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  • Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Investorarm wrote:
    Hi people, i need some help regarding my development site that i have purchased the site is d/a approved for 44units.

    I have got the site with no finance it's owned outright in the sydney area. i want to start building it, regarding getting a building loan which is the bank has the best deal and also…how much $ do i have to contribute to the building cost? can any bank give me 100% funding since i have it all paid out the block of land? thanks

    The maximum you will be able to borrow is 80% of costs excl GST (Include land value in this calculation). You should be able to get a GST overdraft also from most lenders.

    If you haven't completed a project like this previously you will have to involve somebody who has, at least as a project manager but probably somebody with equity in the project. If you are in this position my recomendation would be do use a builder who will put equity into the project.

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    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Hi Sparky's, why don't you keep the house but turn it into an IP, intead of selling it. There are a couple of advantages, firstly you can keep the CGT exemption for up to 6 years and you won't have to pay all the various costs associated with selling it and then buying the new IP. You are also obviously happy to live in it, so if things don't go well at least you know you can use it is a PPOR. I think if you analyse your situation properly, this will be by far the best course of action for you.

    Regards
    Alistair

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Thanks for the commendation DWolfe, I'm not sure who you are but i'm very flattered.

    Regards
    Alistair

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    SuperSleuth wrote:
    I have spent a lot of time investigating these property spruikers on behalf of the regulators so I have seen first hand what goes on behind closed doors. Many of these gurus are ethically and morally bankrupt and you can pick them because they do business based entirely on what they think is legal rather than what is moral or ethical.

    This is no different to financial advisers, who have to hide behind research reports and dealers product lists when recommending investments. This is not a defence of Carly Crutchfield, as I don't know much about her, but I do know quite a few "Gurus" and speak at some of their seminars on finance. I would say they act with far more freedom than most financial planners and are often more ethical.

    There is a great need for education on wealth accumulation, the formal education system has chosen not to fill this void, the financial planning industry does not do it well enough and has too may restrictions placed on it anyway. In this environment there was always going to be people step into the void. It will never be possible to regulate them out, and it wouldn't be a good thing to try. Regulation really just provides a framework within which people can be safely ripped off eg nobody from Storm Financial is in jail.

    Whether Carly or others offer good value is open to debte, but there are very few Guru's who teach information that is not of some use.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    A very small percentage of brokers are properly equiped to service investor clients. If you find a good one, wherever they are, i suggest you use them. There is a mindset amongst most people that brokers will come and visit you in your home and hold your hand through the loan process, but the simple fact is that those brokers who can effectively service investors generally are so busy that you have buckly's of them coming to see you, whether they are local or not, so it really shouldn't and doesn't matter where they are.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Banks get their money from basically four sources:

    1. Long term Wholesale Funding
    2. Short term wholesale funding
    3. Deposits
    4. Securitisation

    Securitisation is gone for all intents and purposes. Deposits are self explanitory. Wholeale funding comes from other financial institutions both domestically and internationally. Prior to the financial crisis the average cost of wholesale funds on LIBOR (in the UK) was something like 0.05%, this jumpred to about 1.5% directly after Lehman Brothers collapsed, and is currently something like 0.6%. The average time period is something like 3 years, so there is money rolling off very low margins into much higher margins every month, the banks are also being asked to fund a higher percentage of their balance sheet with longer term funding so that they are not as subject to short term occurances in future, they have to pay higher margins as the term gets longer. I hope this is reasonably clear.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Well stated Richard. If you reduce the role of the broker to simply processing a loan you are no better or worse off than doing things yourself. If you want a comparison of products it is easier to use a broker and won't cost you anything. If you want advice on how to structure your loans effectively and what types of property and startegies are most appropriate to you from a financing point of view, then you not only need to use a broker, you need to use one who has specific expertise and experience in property investing and the various niche areas that fit withing it, such as vendor finace, development, commercial property SMSF lending etc. 

      

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    The website is http://www.resultsmentoring.com/ . Brendan and Simon who run the program are great guys, very knowledgable and the course they run has been exceptionally well designed.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    As I stated, I don't know anything about the company or what they are doing, and i subsequently don't have an opinion on them. I just wanted to state for the record that I am not the Alistair that works there. I did this because if people search this forum they will come up with multiple posts by me talking about US property and i don't want to be associated with this company.

    Good luck with your investments, I hope they are doing the right thing by you and you do very well. 

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    RickH wrote:
    Hi Aussie Fly,

    I agree with your previous post. The person you are dealing with needs to be knowledgable about the product. At the end of the day he is more or less a saleman selling a service. I am dealing with Alistair and Tony who both have full understanding of the service and market in the US. It looks to me like you got the new boy or maybe the weekend cleaner by mistake. I would email myusaproperty with your concerns. Any of my concerns have resulted in a prompt call and or email with a satisfactory answer.
    I have been happy to talk about their service with friends and family who may considering doing this as well.

    I hope you resolve your situation and get the results you want.

    As I have commented on the topic of investment in the US in the past on this forum, I want to make it clear that I am not the "Alistair" that works for myUSA Property. I have no involvement with them, nor do i have any opinions on them. I am however, very sceptical of most of these companies, having seen a lot of people lose a lot of money in Buffalo a few years ago, particulalry as every second person investing in the US seems to be investing in Detroit, which does not seem to be all that disimiler to Buffalo in terms of the fundementals driving property values there.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Branov Design are good, you can find them on Google.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    You should defiantely have a town planner as part of your team, but probably more important when choosing a block is a achitect/draftsperson, as you need someone who can conceptualise what they can get onto a given space. The role of the planner is to work with the designer to get their design through Council/VCAT. In short you need both, but at the acquisition stage probably a designer is more important, as you only need a rudimentry knowledge of town planning to make a decision as to what is possible, turning possibility into reality is sometimes a lot more complex and at that stage you should certainly have a consultant planner working for you.

