Forum Replies Created
What colour besides white shades is good to paint the outside walls with?
Thanks for the excellent responses guys.
One more thing I forgot to ask: I would need to put a carport within the front setback of the building, as this is the only way I would be able to comply with the Council's parking controls.
Where woul you guys put a carport if you had to put one in?
Thanks guys
Point taken.
Wow thankyou guys, didn't realise that.
What kind of troubles are you aware of with larger builders Ashley?
And does anyone know of any good builders who build in Western Sydney or Southwest Sydney?
Cheers
I know granny flats are more expensive per square metre, due to their small size.
But for a normal single storey 4 bedroom house, I've been told to expect 800-900/sqm from BBP….
$800 – $900 per square metre is what I've been told to expect from http://www.betterbuildingprices.com.au/ for a single storey house.
Has anyone had any experience with this company?
mattnz wrote:Sounds realistic. I am building two townhouses on the back of an existing house in Gladstone. Total build cost around $600k, each will rent for $1,000 per week in the current market, for around 16% yield plus depreciation benefits of a new buildthat's excellent Matt!!!!
when will you sell them?
Is it fairly common for yields on newly constructed dwellings to be quite high (I mean rental income divided by construction cost, not land value) ?
I'm finding with some of my calculations that I could build a single storey dwelling for less than $200,000 (at the back of an existing dwelling) and achieve rental in some areas of $400 per week… Am I dreaming?
Matt,
Do many property developers develop to just hold for yield?
vet80 wrote:Hi there, Yes I think this is a really good area to invest in. I have been living in Camden for the last 4 years and it is undergoing tremendous growth. I have bought a townhouse in Camden and am now looking to purchase in the 2570 postcode. I think that there is great potential for capital gains. How are you going with your research?Going well with research. Getting a feel for market prices and rent prices.
Yes the area is growing, but what worries me is all the new supply of dwellings coming online with heaps of subdivisions happening.
hector1534 wrote:alfrescodining wrote:Simon C wrote:If the house on the land you have subdivided has a tenant, and then you reduce the size of the land through subdivision, is it normal for a lower weekly rent to be negotiated? And how would this happen?I had a subdivision in Adelaide, and I expected the tenants to ask for discount as they just lost their back yards, to my surprise, both of them were just happy backyard is gone, as they no longer need to mow the lawn
Cool I didn't think of it like that.
xdrew wrote:I think the best way to make money from development still remains to over-estimate your market. In other words .. produce a product that sits in the right position .. provides the right criteria PLUS a bit more … at a margin that remains competitive.Items like this sell well and sell quickly. A dud position or improper product can have your wait times increased anything up to 200% over the right items.
This is where the market knowledge of your area remains paramount. When purchasing land .. make sure its enough for your idea, and you leave yourself room in your budget for cost overrun.
Personally I think 200k is not enough for anything more than purchasing a house and building a unit (or more) at the back. Its a good starting figure and great deposit .. but you remain limited on what you really can do.
With that sort of budget and 1000k net income .. i'd stick to renovating older style places purchased under market value. Its a good starting position and will get you familiar with market demands. Do a couple of those with a decent margin and you'll have a real bank to work with .. allowing you to achieve a lot more.
Remember with development .. your two enemies are holding costs .. and loan repayments. If you create something and get a 'close enough' value … dont be afraid to take it. Good money is better than fighting holding costs and having not enough money.
Also see if you can build a bank / lending institution trust relationship before heading to the big stuff. The more reliable you are as a consistant repaying customer .. the more flexible the financial institutions are with their lending capabilities for you.
Thanks Xdrew – great advice. I will definitely stick to something small first off, and I'm trying to save a bigger deposit than $200k.
I have a question. When you mentioned holding costs, what do you have in mind besides loan repayments, opportunity cost, and council rates?
Cheers
Simon C wrote:Below are some thought I have. I have been investing in property for 20 years on any off and have used buy & hold. CF+, renovations to add more value than costs, completed a remote and locla renovations, relocated a house and completed a subdivision. Next I'd like to do a duplex or multi dwellgn site where I can make enought profit to retain one for income.My first developement was a hands on relocatable house where we purchased the land, relocated the home and rennovated. It was something I always wanted to do, and it was fruitful in adding equity and we still hold that house three years later and value can still be added in the desiign in the right market in the future.
Where I am at now is delveloping to add value without relying on the market to rise. I think that works in any market. I purchased a house sometime ago on a corner block where the rear yard had a street frontage. After my due dilligence, among other things I knew it could be subdivided. We held the place for five years and have only just finsihed the subdivision only having started that last year.
To give you an idea the value of the house on the larger block was approx 320k, The cost of the subdivsion was $40k. I choose to outsource the project management as it was the first one I have done, and to be honest that was about 20% of the costs, and meant I completed it much quicker then me doing all the liaising as I also work full time in a busy corporate environment.
The block is currently on the market for 140k and the house on the reduced block is now worth approx 270k. I am looking to onsell the block to a developer who should be able to get at least a15-20% return. So roughly its a 50k equity gain, but I should realise 100k in cash, and based on discussion with my accountant, there is no CGT when we worked out the cost base. I run a trust structure so I could distribute the cash in a tax effective way if I needed to, so structure is something you must get advise on before you buy a block etc.
If I find the right market I could possible churn out a few of these scenarions where I buy something I could do similar to, perhaps get the subdivision done while reovating the house to be sold for a small gain to cover my subdivision costs. Then I could either sell the block, develop it, get a line of credit against it to do another deal while continuing to holding it if I thought it may increase if value in the short term. Depending on zoning and size I might even be able to build multiple dwellings.As you can see there are a few options.
Until you get a couple under your belt I would strongly advise doing something small and simple without risking too much capital.
Its more about learning when you start. My first foray was a 75k town house with a buy and hold strategy in the early 90's in another state, as when I lived in Sydney its was three times as much then and I did not feel comfortable with that exposure
Cheers
SimonThanks Simon. Its great to hear that there is a decent margin in subdivisions. This is the kind of thing I am thinking of doing as I don't have enough money to build townhouses yet.
I have a question for you. If the house on the land you have subdivided has a tenant, and then you reduce the size of the land through subdivision, is it normal for a lower weekly rent to be negotiated? And how would this happen?
Can anyone else provide some information about the first ever development they did, what it was, how it went, what kind of margins were involved, etc?
Thanks.
Hi Matt
I live in Sydney (southwest) and I'd like to invest around here as the land is cheap.
I'll send you a message.