the economy as a
    whole.

    Do not hold your breath waiting for another interest rate cut. The Reserve
    Bank of Australia is at last becoming seriously worried about the country’s
    credit bubble. Last week’s “Statement on Monetary Policy” was, by central
    bank standards, almost blunt about the risks now posed by our national
    descent into debt.

    The statement came in the wake of Ian Macfarlane’s reappointment as RBA
    governor for a final, limited term. Having decided that he will stick
    around for only another three years, Macfarlane has increased his
    “independence”. The importance of this rather depends on when and in what
    manner the present credit bubble deflates. Unfortunately, it has probably
    reached such proportions that it will pop with considerable adverse fallout
    across the economy.

    The RBA said as much in its statement when it noted: “Historically, credit
    booms have tended to end only after a protracted period of
    higher-than-average interest rates and/or a significant contraction in the
    economy.”

    The RBA calls it a credit boom. I call it a bubble both because of its
    dimensions and the degree of irrationality now associated with its most
    obvious manifestation: the scramble to buy residential investment
    properties. Where I live in Sydney, the “For Lease” signs in apartment
    windows now exceed the “For sale” signs and both are out there in strong
    numbers.

    Rents in some of the more popular areas are down by 25%. Yet investors are
    still buying apartments off the plan. Of course, they are being given
    “guaranteed” rental returns for a limited period. That return no surprise
    has been capitalised into the price.

    The accompanying table illustrates the way in which Australian investors
    are still being seduced by the bubble. Since 1995, credit has grown at an
    annual rate in Australia of 11.1%. In the latest year, the rate has been
    12.7%. But the real driver has been household credit, which has charged
    ahead in the latest year at an annual rate of 19.6%.

    The RBA says simply: “The current pace of household credit growth in
    Australia exceeds any reasonable benchmark by a large margin.” In fact, as
    the table shows, credit has been growing way too fast for eight years now.
    Between 1980 and 1995, household credit in Australia grew, on average, by
    about 3.75 percentage points faster than nominal GDP. Had this differential
    been maintained since 1995, the level of household credit outstanding would
    be almost a third lower than is currently the case.

    While Australia has a faster inflating ­bubble than anyone else, we are not
    alone in the credit bubble business. That raises the prospect of multiple
    hard landings.

    While there is no magic single figure, which tells you how fast credit
    should expand, the RBA suggests that Canada provides a useful benchmark
    because it has a long history of a relatively deregulated financial system
    that has avoided credit excesses and their painful consequences. There,
    credit has grown on average by about 1.5 percentage points faster than
    nominal GDP. None of the countries in the table have had inflation of more
    than 3% on average since 1995. Using the Canadian benchmark, credit growth
    should have averaged 4.5% or less.

    The RBA, in its past observations about the growth of credit in Australia,
    took comfort in the fact that debt, as a proportion of wealth, was not
    increasing. Also, it was reassured by the stable nature of the
    debt-to-household income ratio, despite the rapid growth in credit.

    That was institutional self-delusion on both counts. The increase in
    household wealth has been functionally related to a credit boom that has
    been financed with an interest-rate structure below its long-term average:
    unsustainable affordability.

    Furthermore, wealth in the form of the family home is qualitatively
    different from other forms of asset wealth. It is part of the family
    life-support system. It is notoriously illiquid, especially in weak
    markets. Transaction costs involved are extremely high.

    Housing prices do fall after credit bubbles. Even when they fall
    significantly, the extent of the price collapse is muted by the degree of
    balance-sheet consolidation people are prepared to undertake rather than
    take a heavy loss on their home.

    In the present bubble, the extent of consolidation in household accounts is
    likely to be severe because 40% of the value of all housing loans recently
    has been for investment purposes.

    These are negatively geared properties with deposits often financed by
    shifting equity from the family home. Such investments are structured to be
    financed by a combination of rental income and income from regular
    employment.

    If rental income is not forthcoming or is less than expected, that will
    involve diverting consumption activity towards debt service. With
    consumption spending the main source of national economic growth, such a
    diversion can set in train a cascading downturn in economic activity. That
    is what happened in Finland, Norway, Sweden, Japan and the United Kingdom
    following the popping of asset bubbles at the end of the 1980s. Australia
    itself went into recession, a number of our major financial institutions
    struggled to survive and a couple of state banks effectively went under.

    The institutional risks involved in credit bubbles have, I suspect, been
    underrated by the RBA. The banking system appears to be in pretty good
    condition because the banks have changed the way they do business.

