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    Hi Clarebear

    Rather than post a long post on Traralgon, please PM me with your telephone number or I can give you mine. Please PM me in any case if you’re interested in discussing investing in Traralgon.

    I used to live in Traralgon and recently served stints there as a Fire Brigade Officer and more recently as the Officer-in-Charge of the Fire Station, so my local knowledge is quite sound.

    Personally, I wouldn’t invest there at the moment because of the market conditions but we can discuss this and your strategies when we talk.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hi Fiona

    Did you have a ‘subject to satisfactory builder’s report’ clause?

    Have you raised the issues with the agent?

    I would pay the dollars and have a solicitor review your situation and advise you. It may save you a lot of money in the long run.

    Good luck.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hi Justinsmum

    I guess that the most concerning part of your post is the word ‘desperate’. There’s no reason to be desperate and I figure that this is merely a figure of speech. It pays to be patient and find the right deal so that you don’t act too hastily and make some decisions that you may regret further down the track.

    The fact that there is very little to describe your full situation, I ask you to ask yourself these questions….

    1. Have you considered consulting a financial adviser to assess your overall financial situation/plan or maybe prepare a plan for you?

    2. Have you approached a lending institution to discuss traditional finance?

    3. Have you explored other options to finance your purchase, as there are many available?

    4. Are there any family members or others who may be able to ‘lend’ you some equity for a stake in your house until you can pay them back or sell?

    These are some of the questions you can ask yourself and perhaps pursue before deciding which way you will eventually go. There’s plenty of time and the worst case scenario is not necessarily your position now (renting) but what an ill-informed decision may lead to down the track.

    Good luck.

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    Martin

    We must be posting these things at exactly the same time because your last one (previous to that now) wasn’t up when I posted mine.

    I am quite surprised that you revealed that you were the one I was referring to in relation to the travelling companion. I was actually offering you an out there by not revealing any identity.

    In relation to the ‘riding on the coat-tails’ comment, these were your words that you used to me during a telephone conversation. I don’t mind ‘exchanging’ ideas but it must be a two-way street and the coat-tails are really a true indication of a one-way street because there was nothing coming forth to the table. Please put yourself in my shoes when someone says that they want to come and ‘ride on your coat-tails’ after you have put in many months of frustration, late nights and massive expense in phone calls only to have someone come along for the ride.

    In relation to the exchange of ideas, prior to heading to the states, I hooked up with a small group of investors who were also heading over, albeit at different times. In our gatherings, we all gladly compared notes and exchanged ideas and I was perhaps a little disappointed that one of these guys was not travelling with me, although circumstances may have prevented it anyway, because we could both take advantage of what each of us brought to the table.

    Finally, I treat my real estate investing as a business. A business that will hopefully eventually allow me to give up working in my employment. With any business, including that I work in, value becomes very important. The value of products, employees and relationships are paramount. If there is no value in a business relationship, there is no incentive to pursue that relationship.

    So this is business and I guess that if you think I am a pr***, I can live with that.

    Because this has now really become a one on one personal thing, I will quite gladly discuss this with you on the phone, if you think it’s worthwhile, or via email but I will no longer place any further posts on this topic.

    Please feel free to have the last word and good luck with your investing.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Martin

    I see that you have edited your last post and omitted some of the content, which is what some of my reply was based on. That’s fine but I will keep mine the same only to say that the word ‘arrogant’ was probably a bit strong and perhaps ‘lack of respect’ is more appropriate.

    Also that paying someone for a service, whether it be buying their books, attending their seminars or using services they provide such as forums I don’t necessarily classify as ‘riding on their coat-tails’ as you are paying them for education, which is their business.

    To answer your question on how I did in the USA, I wrote and posted a journal on this forum for all to read. I can forward this to you if you like.

    I have purchased in the USA after many months of research and concreting the relationships I made whilst I was there. I have a ‘test’ rehab that I bought in October that my project team has just completed, subject to C of O approval, and they have just onsold it on my behalf for a profit of USD$20K. It certainly pays to have a good team on the ground, who are working with me 100%.

    There will be future opportunities for Aussie Investors to purchase some of these post-rehabs or even buy into some of the projects with me but I won’t be ready to progress until next year.

    Once again I am not against buying from Bird-Dogs as the buyers are paying for the Bird-Dog’s time and hard work in finding the deals and their services make the purchasing easy for those who either don’t have the time, knowledge or are just too lazy to do the hard yards. I guess that if there wasn’t a market for Bird-Dogs, there wouldn’t be any and this strategy obviously suits a lot of people.

