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    donnacox wrote:
    Hi all,
    As Steve Mcknight suggests there are a lot of things to consider when you are on the otherside of the world….especially the point about quality of the management, this is a major concern to watch out for and I can only relate to Upstate NY as this is where I purchased my properties (and Richard take your point well done if it's worth $2m now – you have owned this for 25 years and you probably have a Social Security Number which means you are classed as a resident of the US) its different if you are doing this as non-resident starting out now.
    Property managers are really a nightmare when it comes to communication ….I do know this as I had went through 5 within just 3 years.

    It is very difficult to borrow as a "foreign alien" which is the term they use for non US resident ….Im' not saying it can't be done but it's even now extremely difficult for US residents borrowing ….I have just vendor financed one of my properties to a US resident because he could not get a loan because of the sub-prime lending disaster.
    Property laws are very different to Australian laws and litigation is very high over there so you do need to set up a good structure for asset protection ….it's all in my eBook if you need to know more.

    As I suggested previously my eBook is a great read if you are thinking about investing in the US Property Market, and as Richard Taylore suggested personal email access is an "absolute bargin" especially when you have someone that has done this as a "foreign alien" and knows the real facts! 

    Best of Luck
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    Hi Donna

    I think Richard was being a tad sarcastic about the personal email bargain!!!

    I have been investing in WNY for over three years and have made some good money, although at times it's been very tough.  I'm currently cashing out however, with two duplexes left, (one on contract).

    Like Richard, you can have FREE personal email with me if you have any questions and I will answer them based on my experience only.  Just send me a PM and I'll gladly pass on my experiences, good and bad.

    Cheers

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    Keith

    I’m more than happy to give you the details of the agency that I am currently using to prepare a couple of duplexes for sale, also managing the properties, as well as some other recommendations from people I have used.

    The previous company I was dealing with has gone out of property management and these guys now manage the portfolio. They seem the real deal.

    PM me your email and/or phone number and I will give you their details and provide some feedback on their service, together with some USA investing tips.

    For banking, I just opened a USA HSBC account at my local branch here in Aus. There are some restrictions for use, however, for the first 6 mths.

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    As the topic of the thread says, it’s a question of ethics. It’s not about the other party, it’s about you. My word is my word, regardless of who it is and what the paperwork says. If the paperwork is wrong and I know but do nothing, I have gone against my word.

    Those that do otherwise and end up with a windfall are hardly investors but greedy thieves.

    Reverse the situation and see how content they would be. The term ‘squealing like a pig’ comes to mind.

    These may be strong words but I feel strongly about ethics.

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    Which area?  I have done very well in Rochester NY.

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    I think that the term ethical and 'agreement' are what matters.  If you knowingly stick to the contract price but agreed otherwise, it is an ethical decision that only you can make.  Different people have different ethics, where do yours sit? 

    My view, agreement is agreement regardless and the paperwork is merely a means to record the agreement and bind it by law.  If you don't pipe up and come clean you are going against the agreement which questions your integrity and honesty as a dealmaker.  If you can live with that then keep the money.

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    Macocam,

    Finding good property managers is the first challenge and depending where where you buy, finding good tenants may also.

    I have been blessed with two excellent property managers and problems have been minimal, however remote investing from the other side of the world can also be a challenge.

    The results are there if you do your homework and groundwork but it's always good to compare with what you can do here.

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    Great to hear from you guys. I hope all goes well.

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    Amsjerm

    I have a small studio in Traralgon Victoria that I use for when I'm staying there for work.  Whilst staying, I am doing some work to it, ie carpet (done), vinyl (done), tiles (kitchen and bathroom), replacing timber panelling with plaster and painting and perhaps some cosmetic work on the kitchen (doors and benches).

    I really only bought it for me but will be selling up before I leave this posting.  It will be worth about $75-79K when I'm done.  Expected rent is $85-90 pw (should rise with Body Corp increase this year).  I may even rent back for a period so I can just walk out when I'm done, which I expect to be in early to mid '09.  Body Corp is $500 pa and rates $250 pa (from memory).  It's not the prettiest part of town but it serves it's purpose for what I need.

