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    Remember also, we are still very much in a Buyers Market which means YOU have the upper hand. Properties are NOT selling like they were pre-GFC so Vendors and their Real Estate Agents can't afford to 'burn' potential buyers.

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    Hi again sc541.
    Is the Agent lying? It's only lip service and could be a lie – remember this: a Real Estate Agent is selling for the Vendor to get the maximum price for their Vendor because he/she looks good but, more importantly to the Agent, he/she gets paid more. My experience is, if you haven't heard it or had in writing from the Vendor(s), consider the Agent to be telling 'porky pies'.
    If you say 'this is my one and only offer' it closes no doors. You are now playing the subtle role of negotiation. However, it can make you lose credibility if you come back too fast with a higher offer. You need to make your offer and give it to the Agent with the "if your Vendor doesn't accept this offer I really don't care as there are no shortage of other properties I can purchase for around the same money and features. In other words, give the Real Estate Agent the impression if he/she burns you as a Buyer, he/she won't get you back.

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    Another nice technique CYC!
    Do you notice another common denominator with the responses to your question SC541 – to hell with etiquette. If you want to invest into property to make money, you can still be an honest & honorable person but you don't have to be nice in relation to the amount you offer. If a Vendor needs to sell (or even must sell) then your low offer may actually be helpful to them. I know of investors who'll go and make offers at least 20% under the minimum asking price and do that on 10, 20, 30 + properties in one weekend. If just one Vendor says yes then ………… you can work it out!

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    Hi again Intrigue.
    I am unaware of the NCCP Act having any bearing on Vendor Finance or Option Agreements as they are usually a personal contractual arrangement between Vendor or Grantor and the Purchaser or Grantee. I have provided you a comlaw link if you wish to have a look at the Act yourself.

    http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Series/C2009A00134
    I hope this has been of some help to you?

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    Hi Northwind.
    Both guys are right and don't you dare let that American Real Estate Agent gain control over your banking account. His role is to COLLECT the rent and then DEPOSIT it into YOUR account – not one with his name on it!
    PLEASE NOTE: I have 4 Aussie friends and colleague's of mine who help fellow Aussie's set up all the necessary legalities in the US and they live there with offices in Texas and Florida as well as Brisbane and Melbourne. Feel free to drop me an email and I'd be glad to see if they can help give you a some Aussie eyes on the ground for you.

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    If you read enough books on selling you will find one of the biggest motivators to get people to take notice or buy is what is called the 'take away technique or close'. Put an offer in at a level YOU think is fair (and to hell with etiquette) and place a codicil on the written offer to the Vendor that the offer will only stand for 'x' number of days and then it's off the table. This kind of tactic as a purchaser through a private treaty sale can often be very powerful. Our company acting as Buyer's Agents use it all the time with great success for our clientele.
    I hope this has been of help to you?

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    Have a look at investing a small portion of your lump sum into the US for income earning potential. With the Aussie $ now at $1.05 to $1US and rental (in the right location) giving returns of 15%+, it's certainly worth a look. And if our dollar starts to weaken against the greenback over the next few years, and your US property(s) haven't had any capital growth you've still made capital growth. i.e. buy 1 US IP today at $50,000 AU. Over the next 5 years you get a return of 15% through rental income but now the Aussie dollars is 50c to $1US. You sell your $50,000 US property and after converting back into Aussie Dollars you have $100,000. Oversimplified I know but have a look. I can help you further if you require further info (at no cost) – just drop me a line.

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    Hi Intrigue.
    I actually draft Option Agreements (or Rent to Buy) for clients so, if you send me an email I'll send you alot more info than I could post here for you right now. But here's a taste:
    You can apply an Lease/Option to Buy contract into place for just about any residentail property.
    Over simplifying the process, the Vendor or a Buying Agent finds a Purchaser who agrees to buy the property at an agreed price in todays money at a date further down the track, i.e. H&L worth $500K. The Vendor agrees to sell to the purchaser the property in 5 years time for say $550K. The Vendor draws up 2 main docs – a contract to purchase and a lease agreement. So, for the next five years, the tenant agrees to pay an agreed amount for rent plus outgoings, and usually has a percentage of the rent taken off the final purchase the longer they rent the property. The purchaser also usually pays a deposit (consideration under contract law) of upwards of $10K – the more the better for the Vendor because it makes it more difficult for the Purchaser to just walk away. The deposit is always non-refundable.
    Option Agreements, if done legally correct and are drafted honorably between both the Vendor and Purchaser, can be very good. They allow the Vendor to have their mortgage commitments met by the rent and they will still walk away with a tidy lump sum at the end of the contract term – good for Vendors in financial strife. It allows a Purchaser to commence buying a home without the need of a traditional bank loan – this is also why most Option Agreements i've ever done are for 5 years – because if the Purchaser has a bad credit history, after 5 years they usually have a 'clean slate'. The Purchser's rent money is not dead money because a percentage of the rent is coming off the final purchase price at the end of the Option term. The only real big downside to the Purchaser is if they simply cannot get the home loan at the end to finalise the Option Agreement. If this happens, or the Purchaser defaults on the Option Contract, they lose the lot – ALL the money they paid in deposit and rent and the property itself! The downside for the Vendor in all this is, if the capital growth in the property is high then they are literally doing themselves out of potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Confused?