    In fact if there are Bird-Dogs reading this who want to on-sell some of my future projects in the states, please don’t hesitate to drop me a PM. My team and I are currently looking at a project to purchase multiple single and multi-family houses for rehab but it is still early days yet.

    Anyway, time to finish off my Christmas shopping!!!

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Great reply Martin and it does appear that I have put your nose out of joint.

    This forum is about expressing views and I guess opinions if we so desire, so I don’t necessarily apologise for my previous post. In relation to emailing first, I thought that the purpose of the forum was also to participate in and promote active discussion and free for all for everyone. Again I don’t apologise for expressing my views.

    Congratulations on building your portfolio and the work you have done and for working for your family’s future, I guess that’s essentially why we are all here.

    There are many who are too lazy to do the work needed to find the deals and rely or even sponge off others to get the good info and use their hard work and take their info for free. Considering that Steve and Dave host this site, then I guess in a way they are fair game for these types of questions, but I don’t believe they should be compelled to give away their investment locations nor should they be criticised for the answers, irregardless of how vague they may be. Steve and Dave are investors in their own right, just like all of us.

    I remember when I was planning my USA trip and posted here to seek expressions of interest for a travelling companion. I received many replies but the travel dates did not suit most.

    There was one person who wanted to come along for the ride and shadow me through the process or ‘ride on my coat-tails’ on the trip because they had done very little research on Rochester and had not made any contacts of their own. I had spent four solid months of late nights and numerous phone calls conducting research and establishing contacts in the USA. This person expected me to just give up this information and come along for the ride, benefit from my hard work and basically bring nothing to the table.

    Unfortunately my plans had been two-ing and fro-ing in relation to dates, itineraries and whether or not my partner was able to come with me. In the end I travelled alone and came home early, although the trip was very successful.

    I have worked with many people who take advantage, even taken credit for others hard work and I certainly struggle with the ethics of those people.

    This is the reason why I find that those who ask questions on where a particular individual or group is investing are arrogant and seeking easy answers rather than doing the hard work themselves. If they don’t answer then fine..if their answer is ‘as general as it gets’ then that’s their perogative. If they volunteer the information, as many good people do on this forum, then that’s fantastic.

    Obviously I don’t expect you Martin or many others for that matter to agree with me, considering that you posted the question in the first place, but that is my point of view.

    I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hi Martin

    I see from the threads that you seem to have purchased in the States, well done.

    At the risk of sounding negative and perhaps putting your nose out of joint, it is a no-brainer to buy and pay retail for turn-key properties from someone who has done the hard work before you and in turn profits from your lack of research or effort. I am not saying there is anything wrong with it, just that it is an easy option, although for those who are money rich and time poor this is probably a good option.

    It is also a no-brainer to directly ask an investor where they are investing in order to take the easy option to find out where the good deals and hot areas are. It is perhaps a little arrogant as well. People will volunteer this info if they want to, not because someone directly asks and then has the nerve to say that they didn’t reveal enough.

    If you want the good deals, go out and find them for yourself rather than just ‘ride along on the coat-tails’ of people who have done the hard yards, otherwise the option is still there to pay full retail and then some for very little effort.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Mabbott

    Great thread with interesting replies.

    Magellan, I hope you don’t go into marriage counselling!!! lmao

    I think that this is a very important topic. My partner is very much on the conservative side wheras I work in a very high risk occupation and have recently been investing in quite high risk investments in NZ and USA.

    I have made the commitment that I will not leave my occupation until such time that my investing activities will replace my income. With my recent investments in the US, that day is getting closer and closer. I just need to stop getting payrises as the target keeps getting further away!!!

    She has little or no interest in investing but allows me to to go about my business as required and sometimes comes along for the ride, although she stayed at home when I went to the States.

    I don’t know your fiancee or her personality, but from what you are saying, the wedding is very important to her, as I guess it is traditionally the bride’s day. Perhaps after the wedding her focus will alter and she may then support your investing activities.

    I guess that communication is the key. I hope it all works out for you.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hi katfrat

    I am selling my laptop if you are interested. It’s only 6 months old and will become surplus when I start my new posting at work.

    PM me if you are interested.

    Have a great trip and festive season.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    hello all

    I haven’t been on for a while and really love the look of the updated site, although I haven’t had the chance to test it’s functionality.

    I believe that this topic may be right up my alley, given that I am a fire manager in the state of Victoria and dabble a bit in investing.

    Although the last post was some time ago and I may be a little too far into the season, here is the low-down on the predictions for this fire season.

    The Bureau of Meteorology has predicted temperatures to be several degrees hotter than average this summer. The early hot weather we’ve been having is probably a good sign of things to come.