    Credit risk, especially in the form of housing mortgages, is transferred by
    bundling and securitisation. Other credit risks are insured. That does not
    mean risks have been eliminated. In fact, there is a strong suspicion that
    securitisation has encouraged a far less rigorous approach to risk
    assessment.

    Central bankers believe that this spreading of risk across the financial
    system, rather than confining it to the banks, reduces the risk of a call
    for lender of last resort ­facilities to prevent a systemic crisis.

    But one of the consequences of this risk divestment strategy is that the
    authorities do not know where the cost of the collapse of the credit bubble
    will hit. What is self-evident is that the longer the bubble continues, the
    greater will be the potential damage to the economy as a whole. Ideally,
    the RBA should now be edging rates up to reinforce its so-far ineffective
    jawboning.

    However, while there have been some encouraging signs of improvement in the
    external environment, the global recovery is not yet guaranteed. The
    resurgence of bond yields in the US on the basis of modest indications of a
    pick-up in growth has raised concern that the recovery could be nipped in
    the bud.

    With an election due next year, Canberra would be looking for lower, not
    higher, interest rates. Governor Macfarlane’s independence may be put to
    the test.

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    definate1y a tough park – perfect!![:D]

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    hame – very insightful. bit of david suzuki in that

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    lawry – im a commodity trader. sitting at my office on st kilda rd as we speak. just did a deal for grain into malaysia.

    type of job where im always on the computer and phone. most of my work is done between 6 pm and 2 in the morning.

    cheers

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    just noted the architechture.

    a front and back staircase a little extravagant.

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    steve is this the house you rent to that trepize artist couple from ashtons circus?

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    hey trueblue – count yourself lucky.

    cheers

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    westan – secret (i havent read any either)

    good you got a laugh though. im easily bored…

    [:D][:D]

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    hey westan – good to see another tangles fan out there.

    how do you edit?? cant see the edit function!!

    doh – now i see

    cheers

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    no no no no no

    i think i speak for all longer time forumites when i say that please lets put this topic to rest.

    we had only just starting to get over it too[}:)]

    please move on

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    stu – there are a few other jokes about yields and vacancy rates. (i also hope my wife is not watching).

    the forum is a bit negative today so we need a laugh

    [:D]

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    interesting point

    fyg just say i were to find a +ve geared property
    returning 10.4 pct. good deal eh! meets the 11 second rule – ive done my due diligence no bikies next door etc etc.

    is it a good deal however what if that same property returned 30 pct only 12 mos b4.

    either the market ‘was’ underpriced. or the market is ‘now’ overpriced.

    i might be wrong but it hink returns in the country areas have historically been alot more than 10 or 11 pct?? and these high returns would merely represent the premium for the risk of investing in the country areas.

    from what i can tell the risk hasnt really changed but the price and the rent has

    can anyone clarify what historically has been a good rural/country town return???

    or is this a case of how long is a piece of string..

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    Home > National News > Article
    Housing, a US perspective
    By Tim Colebatch
    August 20, 2003

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    Chip Case has seen it all before: the housing boom that went on and on, lifting his and his neighbours’ wealth beyond their wildest dreams, then the bust, which just as capriciously wiped much of it away.

    Now he is seeing it a second time, as his fellow Americans have invested heavily in housing, bidding up home prices to ever higher levels. And, he predicts, this second boom will end in a second bust, causing widespread pain and wealth losses. In the 1980s, Professor Case and his fellow Bostonians saw the boom add $US100 billion ($A150 billion) to their wealth, until the bust left them $US22 billion ($A33 billion) poorer.

    Yet despite that experience, his latest survey of home buyers finds them to be “very optimistic people”: even after seven years of very rapid price growth, they expect even more rapid price growth in the 10 years ahead. Buyers have deluded themselves by looking backwards, and assuming that growth will last forever, he warns.

    Professor Case, with his co-author and business partner Robert Shiller, of Yale – author of the classic study of the dotcom boom, Irrational Exuberance – pioneered an internet data bank of housing prices for all areas of the US.

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    And their surveys show irrational exuberance is driving US home buyers now, as it drove Wall Street investors in the late ’90s, he said in a paper to the Reserve Bank conference.

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    comments??

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    gee dee

    take yr weekly rent / 2 x 1000

    thats how much to pay for a +ve cashflow property
    according to the rule

    eg 200/2 x 1000 = 100,000

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    sorry – i misread – i thought you were renting your spouse

    thats a whole new forum
    [:D]

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    anything from max walker

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    go bombers

    sorry about the w/end gents…

    [:D]

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