    I'm happy to give you a referral to a town planner if you like, but i caveat the recommendation by disclosing that he is my father and I part own the business. Frank Perry http://www.town-planning.com.au.

     

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Hi Joe,

    You are unlikely to get a town planner to help you select a block, its not their job. It's pointless anyway, unless you have a design ready to show them. If you want everything done for you you really should get yourself a buyers agent.

    Regards
    Alistair

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Hi, I do some work with Cashflow Capital and know the people there well. They act as both buyers agents and also have some exclusive stock from developers. They are unlikely to tell you where the cash flow properties are unless you are a paying client, and even then I think you will find they will be able to locate superior deals in those areas than you are able to because the local agents do very well from the custom they receive from the company.

    I hope this helps, I suggest you call Spiro the owner if you want to know more, he doesn't mind a chat.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    novusprimo wrote:
    Update on Planning Permit:

    We got the planning permit but no stamped plans because the permit has several conditions. This means that the floors plans should be modified according to the conditions before council endorses and stamps it. This also means we need to pay the draftsman to do the modifications. This is surely another obstacle again putting us off for several weeks.

    At the moment I feel disappointed with the townplanner we hired to do the applications for us. I am not sure if I am entitled to feel this way towards them. I mean it is their job to have anticipated that there would be conditions to the planning permit. That's why we paid for a professional to do the application in our behalf. They would have asked council if there would be any conditions to plans if they were to issue the planning permit. Or is this just a revenue-raising scheme. I don't want to jump to conclusions by at the moment i feel the townplanner let us down and we are paying for it dearly.

    I very much doubt that your planner is at fault, councils frequently place conditions on permits and you never know what you are going to get until the decision is made. This is the nature of the process. You can always appeal the conditions in VCAT if you don't like them.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Banker wrote:
    I have no problems with kickbacks to clients. It's better than putting an ad in the paper – better to have the money in the clients pocket than James Packer or Rupert Murdochs pockets… I would like to see commissions to any other parties banned. As soon as your broker pays your real estate a commission you need to wonder; are they looking after their client; or helping the agent secure a sale. Brokers need to have their clients best interest at heart. A financial interest to referrer represents a conflict of interest ( kick back to the client does not). When you talk about aggregators disliking refund style brokers; I bet you half their brokers are splitting commissions with accountants and agents:- in many cases not disclosing this to the client… Banker

    Any referal payments have to be declared to the client in writing under the new credit licensing regime. 

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Success with this sort of strategy largely relies on you knowing more than the owner as to what you can do with the property. That is you need to have a rudimentry understanding of town planning and access to an authority in the area. I have watched Mark Roltan speak, and he is a very good presenter, but some of the things I have heard him claim to do were simply not possible eg build a car park shops and offices on resedntially zoned land, these are illegal uses in that zoning. This gives me some cause to be sceptical, but it is good that someone is educating people about options, as it is a good strategy and one commonly used by big developers.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Hi KindofNew,

    The comments by Banker are true in terms of dealing with Banks. However, depending on the geographic location you may be able to do this outside of the banking sector. There are a number of mortgage funds around the country that specialise in smaller developments such as yours and will provide you with significantly more money and will almost definately have a lower presale requirement than any bank. As an example, if this is in Victoria you would almost definately get 70% of end value (there would be a % of costs limit also, but you would more likely be restricted by the end value figure) with 2 or 3 presales.

    With regard to your query about the valuation. For a contruction loan the lender will ask their valuer for a "Project Related Site Valuation", this is worked out by starting with the end value, deducting the expected costs, interest and a development margin. If it is a good project, this will give you a figure that is substantially higher than your purchase price and you should be able to use this uplift as additional equity. On the numbers you have posted there wouldn't be a great increase, but as you have discounted your expected price by 10% there may be something there, do the numbers yourself using approx $100K as interest cap and a 17.5% margin, if your build costs don't include a contingency amount ad 7% to it.

    I can tell you categorically that if this development is in Victoria you will be able to get a a very high level of finance . If it is elseewhere it will be harder, particulalry if it is not in a Capital city.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    Chris Lang is the most well known commercial buyers agent, he has spoken at some of Syeve's events. Just google his name and you will get contact details.

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    eloi wrote:

    Aperry what factors are you speaking off. If its the fact that real estate experts keep talking about an undersupply in australia. Well in case you and all the other sheep dont realise, that is all propaganda to keep them in a job. In 2006 and 2007 they where saying the same thing in america and in uk. They where saying they have an undersupply of housing and need to double the amount of houses being built just to keep up with population growth, now they have an oversupply, how does that happen. its all propaganda to keep real estate people in jobs. if we have such an under supply then why is there around 10k properties in south east queensland vacant and unable to be sold. why is it the same in western australia and in outer sydney. we actually have an oversupply of housing and the price to earning ratio is way over the trend so tell me who is going to be buying houses if they can not afford  to pay it. Come on guys stop being sheep and following the blind sheppard cause he will just guide you over the cliff.  The only reasons prices didnt come down in 2008 like it was predicted wasnt the first home buyers grant but the introduction of the new laws governing international investors buying in australia. They came in and bought at any price, but now the government has cracked down on that and changed the laws again so there is noone left to buy.. i think 20% drop within 1-2 years then stagnate for 5-10 years until earnings to price come into trend.

    I think I explained myself pretty clearly in my previous post. The fact that you are prepared to make a call on what will happen to prices over a 10 year period show that you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about, professional economists generally can't get 12 month predictions correct, what chance do you have? The fact is that prices are just as likely to rise 20% ove the next two years as they are to fall by that amount. 

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