    Spring rains and the recent burst of sunshine in Victoria has amounted to abundant grass growth in many areas, including the Otway Ranges, the Dandenongs and areas of the Mornington Peninsula.

    Although the bush can and will burn most of the year, fuel loads are quite high and with the abundant grass will run the risk of uncontrollable fire running in or out of the bush.

    As a fire and emergency service organisation, we are prediction above average fire activity this year throughout Victoria.

    What it means for investors, and I can only comment in Victoria, is enforce your right to do a property inspection. Check for growth, rubbish and flammable/combustible materials stored adjacent to the house and the gutters, which surprisingly burn more houses down in a bushfire than the actual fire itself.

    As far as who pays for it, does it really matter? The tenant must keep the property as per the tenancy agreement but there is nothing stopping you from doing the work, if you find that convenient, once giving enough notice.

    The flip side is to do nothing and not only risk losing your property, but possibly suffer the stigma of having a person or people perish in an unprepared house, knowing you were in a position to do something.

    Brochures are available by ringing the Victorian Bushfire Inquiry Line on 1800 240 667.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Thank you everyone for the positive comments, both to those who posted on the forum and by email. It took some time to type, especially for a two-finger typist, so I’m glad the effort was worthwhile.

    Richo, I am not in the mentor progam. Although I support the concept for those who want that guidance and education, I agree 100% with kiwiduvet’s comments.

    I can also relate to kiwiduvet’s comments when I lost some 25 Kg’s a few years ago. The most common question people asked (besides “are you suffering from an incurable illness?”), was “What’s your secret?”. There’s no big secret with losing weight. If you burn more energy than you take in with your food, then you WILL lose weight. There are many ways to achieve this, but the basic formula for losing weight is the same each time.

    Just like investing in Real Estate, if you bring in more money than you pay out, you WILL make money. There are many methods and strategies to achieve this, just like losing weight, but the so called ‘secret’ is really not rocket science, as kiwiduvet says.

    My belief is that by setting a goal that is a burning desire, then the answers (and money) will come. Also like riding a bike, if you fall and perhaps get a little hurt, which is inevitable at some stage, get straight back on and keep riding. Don’t let it get in the way of achieving your goals and dreams.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Thanks for all of the emails and the couple of replies on the forum. Below is a copy of my journal, I guess now by popular demand. For those who emailed me, I will email you a copy in pdf format.

    My USA Adventure by Peter Lockwood (aka Giraffe)

    Hello all

    You may have read my previous post titled USA Adventure. In that post I mentioned that I would keep those who emailed me, up to date on how the trip went. Well, it has been about four weeks since my return and I have been working flat-out ever since to get this USA thing to happen.

    I have made numerous telephone calls and looked at many properties, both on the internet and whilst in Rochester. I have made many new friends and contacts from my visit. In fact, I am so happy about how things went, I would love to share my story with all of you, not just those who emailed and PM’d me.

    Whilst I have not completely purchased a property as yet, I am in the process of finalizing the first. My main focus up until now has been to get a reliable team together in the US, before taking the plunge. I believe that I have now achieved this.

    Anyway, now is a good time to grab a cuppa and settle in for a run-down of my USA Adventure. Here’s how it all unfolded…..

    After getting on the plane on the Monday morning, I arrived at Rochester New York on the Monday evening, only to be the last one standing at an empty baggage carousel. I had last seen my bag in San Francisco, so somewhere between there, Chicago and Rochester were all of my clothes and bits and pieces. Off to a great start huh, not to mention the fact that I had been awake for over 30 hours, so the patience was really put to the test.

    Anyway, two hours later I got a message from the hotel receptionist to say my luggage had been delivered by the airline, so it was time to get some shuteye as my first appointment was at 10am.

    My first appointment was with a Real Estate agent that I had been in contact with for a couple of months prior to heading off. He was a gentleman that used to work at Kodak, then started his own Real Estate firm about twenty something years ago. I really liked his warm and friendly nature, which not fake. He left a note in an envelope at reception at the hotel for when I arrived, welcoming me to Rochester. He was looking forward to meeting with me and to show off his assistants, who were absolutely gorgeous. One of them was away for the weekend at a wedding and was late for work. She arrived when I was there and he interrupted our meeting to go and say hello and give her a big hug, probably illegal in Australia these days!!!!

    We sat and discussed the issues of foreign national investing and some of the complexities we Aussie Investors face. He drew up a map indicating areas to avoid and excellent investment areas. We nutted out a bit of a strategy and came up with some properties that fitted my profile, in pretty good areas. I then took the list of properties to go for a drive-by (by taxi), to get an idea of which houses I would like to inspect, more so to get a feel for the neighbourhoods and tenants.