    Traralgon is the largest township in Gippsland Victoria, with approx 27,000 people.  The main industries include power production (55% of Victoria's base-load electricity supply), coal mining, forestry and plantations, one of Australia's largest pulp paper mills also.  The state Government also announced a $1 Billion investment into the power industry for a new plant at Loy Yang, just out of Traralgon, extra mining licences and a coal to diesel plant.

    The Victorian Government also announced the route of the new Traralgon by-pass, that will restrict land release in the area and create a shortage of available land, that should push prices up quite substantially.

    I also have a couple of USA properties, if you are that way inclined.  I have just taken over the titles of two properties that I held the first mortgage over.  The owners surrendered the properties in lieu of foreclosure.  They are both duplexes in Rochester NY, just rehabbed (I need to spend about $4K due to a couple of code violations since new laws were introduced), fetching and potentially fetching $425 per month each unit (times four is around $1,700/mth ($20,400 pa)).  I only took over last week, so I still need to calculate the taxes and where they are with pro-rata payments.  They also have clean titles to keep the liens at bay.  The comparison properties put their value at around $60K each (USD), which I will be putting them on the MLS (multi-listing service) for.  I will discount considerably for a quick sale, so I can return the funds to Australia.

    If you are only starting out however, I suggest you steer clear of the US market, especially at the moment.

    Anyway, above are a couple of 'real' examples of what's out there.  If you can raise the funds, some inner Melbourne suburbs are going nuts at the moment!!!

    Cheers…Peter

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    Hi Andy

    I may be of some assistance if you are looking at the Latrobe Valley.  I am the Officer in Charge of one of the Fire Stations and know the area quite intimately, not only from an investing perspective but also through extensive networks with key players due to my role within the community.  I can give you a lot of valuable information on the Valley (without disclosing priveledged nor commercial-in-confidence information), that will assist you in deciding whether the Valley is for you.

    Although most of my investments are in the USA, I have recently purchased in the Valley (with a hassle-free settlement two weeks ago) and I'm quite happy to refer you to the REAs, mortgage broker and legal firm I used.  They are all nice local country people and are extremely helpful.

    There is a cost involved however – a cappuccino and chat at my favourite cafe.

    If you're interested, send me an email at [email protected] and I'll send you my mobile number.

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    I am at a loss and worst thing I trust NOBODY!

    Mate, if you can't trust a firey, then who can you trust!!!

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    Hi Jase and Flic

    I really enjoyed reading your post.  Congratulations on your work.  I would love to come up and have alook at your progress in person one day if that's OK. I live about 10 mins away.

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    Hi Niki

    In 10 years time, how often will you be using the crash pad? Even just keeping it once it has been paid for may be expensive. Expenses such as insurance, body corporate fees, rates etc may make the strategy unfeasible. It may be cheaper to just stop over in a motel.

    Another option may be to purchase one or two IPs in a different area and sell up when you head Nth then buy your crash pad.

    This will need some more research I feel, as I personally wouldn’t use such a strategy unless I was planning to use the crash pad at least half of the year, even then I would consider renting and all other options.

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    to inconveniencing us

    Sorry, should read “to avoid inconveniencing us” but probably should read “to avoid an inconvenience to us”. My grammar is not the bestest.

    All the best…aussie

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    Hi ttman,

    Also I think it may be better not to automatically add the advertising after each new topic.

    I trust that you don’t like television commercials either.

    Perhaps the commercial television networks should place all of their commercials at 3 am, when the majority of us are asleep, to inconveniencing us, rather than using carefully placed advertisements as part of an overall strategy to achieve maximum results.

    The very fact that you are on this forum is testament to the strategic marketing of PropertyInvesting.com

    I’m not trying to be smart, just making the point that property investing is a business and is not just about buying houses.

    Those who realise this and take it to the next level are the only ones that will become financially independant or very very wealthy.