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    Thanks CYC! Way too much pessimism going on in this post. Remember the Y2K bug – the end of the financial world as we knew it. The reality – just a bunch of people who will take any opportunity to stand on a box and preach their doom & gloom.
    Do you know it takes approx 80 more muscles to smile than it does to frown…………mmmmm.

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    And, if you look at the historical drops or slumps over the last 100  or more years, there is always a 'double dip'. We've had our GFC, recovered somewhat, and now we go into the traditional 2nd dip down. Regardless, if your investment strategy is to buy & hold, then a drop like Melbourne has had is temporary and NOT necessarily the beginnings of an Australian housing crash. Just part of the ebb and flow of the investment sector – whether it be property, shares or pine plantations.

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    Hi Jamie.
    I didn't get the "our two fur children" bit until I got the May edition of API magazine today. They obviously didn't get their mother's looks! In all seriousness, I particularly love the paragraph, "Jamie says their confidence in their plans comes from all of the homework they've done and the advice they've sought from industry professionals". These words, more than most others, are the key to getting ahead no matter what one invests in. Again, my sincerest congrats!
    Kind regards,

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    Hi again Steve.
    You don't mention your income earning capability so it's impossible to calculate if you are able to service a loan of any kind. However, based on what information you have supplied, I would suggest if you are after a positive cash flow property that is going to cost you around $180K AND still provide you with some decent Capital Growth, you may have to consider investing either into a rural area OR consider a cheaper Capital City such as Adelaide or Hobart (the 2 cheapest). With the limited info you have supplied, again, it will prove difficult for anyone to advise you accurately without knowing more about YOUR goals and your specific financial circumstances outside of those already supplied.
    Should you have no luck getting the answers you require from others in the forum, please feel free to drop me a line and I'd be happy to talk to you more.
    Kind regards,

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    Hi again Eric.

    Perhaps look at this link as well. Here is a Conveyancer who'll do it for $220.

    http://www.lawyersconveyancing.com.au/auto_google_precon/auto_google_precon.asp

    Kind regards,

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    G'day Eric.
    Send me an email and i'll send you a PDF of a Section 32 template you can use! NO CHARGE TOO!

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    Go to a local real estate agent and let them know you're an interested purchaser of this particular property and ask if they could find out if the vendor is interested in selling – you're prepared to pay top dollar as it's ideal for your needs. Guess what happens? He/she will get onto RP Data or APM and look up the details or give their preferred Conveyancer a call to find out who the owner is. You see, the agent hopes he/she can list it and can get that info for you for free. Not exactly 'above board' but it can work. Otherwise, pay RP Data their fee and get a full report on the property including ownership from Lands Title.

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    Yeah (my head is down and I am now red faced), I am guilty as charged. I lit the match that started a crown bushfire the likes of which this forum may never see again. Sorry guys!
    Hey, what your guys thoughts on the sweat glands of the hybrid South American Yak?

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    LOL!!!! Oh come on guys! Now it's going to be that battle of who gets in the last knife, I mean word. It has been great reading but you guys could end up writing another book like Dianetics and then what has the world got? 2 more loopy religions that can't agree on anything. But it has been a hoot!

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    Boys, semantics! Now you're getting into is it a singular, feminine, second person, indicative being used to qualify a verb acting as either an adverb or possibly an adjective…….let's call it a draw hey? You both put forward great arguments for your respective positions but in the end: you too-may-tow, i say toe-mar-toe.

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    Hi again Forever Student.

    Let me take a wild guess at this. The company is called ACN Australia and the little grey headed Vice President guy you met had an American accent and his name was Eugene. How am I doing here? If some of this is right then you were shown the 21st century equivilant of a multi level marketing/pyramid selling scheme involving the use of telephone and internet capabilities. I looked into it about 2 years ago, went to one of their full of hype, pat-everyone-on-the-back, ra,ra meetings and was reminded of Herbalife and Amway. You can make up your own mind but it seemed to me that their top earners made their incomes on the blood,sweat and backs of all the plebs underneath them (their 'downline' as these mobs like to call it), just like all these other American based MLM businesses..

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    I could NOT have put that together better myself fword

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