    I went from the Real Estate office and pondered where I should go first. I decided to grab a cab and have a look at the CBD and surrounding areas. Without much knowledge of the area, I decided to pursue some independent local knowledge. Where’s the best place to go for local knowledge? Where else but to a place where people work in the community, so I called into the City of Rochester Fire Department.

    Those reading my previous posts will be aware that my job is with a Fire Service in Victoria. The Fire Services around the world are just like a big family (brothers and sisters) and these brothers (there were no women on duty) made me feel most welcome. But what unfolded during the afternoon took me by complete surprise.

    When I pushed the bell at the front door, a man in a white uniform greeted me. In a gruff voice he said yes, can I help you? I said that I was over from Oz looking to buy some real estate and was wondering if the guys could give an idea of the local areas, good areas bad areas etc. I then told him I was from the Fire Brigade in Oz and with that his face lit up and he invited me in for a cuppa. This guy was the Deputy Chief of the Rochester Fire Department and he was answering the door because the guys were out training.

    We got talking about the fire brigade and comparing notes, coming to the conclusion that both of our services operated very similarly and our call statistics were very similar. He then insisted I go and look at the 911 centre, where all of the calls for police, EMS, fire and other emergency services were received and dispatched. Before we got there, he took me for a guided tour of the CBD and inner suburbs, explaining where the problem areas were and where the city was spending most of the millions of dollars to revitalize Rochester. I guess if there was a high crime area, especially where people were burning houses down, he should know about it!!!!

    After showing me around the 911 centre, we finished the rest of our downtown tour and headed back to the station. The rescue company crew were back from training and we sat down and ‘chewed the fat’ for while. What surprised me was that there was not a great deal spoken about the fire services, it was mainly about real estate investing. I think it may have something to do with the fact that I had flown half way around the world to look at buying their houses. They kept looking at me and saying ‘your crazy man’.

    It probably also had something to do with the fact that these guys were into investment properties and/or the building game themselves. Many of them ran or were partners in businesses on their days off and most had investment properties. To give you an idea, between the crews that were on day shift and those I met coming in early for night shift, there was an electrician, plumber and builder. There was also a guy who ran a building inspection and radon testing business. But to take the cake, one of the on-shift fire investigators was a licensed realtor. He gave me his fire brigade card and then gave me his realtor card. I caught up with him the next day.

    It was reassuring that I had established these contacts, because firies look after firies, regardless of where they are from. They offered their assistance if I needed it during my stay and also confirmed the areas on the map my real estate agent drew up for me. The value of this visit was excellent.

    Now I don’t expect that anyone can go up to a fire station and get the same treatment or information but I reckon a good place to visit in any new area is the local police station. If you tell them what you are doing and seek their advice on bad areas in particular, I’m sure they will tell you because they are out amongst the community on a daily basis.

    Not long after I got back to my room, the phone rang. It was my real estate agent asking how I went in the afternoon and if I needed any assistance with anything. We had a quick chat and he then offered some suggestions on where the best places were to have a meal. What I really liked about this guy was that he was genuine and at no time did he try to sell me.

    The next morning my fire investigator/realtor friend picked me up from my hotel and we went to his office. I showed him my map and he once again confirmed the details on the map in relation to the areas to look at and the areas to avoid. He rang a few finance brokers of his and got the general story about financing foreign nationals. He then searched his database for suitable properties and printed them out for me. I didn’t purchase any houses from him, but I will be glad to pass his details on.

    In the afternoon I went and met a property manager that I had been in contact with for some time. He runs his own guttering and property maintenance business to compliment his property management company and owns many houses, about 70 I think. We had a good chat and he certainly runs a very tight business.

    He explained to me his process and business system and went on to explain that he was selling a lot of his inventory to investors, because he just got married and wants to buy a big house to live in. He even offered vendor finance to me if I wanted it, at 20-30% down, depending on terms. He is selling 20-30 houses to pay for his new nest. I didn’t take him up on his offer for a number of reasons, however if anyone wants his details I’ll be glad to pass them on.

    That wrapped up another great day, but apart from finding an excellent Real Estate agent, my quest to find a ‘Dream Team’ still had a long way to go.

    The next day I had two more appointments, one with an attorney and the other with a finance broker. I saw the attorney in the morning and really all he did was repeat what he told me over the phone. He didn’t charge me for the privilege and it was nice to meet him face-to-face. He is my real estate agent’s own attorney and legal advisor on property and has been for many years. I am now his client and will be putting all of my New York State transactions through him.