    All the best…aussie

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    What an unusual post….well done and good for a bit of fun.

    Many would be frightened off by the purpose of the signature on the paper but hey, we sign things every day so the opportunity to forge a signature exists anyway.

    Electronic signatures (PINs etc) are more of a concern for fraud these days.

    It appears from some of the posts above that many people put pride before profits.

    I say…..show me the money baby and you can have my monogram!!!!

    And like Wylie says, can we do it more than once?

    All the best…aussie

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    My two bobs for what it is worth….

    I was left in a bit of a pickle with my (now ex) Australian broker. I needed finance and very quickly. I was referred to Wizard Homeloans in Hamilton NZ. I appraised him of my situation and with some urgency and creative accounting he had approval for $650K in just four working days. They will also go as high as 90% LVR.

    Anyone who wants a contact for the above, pls PM me and I will pass on the details. I don’t have them with me at the moment.

    All the best…aussie

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    I think that getting too creative with ‘subject to’ clauses can run the risk of the agent and vendor not taking you or your offer seriously and making you look as though you have no real commitment to buying. If you are building a relationship with an agent, this can be a relationship killer and good agents are hard to find. I believe that there is a difference between ‘creative’ clauses and ‘water tight’ clauses.

    What kind of things will make you pull out of the deal?

    I guess no finance approval and a clause that I use is “at the purchasers financial institution/s of choice by XX date’.

    Building condition – ‘subject to a builders report to the purchaser’s satisfaction’.

    Code violations – ‘subject to no council code violations’.

    I think that these are quite common and legitimate clauses and give you outs and protection as needed. If you are only wanting to sign and then pull out because you can, then why sign in the first place? You would have hopefully conducted some research before signing on the dotted line.

    Also, and please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong as I haven’t bought, sold or made an offer on a house in Victoria for some time, but isn’t there a law that states if you take a contract to a solicitor prior to the end of the cooling off period, then it voids the cooling off period. Once again, I may be wrong but this may have some affect on the ‘subject to solicitor’s satisfaction’ clause. I guess you can always put on an expiry date and not take the contract to the solicitor until after the cooling off period.

    All the best…aussie

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    Hi Matt

    Like Millionaire, I also choose to rent for the same reasons. I am actually paying about $50 pw under market rent for this place.

    It gives me flexibility, less debt servicing and DSR impact and with my current place (have been here for 8 years) I am paying a song as the landlord has only given me a total of $15 pw rent rise for the entire duration of occupancy. In return I always pay on time and keep the place spotless.

    My goal is to eventually pay cash for my own place using funds from investments.

    Good luck in deciding which option suits you best.

    All the best…aussie

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    It would be interesting to know if the RESULTS forum has much of an impact on the general forum. I know when I click to look at the recent topics many have been blocked.

    All the best…aussie

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    Hi Matt

    I’m sure that when you start at LJ Hooker, you will be in contact and building relationships with many investors and developers alike.

    If you build and nurture those relationships you should learn a lot from those people and most importantly build some good rapport.

    In good time, when you are doing deals together and they see that you are genuine and interested in what they are doing, I’m sure that they will give you some insights and tips and perhaps even offer to take you on and mentor you.

    In regards to Simon’s post, you will then be in a position to bring excellent deals to the table in return for their assistance.

    I hope it all works out as I’m sure it will because you be in an excellent postion at Hookers.

    All the best…aussie

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    The Christmas/New Year period should be a wake-up call for us all.

    We live in one of the most fire-prone areas of the world and should not become complacent.

    Major fires in four states, several houses and numerous outbuildings lost and major stock losses in NSW and Victoria. Even in WA, where the weather patterns have been reported as unusual on this thread, had it’s share of fires over the break.

    In Victoria the prediction is for higher than average temperatures (hottest December and NYE on record) and coupled with the significant fuel growth, we have a recipe for disaster.

    It is never too late to prepare, especially people with rural properties, on the urban/rural interface and those backing on to parklands and reserves.

    Have a safe summer.

    All the best…aussie

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