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There is higher quality data out there! The main housing index providers all seem to do a very decent job in my experience.
Why medians are used so extensively is perhaps related to price and habit more than anything else, I hardly pay any attention to them at all.
The extra 50k makes a lot of difference with the budget, 200 v 250k, main road will bring the price down, there are 405m blocks in that price range in decent locations <12k CBD.
Cheapest way to get the land is to get is as part of a subdivision or house shift, not the easiest way though.
A Mitchell wrote:I am looking at a property in Alexandra Hills, east of Brisbane (not affected by floods). It is a 4 bed, 2 bath home, the median for that area is around $425k and this is well under and in need of some small cosmetic changes. I would like feedback as to the suburb itself. It lies between Cleveland and Capalaba but doesnt seem to have seen the growth that these two areas have. Its about 35 min to the city (driving) any comments welcomed ThanksHow did your property research turn out?
Jamie M wrote:Go Canberra!Andrew, what are you thoughts on the Brisbane market in 2011? I'm thinking about finally making the plunge into Logan – I've been watching the market for the last 18 months and it has been stagnant (if not declining a little as per your graph).
Cheers
Jamie
Logan has been under pressure, the yields are really starting to push up in that region mostly from decreasing prices rather than increasing rents. Very generally closer into the Brisbane CBD has held up much better than areas like Logan.
My thoughts are that predicting the future is very difficult, much better to have an investing strategy and goals and work towards them systematically.
Having said that I have seen genuine distressed sales increase over the last six months and I would expect if you have the patience you can pick yourself up some bargains in 2011
I would also expect WA and QLD (including Perth and Brisbane) to be out performers over the next few years on a national scale as well.
Intrigue wrote:I am always perplexed as to why people consider brisbane represents the QLD property market. QLD is a big state. Seems a little like saying that the Canberra market represents the Australian Property Market because it is our capital city.Good point! I should have said the resource state 'capitals' have underperformed. As we know there are markets within markets on a city level (and smaller) and definitely on a state level.
Domain suburb profile for Alexandra Hills
Wikipedia on Alexandra HillsGetting feedback for a suburb a good resource is talking to specialist property managers, the more people you talk to the better cross referencing you can do, nothing beats feet on the ground research though, you can even check how wet your feet are getting which is an important consideration when buying property at the moment.
Best to do as much research into the agent as you can as not all will add value to their clients, an interesting case study of just such a thing. http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67469
I believe a good BA is a valuable addition to any investing team, understandable that I might have that view however!
Paul Keating said something along the lines of 'Always back self interest'.
Pays to know where everyone's vested interest lies and how they will be compensated I believe.
Be aware of the marketing model that gets the rights to housing stock then tries to push that stock onto investors while saying they are independent investor helpers, all done for numbers that should make them blush (25-40k in a few cases I'm aware of). I much prefer the model that finds the investors needs first of all and then goes out and matches a property (selected from the entire market!) where the helper is continually on the ground and an expert in that specific location and also has a transparent fee structure.
I have a vested interest also. As Ronald Reagan said (to continue the quoting theme) "Trust but verify!"
Domain have free suburb level information. http://www.domain.com.au/public/apm/suburbprofile/default.aspx?mode=research
MyRP are doing a better job all the time with what's available for free, though they are looking for you to buy products.
http://www.myrp.com.au/General overview of Brisbane suburbs
http://www.ourbrisbane.com/suburbs/brisbane-suburbs-a-to-zA lot of free quality government data such as the ABS site
http://www.abs.gov.au/A second vote for the group Martha mentioned.
I attend every month and the speakers and networking are excellent, all for $20 and you get tim-tams and coffee as well, hard to beat!
As well as being a long time forum member I'm also named Andrew Allen and run a Brisbane buyers agency (Buying only in greater Brisbane).
We have no connection whatsoever with the companies mentioned in this thread!
How did the property search go cellphone? It's been a few months now since this thread started.
Be careful of vested interested, most of the posters in this thread have one including myself, some choose to hide it however!
If you are still interested in yield data for residential property by suburb then send me a message and I can provide some relatively recent info.
I follow this website for daily info on expectations for the next move from the RBA for their cash rate.
http://www.asx.com.au/sfe/targetratetracker.htm
Rate expectations several years out can be seen and are as good a predictor as any in my opinion, of course the future is not set in stone and big surprises do happen! We all like to think we are better than average drivers and better than average speculators and have an advantage over the markets in terms of predicting the future
Planning on holding long term it's more important to consider the area you are buying in, for a buy reno and quick sell the location is not so important in my opinion as it's very much about the numbers and not what infrastructure will be built there 5 years from now.
I look for 20%+ increase in values for a renovation project at the cheaper price ranges as a decent minimum benchmark; just looking for cosmetic reno's as well, avoiding structural issues and value takers like roof, gutter, stumping etc.
Rough figures for eg:
Buy for 300k
Close costs @ 5% = 15k
Cosmetic reno @ 20k
Total costs: 335k
Revalue at 360k+ (300k +20%)Time for turn around an issue, units/apartments potentially much faster!
A few questions to add to the inventory.
* Are you aware of any issues with this property? Agents have a legal responsibility now to disclose in QLD. Try and get a copy of any building report on the property.
Regarding price… And buying well is very important!
Be friendly and listen closely, praise the agent's knowledge and just basically appear like an enthusiastic non threatening buyer.
A few ideas for probing for useful information, almost always you can gain significant concessions just by asking till you get what you want. (Try not to be annoying)
* What is the seller negotiable on?
* Will they consider longer settlement/lower price?And a personal favourite…
* My budget is X$, would I be wasting both of our time by looking at this property? (X$ being less than you are prepared to pay and much less than what the property is listed for!), repeat question with different figures for X$ and different wording in future conversations
On a serious note a reasonable rule of thumb for a maximum fee for a buyers agent should be around the 2.2% of purchase price level in my opinion, there is quite a bit of difference in fee structures out there however. Do your research as in everything involved with spending your own hard earned money!
For 45k I would look at what potential sellers eat for breakfast lunch and dinner and what brand of tea they drink! Even throw in preferred newspaper and favourite sporting team
I have a friend who got a commission almost that big in a similar industry recently, that was for a property in the 5M+ price range however where that sort of fee begins to make a little bit of sense.
Working without decent breaks at anything would likely prove draining. I think a key is knowing when to place limits on your work time and have the systems in place to allow yourself to take relaxing holidays now and then.
Interesting Greg, thanks for sharing. One advantage for spreading your investments out over different states is to lower your land tax which becomes an issue when you start to get a few properties in your portfolio.
Seems to be a very popular price range between 400k and 500k for investors looking to buy in Brisbane at the moment, it's been a strong start to 2010 in this bracket <10k from the CBD.
Hi Jo,
in Brisbane I would strongly suggest you attend at least one monthly BIG meeting
First night is free (now normally 'free' can mean watch out for property sharks… but not this time!) and you get to listen to a speaker present on their area of expertise and network with other property investors, free coffee and biscuits as well. As a potential renovator I would imagine this months speaker would be a great source of help.
It's a not for profit group run by volunteers and usually they get excellent speakers (Matusik, Spann, Somers etc etc), in five years of attending I can't think of one evening I haven't learnt a few new things from.
Regards,
Andrew