    I met with my finance broker in the afternoon. When I arrived, he was busy on the phone making and receiving calls, still trying to get me finance. He can get me finance for commercial property (5+ apartments and shops etc) under an LLC but residential finance was still a drama, especially for the lower amounts.

    We got talking and he told me about several rehab projects he and his partner were doing in various areas of Rochester. He showed me one of the houses and I was amazed at how thorough the builders and project managers were with their rehabs. The house I looked through was a three-family and the builders had redone the roof, porch, all new furnaces, appliances, carpet, paint, kitchens, bathroom, a lot of the plumbing and electrical. The house was literally stripped, except for the walls, and rebuilt.

    These guys sell the houses as what they call ‘Turnkey Houses’, meaning that they sell them as a ‘hamburger with the lot’. You get the rehabbed house with a Certificate of Occupancy, clear title, tenant, property manager and if you live in the US and qualify, 100% finance. I said to the finance broker, ‘if you can give me 100% finance, I’ll buy as many of these beauties as I can’. He tried his hardest, but of course the same ‘ol same ‘ol occurred with the finance. So for Aussies, we get the hamburger without the egg. We still get fries however, because the returns are still around the 20-30-ish percent and some even higher. Not a bad return for a totally refurbished house.

    Since returning from the US, I have been in constant contact with these guys and I am now going through the process of my first purchase with them. I will, however, be receiving many future rehabbed housing deals via email and telephone, so if you’re interested, send me an email on [email protected] . If I can crack the 100% finance code for Aussies, I may buy them all myself, but at the moment that isn’t an option.

    By the way, I am not a bird-dogger so there is no bird-dog fee for forwarding the property info to you, even if you purchase. My only request is that you only send through your information if you are absolutely serious about investing in the US. I am conscious of these guys getting bombarded with enquiries from people with little or no intention to buy, so whilst I have no hesitation in sending the information out, I will only refer people to my team who are fair dinkum. It is important that these guys use their time to find great deals for the serious buyers. I don’t want to mess up such a good thing.

    Anyway, I headed back to the hotel and had a relaxing afternoon. Hurricane Katrina had continuous coverage and was leading the headlines, so I watched CNN and fell asleep…..I was absolutely Bushed (sorry).

    So the next day (Friday), I reevaluated where I was at. I now had a great Real Estate agent, an alternative source of houses, a property manager through my finance broker, a very knowledgeable attorney and an insurance broker (also through my finance broker). All I needed now was some finance. I know of brokers in Australia who can arrange USA finance, not 100% unfortunately, so I wasn’t that concerned about not finding anyone in the US.

    So I decided that it was time for phase 2 of the trip. Whilst I was in the USA at this time, I wanted to visit Ground Zero in NYC on September 11. Satisfied with my progress in Rochester, I boarded the train (sick of flying already), for a very peaceful, scenic and relaxing journey to NYC.

    The memorial service at Ground Zero was very sad and moving and not only gave me a real appreciation of what the firies, police and workers in the World Trade Centre went through, but more so the amount of pain and suffering still felt by those who lost loved ones and colleagues. People still find it extremely difficult to talk about the events.

    The rest of the trip involved the touristy things we do, so I won’t bore you with the detail that is if you are not bored already!!!!

    For those heading over, here are some of the logistical decisions I made:

    Accommodation: Diplomat (Best Western) Lyell Ave Rochester. Comfortable, USD $55 + taxes, including comp. breakfast (with omlette).

    Travel: Taxi, when not getting a lift by my new team and the Deputy Chief.
    Intercity: If you are not driving, I recommend the AmTrak rail service. It cost me about $80 to travel from Rochester to New York City, comfy seats, on-board café and powerpoint for laptop.

    Communications: I just settled for International roaming on my mobile.

    Structure: LLC

    Bank: HSBC Bank USA

    A couple of lighter moments;

    The hotel I stayed at use swipe cards for the room entry. On the night I arrived, I left my card in the room, so I went to reception and asked for another card. The guy at the desk said ‘yeah, that will be $10’. I said ‘pardon’? ‘That will be $10’, he said. I said, ‘mate I only need to borrow it for a couple of minutes and I’ll be right back’. He gave me a funny look and as I only wanted to go to bed and the fact that my luggage was lost I said, ‘fine, I’ll pay the $10 and sort it out in the morning’. The attendant said, ‘I’ll see you at your room shortly.

    So when I got back to the room, I noticed the door was ajar and I didn’t need the card after all. Next moment I heard what sounded like a trolley coming up the hallway. There was the attendant pushing a fold-up bed on wheels. I said, ‘mate, I don’t need the card because the door was ajar and I was able to get inside’. He gave me another funny look. I said, ‘it’s OK, I don’t need the card anymore’, and showed him my card. He then peed himself laughing and said, ‘oh you mean carrrrrd, I thought you said caaaaat (cot)’. He apologized and said he would credit the $10 back to my room.

    On another occasion I went into a restaurant for lunch. The waitress asked for my name for the order. I said, ‘Peter’. She said, ‘I beg your parrrrrdon’. I said, ‘Peter’. She said’ I’m sorry, I didn’t get that’. I said ‘Peter, here I’ll spell it….P-E-T-E-R.’ She said, ‘Oh Peeetrrrrrrr, I’m sorry’.

    Anyway, I hope you had as much fun reading this as I had in writing it. It really was an adventure in more ways than one and I had a great time to boot.

    Don’t forget, if you want me to forward the details of the turnkey properties and my team to you and you are absolutely serious about purchasing in the USA, please feel free to email me at [email protected]

    Thank you for taking an interest.

    Peter (Giraffe)

    Post Script:

    I spoke to my broker friend and his business partner for over an hour yesterday morning on various topics. He has been actively pursuing finance for we Aussies and I guess Kiwis, for those on this forum. Below is an extract from an email I received this morning. It looks as though the egg may be possible after all!!! I’ll include updates on this with the email distribution of the turnkey properties lists.

    “Peter,

    I think we made some progress on the financing issue. This afternoon I met with a mortgage broker that says he has funded loans for investors from Britain. He claims that funding loans for investors from Australia and New Zealand won’t be a problem. I asked him to put together the pertinent info (rates, amount of down payments, min loan size, etc). After we get the details we can review them and possibly conduct a test run to ensure the process works. This sounds like great news for us, but I will take a wait and see attitude until he can supply some paperwork and specifics.

    I also met with our property manager today. We discussed the unique concerns that Aussie investors have. He is putting together a package containing his management contract, lease and testimonials.”

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hello from Rochester NY

    Firstly, an apology to those who emailed me interested in progress reports. I have just been too busy on the ground to be able to commit time to writing an update that would be of any use.

    Due to the fact that there are a number of people interested in the US and many will be travelling here in the next couple of months, there is a lot happening due to the effects of Hurricane Katrina that you may wish to consider when deciding where to go.

    About 160 families are relocating from New Orleans to Rochester and similar into other areas of New York State, including Buffalo and as far away as California. This will be sure to have an effect on both the owner/occupier and rental markets, as many of these families will be enrolling their children in new schools for the beginning of the term (next week I think). I’m sure that many will settle in their new locations permanently, as it will be some time before Louisiana, especially New Orleans, will be back to their former glory.

    Other areas have been overwhelmed by the impact of Katrina, including areas of Texas, especially Houston. Some cities in Louisiana are currently attempting to house double their regular populations, placing huge demands on infrastructure, services and rental accommodation. I would suspect that further families will relocate for this reason.

    I received an email explaining that many areas are now experiencing high rental demand as a result of Katrina. Whilst this may be true, many people didn’t only lose their homes but I would say the majority also lost their livelihood. Rental affordability by these refugees will possibly play some part in the market and how will this affect the US economy, as big as it is, if they need to or are able to subsidise, considering the overall and ongoing cost of their worst natural disaster in history?

    Whilst this may or may not affect where, how or why you may wish to invest in the USA, I believe that those considering the trip should factor the above into their decision making and research, as some areas, apart from those directly effected by Katrina are in complete turmoil, especially in the short term and I guess the long term effects will become evident as time goes on.

    All the best…Giraffe

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    Hi Coreyjay

    Thanks for providing such an interesting post, I’m sure it will be very popular.

    If you are a regular poster on this forum, and/or subscribe to Steve McKnight’s newsletter, you will find that Steve is contemplating a similar style of program. In his last communication, Steve mentioned that he had not finalised any pricing structure, but a figure he was throwing around was $5.50 or a cup of coffee a day. This equates to around two grand a year.

    I don’t really know anything about Steve’s program or it’s delivery medium, only that it will be a combination of electronic based (email/internet etc) and face to face or telephone. I will stand corrected however, if I am not right as at this stage it appears only to be at the market research or development stage.

    In relation to whether you get value for your money, I guess it is a bit like investing in real estate, due diligence conducted prior to signing with anyone will allow you to determine what you get for your dollar, regardless of what the actual price is.

    Some of the research I would be doing is:

    How many other subjects will be in the program? Let’s face it, if there are a large number of participants for the want of raking in the cash, how ‘personal’ will the service be? In know that Dolf De Roos has a program called ‘Property Prosperity’ which is conducted via pre-recorded video streaming. There will be a topic for the week then Dolf will answer questions sent by email by participants. I actually had one of my questions answered (about four weeks after I sent it), although it was read probably for the entertainment value of the question rather than the any useful information. The big problem was that it was hardly a mentoring program because there was no personal contact with the ‘mentor’ and I’m sure that there was no restrcition on the number of participants.

    Another question would be is whether the mentor will be warm and fuzzy in order to keep to me on as a client and telling me things I want to hear or will he/she tell it to me as they actually see it. I was fortunate enough to participate in Dave and Steve’s Kiwi Adventure in February this year. Whilst I am not endorsing any of their products or programs, I can tell you from experience that these guys are straight shooters and don’t beat around the bush. If you can’t take criticism, although very constructive, then you should perhaps grow a few extra layers of skin before signing up. They may be hard (as it may seem to some) but they are brutally honest, which is what I would expect from this type of service. I don’t know anything about your guy in Brisbane, but this would be one very important question I would ask. I would also seek references from some of his clients and contact them to ask them of their experiences.

    Another question would be what happens after one year? Is it an automatic renewal? If so, how many new clients will be taken on for the next year? This comes back to the earlier point, how many clients/students/subjects will be on the go at any one time? Will I just be a number or actually a name and face? Is there a cap of total active participants?

    What guarantees or performance indicators are on offer? No-one can guarantee personal success, but what business guarantees are there? Things like, if I make an enquiry, when will I receive a response? How much personal face-to-face or phone time does the mentor guarantee each student per day/week/year?

    Finally I guess there is the question of credibility. Has the mentor actually walked the walk or just talking the talk? It’s a bit like receiving property investment advice from an accountant who does not invest in property or listening to a football commentator give their ‘expert’ opinions when they have not pulled on a pair of footy boots since school sports day.

    I guess the most important aspect will be whether the mentor teaches his/her subject to learn from his/her experiences, both good and bad, to allow them to become independant by making their own decisions rather than making decisions for them. I reckon it is all about self-transformation, challenging one’s beliefs, aiming for personal growth and blowing comfort zones out of the water. If they don’t do this then chances are the subject will become reliant on them and once the program ceases for whatever reason, they go back to square one. A philosophy I use is, education acquires skills, application of the skills builds experience and the more experience (especially bad) promotes wisdom.

    In relation to what to pay, well I guess that it all comes down to value for money and what you think is a fair price or should I say investment. Let’s face it, if it costs 2 grand or 3 grand, if the mentor is any good, the fee should pale into insignificance because the fee will be recouped many times over.

    Good luck!!!!

    Best wishes

    Giraffe

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    Cheers guys

    Your comments, honesty and enthusiasm are certainly appreciated.

    Thank you.

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    Muppet and Westan,

    Thanks so much for your constructive replies. These are certainly more appreciated than the ‘jokes’ that seemed to humour those on the program or the program itself.

    You guys certainly have a lot to offer those on this forum, as you are in the perfect position to pass on your experiences of investing in NZ and answer the many and varied questions the participants will have.

    There’s plenty of work in research ahead and I’m sure all participants will appreciate any support you may be so willing to provide.

    Cheers…Peter

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    I wonder if these new NZ investors realise that they will be “ripe for the picking” when they all want to come and buy lots of houses in Tokoroa.

    There appears to be some perception that this is a ‘Tokoroa’ Adventure and not a ‘Kiwi’ Adventure.

    Less than 10 of the 25 investors from the previous adventure actually went to Tokoroa and many didn’t buy. The investors went all over the North and South Islands with some great results in many varying locations.

    Lots of houses are being readied for the next foray into Tokoroa.
    just out of interest do you still own in Tokoroa ? Or are you going to buy this week like Muppet (joke). I don’t have any spare cash.
    are you buying this week knowing that you can ofload them in the very near future ?

    Westan and Muppet, if you are so cocky confident that the prices will inflate in Tokoroa when we come to town and that you are sitting on some houses you wish to unload or purchase to quickly turn-over for inflated prices, why on earth are you putting off the very market that you think will buy those houses, in a forum that has been established by those people????

    I have real fears for these Kiwi Adventure 2 buyers, and I realise that I may not be popular with some on this forum because I write this, but my conscience comes before popularity.

    Del, we’ll try extra hard not to give you any ulcers.

    People may not like or agree with the program for what ever reason and that’s fine. In fact the cynicism of some on this forum is duly noted and only inspires me to achieve more on this, my second trip. Thanks for the motivation.

    Cheers…Peter

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    Hi all

    I hope everyone had a great weekend.

    Andrew, thanks for your post. You didn’t offend me and I actually read my post many times over before sending it, in an attempt not to offend you or anyone else. However I thought it was important to get my message across, so I was prepared to take that risk.

    I look forward to catching up soon and we can chat some more over a coffee or beer, rather than the internet.

    I hope everyone’s research is coming along well and that you have set your goals for the big trip.

    Cheers…Peter

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    Hi all

    Thanks for your company tonight guys and it was really great meeting and talking with you.

    A lot of what was discussed and the answers I gave were based on my experiences and general observations only and I’d hate for anyone to take it as advice or gospel. I am certainly no expert on investing in NZ or anywhere for that matter!!!! It is up to each individual to set their own goals and strategies and to conduct their own research.

    Some “gems” and opinions that came out of the conversation

    At the risk of putting people’s noses out of joint, I’d like to say that I do prefer to give freely of my experiences and especially my opinions to an audience of my choosing as they are only mine to give. I am not so naive to think that it will only stay within that audience either. I certainly understand that your post Andrew was posted with the best of intentions, however, I did not intend for our discussions and opinions to be displayed to this forum. This is totally my mistake as I should have pointed this out.

    Whilst I don’t necessarily believe that there is any misrepresentation in the post, I do believe that those reading it may get the wrong idea as there was more to the conversations than the brief descriptions contained therein.

    Some of the items in the wrap-up probably need some further clarification if they are out in the general forum population as I don’t think they fully reflect the generalised discussions that took place.

    – deals are everywhere so it doesn’t matter too much where you decide to look.

    Setting goals and determining strategies for those goals, then researching areas will determine the best locations for you to source your deals. Different opportunities may present themselves in the area you are working and it is important to be able to recognise them first, then consider them. Expect the unexpected.

    – finance requires lots of attention. It is hard to get banks to provide finance to Australians. There are brokers in Australia that can provide low doc loans on NZ property. Set up your finance before you go.

    This once again was based only on my experience. Like anything, research your financing options. Take into account shorter settlements and exchange rates. Make use of the pre-adventure information you have been sent via email. My circumstances are probably completely different to those of you and my strategy for the deal I did on the last adventure will possibly be different also. I had no problem in getting finance in NZ, only it wasn’t the amount I was initially seeking due to my circumstances and as it turned out would have been too restrictive to suit my strategy.

    – in towns like Tokaroa about 50% of properties are rental properties.

    The figures mentioned were very general to highlight the high rental percentage in Tokoroa. The % of rentals in any area should be part of your research into those areas.

    – look for the deals – the money/finance will follow. If it doesn’t then the deal lapses and you haven’t lost anything (or not much)

    “Money follows good management”. The better the deal and your ability to manage it, the better the chances of getting finance. If the figures stack up and you can pull it off, the less that money becomes a problem. There will be a section on ‘ouster clauses’ at the seminar to assist. This is also covered on the ‘Kiwi Insight’ CD.

    – for a bigger deal you can bargin on buying a whole portfolio from a vendor.

    Very general. There was a portfolio for sale on the last trip that the vendor was asking top dollar. My view is that it is more about the vendor than the actual properties themselves. You can pick up bargains for single houses also, depending once again on the vendor.

    – there are plusses and minusses for teaming up with other KAers in your search. Plus is networking, minus is competition.

    Networking and friendships are certainly big pluses and main reason for me going again on KA2. I don’t think the perceived negatives were discussed this way and I certainly hope that it wasn’t interpreted in that way. There are more than enough deals for all who participate on KA2. This was proven on the last trip. I even gave the example of four of us sharing the same motel suite (separate beds of course). Certainly there is the possibility of placing offers on the same properties but the networking factor will identify this and common sense will prevail to prevent a bidding war. I don’t think any of us on the last trip actually bidded against each other and many worked in teams and did extremely well. There can be agreements reached etc to ensure everyone is happy.

    There was also the myth that everyone on the last trip raced down to Tokoroa on the Monday morning to buy some cheap houses, as posted in other threads on this site. What a load of bull as I think that well less than half went there and the group was spread right across the North and South Islands for the week.

    – set your goals before you go.

    Definitely a must. You will be held accountable.

    – don’t be limited in your thinking – don’t be limited by finance.

    Definitely again. Look outside the square and you’ll be surprised what you’ll find.

    Thanks again guys for the meeting and I hope to meet you at the next one Millsy.

    Cheers…Peter

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    Cheers Gramyre…Peter

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